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16.01.2022 07:16:06
I haven’t taken the time to comment on this as my feeling are very mixed and I needed the time to try and sort through them.
I recall my excitement back in January 2013 when Porsche rolled out the 919. How exciting and interesting it was to see just what Porsche had come up with to take on the likes of Audi and Toyota. Those feelings were all consuming.
I must admit that I was curious to see what the LMDh would/could look like, and I am always a little curious anytime Porsche puts out a new product, especially if it is in the Motorsport arena.
In contrast, however, to 2013, my levels of excitant are magnitudes lower, and I needed to pinpoint the exact reasons.
Here they are:
There is a lot of talk/speculation that the Audi LMDh program has been scaled back (and it is now understood that it will have the same chassis and drivetrain as the Porsche). My suspicion is that this could indicate a possible Audi entry into F1 (engine supplier) in 2026 and that they would rather divert resources to that project in the future.
If, in fact, Audi is chosen by VAG to represent them in F1, leaving Porsche to be their representative in sportscar racing (Porsche’s natural home), Porsche must be careful that Audi does not become the “senior” sportscar brand within VAG (assuming F1 success).
The way Porsche can guard its dominant “VAG sportcars brand “ is to be very successful in winning races and championships. In order to this, it may have to put the “most profitable business model” formula on hold.
16.01.2022 11:42:04
Spyderidol:I haven’t taken the time to comment on this as my feeling are very mixed and I needed the time to try and sort through them.
I recall my excitement back in January 2013 when Porsche rolled out the 919. How exciting and interesting it was to see just what Porsche had come up with to take on the likes of Audi and Toyota. Those feelings were all consuming.
I must admit that I was curious to see what the LMDh would/could look like, and I am always a little curious anytime Porsche puts out a new product, especially if it is in the Motorsport arena.
In contrast, however, to 2013, my levels of excitant are magnitudes lower, and I needed to pinpoint the exact reasons.
Here they are:
- This car will not be faster than any of its competitors. (Due to the BOP)
- This car is also the basis for the Audi and Lamborghini (if it enters) cars. (And any other entries from VAG)
- It is not a Porsche chassis. Despite Multimatic building the chassis to VAG’s specifications, and the fact that VAG having exclusivity, it is still based on the new LMP2 chassis and therefore not a real “pure” Porsche product.
- It is my perception that Porsche’s decision to enter the LMDh class is primarily based on the most lucrative business model, and despite Thomas Laudenbach’s assertions that Porsche wants to be as successful with this model as it was with the other Motorsport models, it is clear to me that the measure of success has now changed to “how many cars we can sell to customers”, as opposed to “how many races/championships we can win”.
There is a lot of talk/speculation that the Audi LMDh program has been scaled back (and it is now understood that it will have the same chassis and drivetrain as the Porsche). My suspicion is that this could indicate a possible Audi entry into F1 (engine supplier) in 2026 and that they would rather divert resources to that project in the future.
If, in fact, Audi is chosen by VAG to represent them in F1, leaving Porsche to be their representative in sportscar racing (Porsche’s natural home), Porsche must be careful that Audi does not become the “senior” sportscar brand within VAG (assuming F1 success).
The way Porsche can guard its dominant “VAG sportcars brand “ is to be very successful in winning races and championships. In order to this, it may have to put the “most profitable business model” formula on hold.
Very good analysis...
I beg to differ in case of F1 in 2026 - I think we will see Audi AND Porsche as engine suppliers...
But it´s long time to 2026....
Blueflame
16.01.2022 12:38:40
Spyderidol:I haven’t taken the time to comment on this as my feeling are very mixed and I needed the time to try and sort through them.
I recall my excitement back in January 2013 when Porsche rolled out the 919. How exciting and interesting it was to see just what Porsche had come up with to take on the likes of Audi and Toyota. Those feelings were all consuming.
I must admit that I was curious to see what the LMDh would/could look like, and I am always a little curious anytime Porsche puts out a new product, especially if it is in the Motorsport arena.
In contrast, however, to 2013, my levels of excitant are magnitudes lower, and I needed to pinpoint the exact reasons.
