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Re: Launch date 997 Turbo
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turbolite said:
According to the latest Auto Motor & Sport (renowned German car mag), the new turbo will be introduced Jan. 2006 featuring 490 HP and PDK (Porsche Double Clutch).
Sounds credible to me.
I wonder if the 997 GT3 will make it before that.
Cheers turbolite
490Hp is more than I was expecting from Porsche, according to the palid HP numbers shown on their latest 997 model.
There was 100 Hp difference between the stock 320Hp 3.6L Carrera to the Turbo. Now the difference is 135Hp from the 997S for the 997TT, forget about stock 997 because it will make a 165Hp dif.
If this news turns out to be true, this car will be a killer
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Will it be standard with PDK or with manual 6 Speed?
It plainly states that these will be the features. If Porsche is smart, they'll put it in as standard. The Turbo after all is a Gran Turismo, so the PDK optimaly combines cruising capabilities in automatic in London traffic as well as having big racetrack capabilities. Perfect combo.
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turbolite said:
According to the latest Auto Motor & Sport (renowned German car mag), the new turbo will be introduced Jan. 2006 featuring 490 HP and PDK (Porsche Double Clutch).
Sounds credible to me.
I wonder if the 997 GT3 will make it before that.
Cheers turbolite
490Hp is more than I was expecting from Porsche, according to the palid HP numbers shown on their latest 997 model.
There was 100 Hp difference between the stock 320Hp 3.6L Carrera to the Turbo. Now the difference is 135Hp from the 997S for the 997TT, forget about stock 997 because it will make a 165Hp dif.
If this news turns out to be true, this car will be a killer
J.Seven
I agree, but it better be. Noone will fork out 130'000 Euro if this car aint a total cracker! and even then just 20'000 at a good tuner would be bring a 996 TT up to the same performance levels... it's not the same, but I'll think about it...
Re: Launch date 997 Turbo
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turbolite said:Quote:
J.Seven said:Quote:
turbolite said:
According to the latest Auto Motor & Sport (renowned German car mag), the new turbo will be introduced Jan. 2006 featuring 490 HP and PDK (Porsche Double Clutch).
Sounds credible to me.
I wonder if the 997 GT3 will make it before that.
Cheers turbolite
490Hp is more than I was expecting from Porsche, according to the palid HP numbers shown on their latest 997 model.
There was 100 Hp difference between the stock 320Hp 3.6L Carrera to the Turbo. Now the difference is 135Hp from the 997S for the 997TT, forget about stock 997 because it will make a 165Hp dif.
If this news turns out to be true, this car will be a killer
J.Seven
I agree, but it better be. Noone will fork out 130'000 Euro if this car aint a total cracker! and even then just 20'000 at a good tuner would be bring a 996 TT up to the same performance levels... it's not the same, but I'll think about it...
If this car can't compete with the C6 Z06 it will be considered a failure. I hope it has more HP than the number states.
Re: Launch date 997 Turbo
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turbolite said:
According to the latest Auto Motor & Sport (renowned German car mag), the new turbo will be introduced Jan. 2006 featuring 490 HP and PDK (Porsche Double Clutch).
Sounds credible to me.
I wonder if the 997 GT3 will make it before that.
Cheers turbolite
my p dealer confirmed exactlet what stated above
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Walter Rorhl said in so many words and gestures in the current Excellence Magazine that the 997 Turbo will be a monster , more " uber" than the 996 Turbo ever was . He is turning all his attention right now to it's chassis development.
490 HP, E-diff, and the superior DSG/PDK-like sequentual manual system - yum - I'm number two at my dealership and can't wait !
490 HP, E-diff, and the superior DSG/PDK-like sequentual manual system - yum - I'm number two at my dealership and can't wait !
Feb 3, 2005 5:56:06 PM
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Re: Launch date 997 Turbo
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turbolite said:
According to the latest Auto Motor & Sport (renowned German car mag), the new turbo will be introduced Jan. 2006 featuring 490 HP and PDK (Porsche Double Clutch).
Sounds credible to me.
I wonder if the 997 GT3 will make it before that.
Cheers turbolite
my p dealer confirmed exactlet what stated above
Your P-dealer probably read that same magazine...
Feb 3, 2005 8:56:41 PM
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Re: Launch date 997 Turbo
All quite exciting! I love my 2001TT but admit to being enthralled by the prospect of a new model. A question that I know has no clear answer--why would Porsche stop at 490 HP when 10 more would hit the 500HP mark? I know the difference in performance would be miniscule, but the marketing benefits seem to be overwhelming.
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All quite exciting! I love my 2001TT but admit to being enthralled by the prospect of a new model. A question that I know has no clear answer--why would Porsche stop at 490 HP when 10 more would hit the 500HP mark? I know the difference in performance would be miniscule, but the marketing benefits seem to be overwhelming.
Why did Ferrari stop at 490 hp for the F430 ? Marketing . So they can breech the " 5" threshold in two tears with the CS version . I'm afraid PAG will once again charge $17K for an additional 30 hp for it's X50 version .