Here they are:
- This car will not be faster than any of its competitors. (Due to the BOP)
- This car is also the basis for the Audi and Lamborghini (if it enters) cars. (And any other entries from VAG)
- It is not a Porsche chassis. Despite Multimatic building the chassis to VAG’s specifications, and the fact that VAG having exclusivity, it is still based on the new LMP2 chassis and therefore not a real “pure” Porsche product.
- It is my perception that Porsche’s decision to enter the LMDh class is primarily based on the most lucrative business model, and despite Thomas Laudenbach’s assertions that Porsche wants to be as successful with this model as it was with the other Motorsport models, it is clear to me that the measure of success has now changed to “how many cars we can sell to customers”, as opposed to “how many races/championships we can win”.
There is a lot of talk/speculation that the Audi LMDh program has been scaled back (and it is now understood that it will have the same chassis and drivetrain as the Porsche). My suspicion is that this could indicate a possible Audi entry into F1 (engine supplier) in 2026 and that they would rather divert resources to that project in the future.
If, in fact, Audi is chosen by VAG to represent them in F1, leaving Porsche to be their representative in sportscar racing (Porsche’s natural home), Porsche must be careful that Audi does not become the “senior” sportscar brand within VAG (assuming F1 success).
The way Porsche can guard its dominant “VAG sportcars brand “ is to be very successful in winning races and championships. In order to this, it may have to put the “most profitable business model” formula on hold.
Nice post Superidol!
I fully share your opinion. However, we have to admit that due to the fact that fia wec (except le mans) cant provide the same return of investment as F1 it is not viable for the manufacturers to build the cars like 919 r18 and ts050 anymore. The 2014 regulations went out in time when vw and toyota wanted to show their hybrid tech, so it was the reason for the to invest 300-400 mln euro per season to showcase the avant garde technology (more so than in f1).
Unfortunately fia wec couldnt provide the platform to the manufacturers for their promotions. What were the reasons - fia wec management inefficiency or fia politics to save f1 (which was under the heavy level of critics at time) we would never know. Of course dieselgate is the secondary factor.
So for now it is a choice - to have a field or make hi tech regs and have an empty field. First one is better I believe. Anyway, the masses dont know the tech, they see the label. Cant wait for 2023
16.01.2022 13:52:41
blueflame:Spyderidol:I haven’t taken the time to comment on this as my feeling are very mixed and I needed the time to try and sort through them.
I recall my excitement back in January 2013 when Porsche rolled out the 919. How exciting and interesting it was to see just what Porsche had come up with to take on the likes of Audi and Toyota. Those feelings were all consuming.
I must admit that I was curious to see what the LMDh would/could look like, and I am always a little curious anytime Porsche puts out a new product, especially if it is in the Motorsport arena.
In contrast, however, to 2013, my levels of excitant are magnitudes lower, and I needed to pinpoint the exact reasons.
Here they are:
- This car will not be faster than any of its competitors. (Due to the BOP)
- This car is also the basis for the Audi and Lamborghini (if it enters) cars. (And any other entries from VAG)
- It is not a Porsche chassis. Despite Multimatic building the chassis to VAG’s specifications, and the fact that VAG having exclusivity, it is still based on the new LMP2 chassis and therefore not a real “pure” Porsche product.
- It is my perception that Porsche’s decision to enter the LMDh class is primarily based on the most lucrative business model, and despite Thomas Laudenbach’s assertions that Porsche wants to be as successful with this model as it was with the other Motorsport models, it is clear to me that the measure of success has now changed to “how many cars we can sell to customers”, as opposed to “how many races/championships we can win”.
There is a lot of talk/speculation that the Audi LMDh program has been scaled back (and it is now understood that it will have the same chassis and drivetrain as the Porsche). My suspicion is that this could indicate a possible Audi entry into F1 (engine supplier) in 2026 and that they would rather divert resources to that project in the future.
If, in fact, Audi is chosen by VAG to represent them in F1, leaving Porsche to be their representative in sportscar racing (Porsche’s natural home), Porsche must be careful that Audi does not become the “senior” sportscar brand within VAG (assuming F1 success).
The way Porsche can guard its dominant “VAG sportcars brand “ is to be very successful in winning races and championships. In order to this, it may have to put the “most profitable business model” formula on hold.