Feb 4, 2005 8:47:46 AM
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Re: Launch date 997 Turbo
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anyone know when the 997 GT3 will be coming out and what are the specs on it going to be??? now thats a car to be looking foward to..
as we now have the date for the TT fixed it should be easier to pinpoint the gt3 launch , shouldn't it? is there any timing expert like RC online who could help us with this? what about fall this year at IAA here in Frankfurt??that would be my bet.
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Feb 5, 2005 3:58:00 AM
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Re: Launch date 997 Turbo
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... and even then just 20'000 at a good tuner would be bring a 996 TT up to the same performance levels...
The Turbo with a Europipe Stage 2 Loud exhaust and the Evolution Motorsports Stage 2 ECU upgrade has ~510 horsepower and ~520 lb-ft of torque...all for $7,500 U.S.
More power than the 997 Turbo, and a much better looking interior.
Feb 5, 2005 10:36:53 AM
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Re: Launch date 997 Turbo
The 997TT will be to the 996TT what the 997C2S is to the 996C2, or even more. Improved suspensions, improved chasis, improved engine, new PDK gearbox, new AWD system with "active" diferentials, better build quality (specially interior), PCCB 2.0, etc. You can't just throw in a tunner upgrade for raw power and subjective interior design preferences to compare the two. The 996TT had to dance with the old F360 or old Z06, etc, the 997TT will play at another league to beat the new rivals such as the F430, rumored upgraded Gallardo, etc.
Feb 5, 2005 4:16:19 PM
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Re: Launch date 997 Turbo
Thats a good question Chris, and prices are so different here than in US that I wouldn't know what to answer. The 997GT3 should be midway between the 997 base carrera and the 997TT but who knows, and there is also the strong euro now as oposed to the 996 times, and Porsche hedging ending soon, so prices of later models may increase with rerspect to the 996 in US 
Feb 6, 2005 2:59:54 AM
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You can't just throw in a tunner upgrade for raw power and subjective interior design preferences to compare the two.
Sure I can. And I will pass on the 997 Turbo because it won't be substantially better in performance, if better at all, than my 996 Turbo. And since it will probably have essentially the "997" interior (which is bust with me), it wouldn't matter *how* well it performed...I wouldn't buy it.
As a Porsche consumer, performance and style are *exactly* what I use to decide what I buy.
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Re: Launch date 997 Turbo
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Sure I can, and I will pass on the 997 Turbo because it won't be substantially better than my 996 Turbo performance wise, and since it will probably have essentially the "997" interior (which is bust with me), it wouldn't matter *how* well it performed...I wouldn't buy it.
if the improvement from the 996 C2 to the 997 C2S is any indication... the 997 TT should be superior in all ways to the 996 version
styling (a subjective matter) aside.
Feb 6, 2005 3:38:02 AM
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You can't just throw in a tunner upgrade for raw power and subjective interior design preferences to compare the two.
Sure I can. And I will pass on the 997 Turbo because it won't be substantially better in performance, if better at all, than my 996 Turbo. And since it will probably have essentially the "997" interior (which is bust with me), it wouldn't matter *how* well it performed...I wouldn't buy it.
As a Porsche consumer, performance and style are *exactly* what I use to decide what I buy.
Well, fair enough, but I believe many will change their mind when it does comes out
squeazzing some HP out with a tunner product and maybe some aftermarket suspensions on a 996TT can hardly close the gap to what the 997TT is looking to be (new sophisticated AWD, re-touched chasis, new suspension setup, new transmission, modified engine by factory not tunner, etc.) You may have slightly tunned 996TT's that can be just as fast in a straight-line but thats about it. To give an example, without being even the Turbo, the -20mm 997S already beats the 996TT around Hockeheim according to, unconfirmed yet but soon, SportAuto tests.
The only problem I see is what the price of the 997TT is going to be, the gap between turning in a 996TT and getting a new 997TT may be significant. For some people not worth the change maybe, and thats a very fair point... but the 997TT is looking to be a whole new beast nevertheless.
The difference may be even greater than the 997S with the 996, becuase the Turbo seems like it will have a greater % power increase with its predecessor, the Turbo will have a new AWD system while the 997s/996C2 are RWD, and the Turbo will probably get the new PDK gearbox on top of all the chages common to a new model.
Wether its enough pay the $ for the jump from the 996TT to the 997TT, thats very personal and subjective like you say. But I can see the 997TT even more succesful than the 997S in doing that
Feb 6, 2005 12:45:48 PM
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I would agree with you Carlos, the change from 996 to 997 will be more dramatic turbowise than on the normal level. but then, as i stated, it better be, cause the money people will have to put on the table to upgrade from a 996tt will be substantial. guess a P dealer will pay me just 60' euro for my 00 TT, which means 80 missing... I better start saving!
and by the way I really hope the new TT will get other headlights; these round ones look plain stupid, they're simply too big. They would be a no go for me. I hope styling goes the carrera GT way. now that would be a serious incentive on top of all technical improvements to upgrade...
turbolite
and by the way I really hope the new TT will get other headlights; these round ones look plain stupid, they're simply too big. They would be a no go for me. I hope styling goes the carrera GT way. now that would be a serious incentive on top of all technical improvements to upgrade...
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Feb 6, 2005 6:22:48 PM
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Re: Launch date 997 Turbo
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...squeazzing some HP out with a tunner product and maybe some aftermarket suspensions on a 996TT can hardly close the gap to what the 997TT is looking to be (new sophisticated AWD, re-touched chasis, new suspension setup, new transmission, modified engine by factory not tunner, etc.) You may have slightly tunned 996TT's that can be just as fast in a straight-line but thats about it
Well, I personally don't consider a free flowing exhaust with 70mm tubes and 100 cell cats, and an upgraded ECU to be "squeezing" more power out of the engine. They are very straight forward modifications, and there is even greater depth to the engine. These upgrades are about as easy as they come. Porsche is essentially going to do the same thing with the 997 Turbo. My Turbo only has 510 hp and 520 lb-ft of torque...it's pretty quick, and I'll be eagerly awaiting a run with the 997 Turbo.
And the suspension is not some aftermarket system, it's X73. Have you seen any numbers at the Ring for a Turbo with X73? Probably not, since Porsche doesn't want the public to know how much faster it is...impacts sales of future (and current) models. I'll be eagerly awaiting a run in the mountains the against the 997 Turbo.
The 997 Turbo will no doubt have a very good suspension, but my guess it will come with a weight penality. Do you think the 997 Turbo will weigh more than or less than the 996 Turbo? Again, my guess is the 997 Turbo will weigh more. If it does then that's even more drag on the higher power and improved suspension.
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Re: Launch date 997 Turbo
Though the turbo engine has a lot of potential, increasing a full 100HP is squeazing HP out
The X73 is a GREAT suspension from what I hear, but so are the ones fitted in the GT3, yet the new -20mm 997S beat the MkI-GT3 (not the MKII) at Hockenheim, and its a Carrera with PSM, rear seats and all that. So if this X73 is great, imagine the 997TT's X73 equivalent.
I'm with you on the weight thing, I was dissapointed on the extra weight the 997 carrera gained, and I really really hope the don't increase it or even decrease it on the 997TT vs the 996TT because the Turbo is already on the chubby side for a 911, so its even more important in the Turbo. But given all the changes in the new Turbo who knows what the weight will be.
The X73 is a GREAT suspension from what I hear, but so are the ones fitted in the GT3, yet the new -20mm 997S beat the MkI-GT3 (not the MKII) at Hockenheim, and its a Carrera with PSM, rear seats and all that. So if this X73 is great, imagine the 997TT's X73 equivalent.
I'm with you on the weight thing, I was dissapointed on the extra weight the 997 carrera gained, and I really really hope the don't increase it or even decrease it on the 997TT vs the 996TT because the Turbo is already on the chubby side for a 911, so its even more important in the Turbo. But given all the changes in the new Turbo who knows what the weight will be.
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Re: Launch date 997 Turbo
Many 996TT's are not stock--that's part of the fun. And many 997 TTs won't be stock either. Purchasing a new 997TT will be hard to resist, as chipmakers and other tuners do their thing. My 2001 TT is not stock (about 580 FWHP) but I already now I won't be resisting the new version. I'm addicted to new turbos--it's that simple... 
Re: Launch date 997 Turbo
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Will it be standard with PDK or with manual 6 Speed?
It plainly states that these will be the features. If Porsche is smart, they'll put it in as standard. The Turbo after all is a Gran Turismo, so the PDK optimaly combines cruising capabilities in automatic in London traffic as well as having big racetrack capabilities. Perfect combo.
turbolite
Unfortunately they will never have as standard, what we mugs in London will pay more than anyone else on the globe as an extra!
Feb 6, 2005 9:46:53 PM
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Re: Launch date 997 Turbo
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Though the turbo engine has a lot of potential, increasing a full 100HP is squeazing HP out
Evolution Motorsports GT900P 996 Turbo has 830 horsepower *at the rear wheels*...that's well over 900 hp at the flywheel. Now *that's* squeazing horsepower out. So how does my 100 hp look now? Pretty small...pretty simple...and minor league versus what's available.
And again, where are the X73 track times? Why won't Porsche publish their times? My guess it's because an X50 Turbo with X73 would be under 7:50 at the Ring. If so, it's easy to see why that wouldn't float with their marketing department...
Feb 7, 2005 5:33:54 PM
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Re: Launch date 997 Turbo
dock, i completely agree with you regarding the N-times for a 996TT w/X50 & X73 being extremely difficult to improve upon. seems to me that very few "stock/factory equipped" cars could be as effective on the track and in real-world daily driving conditions. as such, i'm anxiously awaiting the 997TT, not for purchase, but simply to help me afford an X50 996TT.
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