Very good analysis...
I beg to differ in case of F1 in 2026 - I think we will see Audi AND Porsche as engine suppliers...
But it´s long time to 2026....
Blueflame
Thank you for the compliment.
You may be correct, but I suspect that VAG has a clear plan for its Motorsport , and that would include one brand in F1 and one brand in Sportscar racing. This will allow for the concentration of effort and resources (both financial and technological). However, I'm sure that if someone (i.e. TAG) came along and threw down a few tens of millions for a Porsche engine, they would gladly accept it. Business first!
16.01.2022 14:25:18
kudryavchik:Spyderidol:I haven’t taken the time to comment on this as my feeling are very mixed and I needed the time to try and sort through them.
I recall my excitement back in January 2013 when Porsche rolled out the 919. How exciting and interesting it was to see just what Porsche had come up with to take on the likes of Audi and Toyota. Those feelings were all consuming.
I must admit that I was curious to see what the LMDh would/could look like, and I am always a little curious anytime Porsche puts out a new product, especially if it is in the Motorsport arena.
In contrast, however, to 2013, my levels of excitant are magnitudes lower, and I needed to pinpoint the exact reasons.
Here they are:
- This car will not be faster than any of its competitors. (Due to the BOP)
- This car is also the basis for the Audi and Lamborghini (if it enters) cars. (And any other entries from VAG)
- It is not a Porsche chassis. Despite Multimatic building the chassis to VAG’s specifications, and the fact that VAG having exclusivity, it is still based on the new LMP2 chassis and therefore not a real “pure” Porsche product.
- It is my perception that Porsche’s decision to enter the LMDh class is primarily based on the most lucrative business model, and despite Thomas Laudenbach’s assertions that Porsche wants to be as successful with this model as it was with the other Motorsport models, it is clear to me that the measure of success has now changed to “how many cars we can sell to customers”, as opposed to “how many races/championships we can win”.
There is a lot of talk/speculation that the Audi LMDh program has been scaled back (and it is now understood that it will have the same chassis and drivetrain as the Porsche). My suspicion is that this could indicate a possible Audi entry into F1 (engine supplier) in 2026 and that they would rather divert resources to that project in the future.
If, in fact, Audi is chosen by VAG to represent them in F1, leaving Porsche to be their representative in sportscar racing (Porsche’s natural home), Porsche must be careful that Audi does not become the “senior” sportscar brand within VAG (assuming F1 success).
The way Porsche can guard its dominant “VAG sportcars brand “ is to be very successful in winning races and championships. In order to this, it may have to put the “most profitable business model” formula on hold.
Nice post Superidol!
I fully share your opinion. However, we have to admit that due to the fact that fia wec (except le mans) cant provide the same return of investment as F1 it is not viable for the manufacturers to build the cars like 919 r18 and ts050 anymore. The 2014 regulations went out in time when vw and toyota wanted to show their hybrid tech, so it was the reason for the to invest 300-400 mln euro per season to showcase the avant garde technology (more so than in f1).
Unfortunately fia wec couldnt provide the platform to the manufacturers for their promotions. What were the reasons - fia wec management inefficiency or fia politics to save f1 (which was under the heavy level of critics at time) we would never know. Of course dieselgate is the secondary factor.
So for now it is a choice - to have a field or make hi tech regs and have an empty field. First one is better I believe. Anyway, the masses dont know the tech, they see the label. Cant wait for 2023
Yes, we all know the excuses/reasons provided at the time of the VAG brands leaving the WEC, but lets examine the reasons for the status quo at the time:
16.01.2022 16:21:42
1. Its ok , the costs start to grow when the manufacturers come. They are happy to spend, but they need the ROI. However, the greatest escalation came in 2014, when the new regs were introduced. These regs were very expensive.
2.Under 2014 rules the diesels and petrols were well balanced under EoT (technology balance)
3. True. Very intense development, what to say, by 2016 porsche wanted 3rd hybrid (rear kers in their case) and more electric power, however aco didnt go this way. So it lead to porsche exit. Audi was to exit due to diesel gate. No more need to promote diesel hybrids.
4. VW didnt complain about costs too, however these costs were too high for peugeot f.e. BMW was ready to enter and invest, but aco was too late with hydrogen.
5. ACO did a great job for 2014 regs and all went fine in 2015 with promotion, but 2016 has seen the decline. It was possible to promote fia wec at f1 levels, considering the f1 crisis, but I tend to think that ACO couldnt modify the rules the way the manufacturers wanted (toyota was lagging with 3rd ers - in their case thermal recovery) and I think the politics were there. F1 cant have the competition. 1993 has shown it, so as now.
6. Why not liberal? 2014 ruleset was very liberal. You have the open concept, do whatever you want, simply under the certain energy deployment limits. F1 is not liberal - you work under the given requirements on engine and chassis, so all your work is attention to details to get 0.1s. FIA wec was always vice versa - open concept but limited energy (fuel, restrictors and so on) deployment.
7. We will see, these rules are closer to group C ones. Of course everything will work until F1 is safe. If we see F1 fail, nobody will give the FIA WEC the development.
16.01.2022 17:21:29
Spyderidol:I haven’t taken the time to comment on this as my feeling are very mixed and I needed the time to try and sort through them.
I recall my excitement back in January 2013 when Porsche rolled out the 919. How exciting and interesting it was to see just what Porsche had come up with to take on the likes of Audi and Toyota. Those feelings were all consuming.
I must admit that I was curious to see what the LMDh would/could look like, and I am always a little curious anytime Porsche puts out a new product, especially if it is in the Motorsport arena.
In contrast, however, to 2013, my levels of excitant are magnitudes lower, and I needed to pinpoint the exact reasons.
Here they are:
- This car will not be faster than any of its competitors. (Due to the BOP)
- This car is also the basis for the Audi and Lamborghini (if it enters) cars. (And any other entries from VAG)
- It is not a Porsche chassis. Despite Multimatic building the chassis to VAG’s specifications, and the fact that VAG having exclusivity, it is still based on the new LMP2 chassis and therefore not a real “pure” Porsche product.
- It is my perception that Porsche’s decision to enter the LMDh class is primarily based on the most lucrative business model, and despite Thomas Laudenbach’s assertions that Porsche wants to be as successful with this model as it was with the other Motorsport models, it is clear to me that the measure of success has now changed to “how many cars we can sell to customers”, as opposed to “how many races/championships we can win”.
There is a lot of talk/speculation that the Audi LMDh program has been scaled back (and it is now understood that it will have the same chassis and drivetrain as the Porsche). My suspicion is that this could indicate a possible Audi entry into F1 (engine supplier) in 2026 and that they would rather divert resources to that project in the future.
If, in fact, Audi is chosen by VAG to represent them in F1, leaving Porsche to be their representative in sportscar racing (Porsche’s natural home), Porsche must be careful that Audi does not become the “senior” sportscar brand within VAG (assuming F1 success).
The way Porsche can guard its dominant “VAG sportcars brand “ is to be very successful in winning races and championships. In order to this, it may have to put the “most profitable business model” formula on hold.
Missed one important point. You forgot to consider the Piech factor.
Way back then, when Piech was still alive, he had his feud with the Porsches. He was in charge and wanted his baby, Audi', to shine over the Porsches. Hence why he had his Audis racing and winning a bunch in Le Mans while at the same time prevented Porsche from entering. What did Porsche do after Piech was ousted? Win 3 in a row.
Now that Audi's sugar daddy is long gone, it will never outshine the proper family brand. Whatever Audi's past success was, Piech made those happened, it wasn't really about Audi's greatness, those were given to them by Piech. Just like how Piech gifted Bentley the Le Mans win to promote his prized acquisition.
There aren't such a egomaniac at VAG anymore, the proper brand hierarchy will stay.
16.01.2022 17:31:07
Whoopsy:Spyderidol:I haven’t taken the time to comment on this as my feeling are very mixed and I needed the time to try and sort through them.
I recall my excitement back in January 2013 when Porsche rolled out the 919. How exciting and interesting it was to see just what Porsche had come up with to take on the likes of Audi and Toyota. Those feelings were all consuming.
I must admit that I was curious to see what the LMDh would/could look like, and I am always a little curious anytime Porsche puts out a new product, especially if it is in the Motorsport arena.
In contrast, however, to 2013, my levels of excitant are magnitudes lower, and I needed to pinpoint the exact reasons.
Here they are:
- This car will not be faster than any of its competitors. (Due to the BOP)
- This car is also the basis for the Audi and Lamborghini (if it enters) cars. (And any other entries from VAG)
- It is not a Porsche chassis. Despite Multimatic building the chassis to VAG’s specifications, and the fact that VAG having exclusivity, it is still based on the new LMP2 chassis and therefore not a real “pure” Porsche product.
- It is my perception that Porsche’s decision to enter the LMDh class is primarily based on the most lucrative business model, and despite Thomas Laudenbach’s assertions that Porsche wants to be as successful with this model as it was with the other Motorsport models, it is clear to me that the measure of success has now changed to “how many cars we can sell to customers”, as opposed to “how many races/championships we can win”.
There is a lot of talk/speculation that the Audi LMDh program has been scaled back (and it is now understood that it will have the same chassis and drivetrain as the Porsche). My suspicion is that this could indicate a possible Audi entry into F1 (engine supplier) in 2026 and that they would rather divert resources to that project in the future.
If, in fact, Audi is chosen by VAG to represent them in F1, leaving Porsche to be their representative in sportscar racing (Porsche’s natural home), Porsche must be careful that Audi does not become the “senior” sportscar brand within VAG (assuming F1 success).
The way Porsche can guard its dominant “VAG sportcars brand “ is to be very successful in winning races and championships. In order to this, it may have to put the “most profitable business model” formula on hold.
Missed one important point. You forgot to consider the Piech factor.
Way back then, when Piech was still alive, he had his feud with the Porsches. He was in charge and wanted his baby, Audi', to shine over the Porsches. Hence why he had his Audis racing and winning a bunch in Le Mans while at the same time prevented Porsche from entering. What did Porsche do after Piech was ousted? Win 3 in a row.
Now that Audi's sugar daddy is long gone, it will never outshine the proper family brand. Whatever Audi's past success was, Piech made those happened, it wasn't really about Audi's greatness, those were given to them by Piech. Just like how Piech gifted Bentley the Le Mans win to promote his prized acquisition.
There aren't such a egomaniac at VAG anymore, the proper brand hierarchy will stay.
Lets hope you are correct!
16.01.2022 17:42:12
6. Why not liberal? 2014 ruleset was very liberal. You have the open concept, do whatever you want, simply under the certain energy deployment limits. F1 is not liberal - you work under the given requirements on engine and chassis, so all your work is attention to details to get 0.1s. FIA wec was always vice versa - open concept but limited energy (fuel, restrictors and so on) deployment.
There are no "liberal" racing rules. There haven't been any since the days of CAN AM. No one believes they are a good thing....but that doesn't mean everyone is correct.
16.01.2022 22:46:05
Spyderidol:Whoopsy:Spyderidol:I haven’t taken the time to comment on this as my feeling are very mixed and I needed the time to try and sort through them.
I recall my excitement back in January 2013 when Porsche rolled out the 919. How exciting and interesting it was to see just what Porsche had come up with to take on the likes of Audi and Toyota. Those feelings were all consuming.
I must admit that I was curious to see what the LMDh would/could look like, and I am always a little curious anytime Porsche puts out a new product, especially if it is in the Motorsport arena.
In contrast, however, to 2013, my levels of excitant are magnitudes lower, and I needed to pinpoint the exact reasons.
Here they are:
- This car will not be faster than any of its competitors. (Due to the BOP)
- This car is also the basis for the Audi and Lamborghini (if it enters) cars. (And any other entries from VAG)
- It is not a Porsche chassis. Despite Multimatic building the chassis to VAG’s specifications, and the fact that VAG having exclusivity, it is still based on the new LMP2 chassis and therefore not a real “pure” Porsche product.
- It is my perception that Porsche’s decision to enter the LMDh class is primarily based on the most lucrative business model, and despite Thomas Laudenbach’s assertions that Porsche wants to be as successful with this model as it was with the other Motorsport models, it is clear to me that the measure of success has now changed to “how many cars we can sell to customers”, as opposed to “how many races/championships we can win”.
There is a lot of talk/speculation that the Audi LMDh program has been scaled back (and it is now understood that it will have the same chassis and drivetrain as the Porsche). My suspicion is that this could indicate a possible Audi entry into F1 (engine supplier) in 2026 and that they would rather divert resources to that project in the future.
If, in fact, Audi is chosen by VAG to represent them in F1, leaving Porsche to be their representative in sportscar racing (Porsche’s natural home), Porsche must be careful that Audi does not become the “senior” sportscar brand within VAG (assuming F1 success).
The way Porsche can guard its dominant “VAG sportcars brand “ is to be very successful in winning races and championships. In order to this, it may have to put the “most profitable business model” formula on hold.
Missed one important point. You forgot to consider the Piech factor.
Way back then, when Piech was still alive, he had his feud with the Porsches. He was in charge and wanted his baby, Audi', to shine over the Porsches. Hence why he had his Audis racing and winning a bunch in Le Mans while at the same time prevented Porsche from entering. What did Porsche do after Piech was ousted? Win 3 in a row.
Now that Audi's sugar daddy is long gone, it will never outshine the proper family brand. Whatever Audi's past success was, Piech made those happened, it wasn't really about Audi's greatness, those were given to them by Piech. Just like how Piech gifted Bentley the Le Mans win to promote his prized acquisition.
There aren't such a egomaniac at VAG anymore, the proper brand hierarchy will stay.
Lets hope you are correct!
Seeing the personal that's now in charge, and from what I had gathered, that seems to be the case. VAG, under Porsche ownership, will always do Porsche first. Mutiny is over.
The family feud between the Porsches and the Piechs are pretty much over with Ferdinand gone. The current crop of Piechs are quite friendly with their Porsche cousins.
16.01.2022 23:30:57
Spyderidol:6. Why not liberal? 2014 ruleset was very liberal. You have the open concept, do whatever you want, simply under the certain energy deployment limits. F1 is not liberal - you work under the given requirements on engine and chassis, so all your work is attention to details to get 0.1s. FIA wec was always vice versa - open concept but limited energy (fuel, restrictors and so on) deployment.
There are no "liberal" racing rules. There haven't been any since the days of CAN AM. No one believes they are a good thing....but that doesn't mean everyone is correct.
True, ok, non correct from me. Open concept. F1 works under the given concept, lmp1 under given balance, fuel consimption, power (through the air intake or fuel flow limitation) - from I think 1975 (when the fuel crisis made aco to restrict the usage of fuel for 24 hours)
Can-Am, its first iteration, was amazing as non sustainable by all factors:)
17.01.2022 05:37:56
kudryavchik:Spyderidol:6. Why not liberal? 2014 ruleset was very liberal. You have the open concept, do whatever you want, simply under the certain energy deployment limits. F1 is not liberal - you work under the given requirements on engine and chassis, so all your work is attention to details to get 0.1s. FIA wec was always vice versa - open concept but limited energy (fuel, restrictors and so on) deployment.
There are no "liberal" racing rules. There haven't been any since the days of CAN AM. No one believes they are a good thing....but that doesn't mean everyone is correct.
True, ok, non correct from me. Open concept. F1 works under the given concept, lmp1 under given balance, fuel consimption, power (through the air intake or fuel flow limitation) - from I think 1975 (when the fuel crisis made aco to restrict the usage of fuel for 24 hours)
Can-Am, its first iteration, was amazing as non sustainable by all factors:)
..but CAN Am did not die out because it was unsustainable. It died because the series was in essence designed to showcase American muscle (BIG V8's) and then along came Porsche with turbo charging and completely decimated the big block V8's. This led to a rule change essentially banning the Porsches and eventually killing the series. (once again we see rules going from liberal to conscripted...and then the final result)
17.01.2022 07:16:41
True. Turbo and fuel crisis. American atteliers tryed to adopt the turbo to chevy big block. Massive power, about 1400-1600 hp (the final figure is unknown, only speculations), but it didnt work. Shadow tried and the case was closed after several blow ups.
In unfair advantage book, Donohue also has written about the possibility to adopt their v16 (7 liter version of the same engine) to the turbo. His forecasts on power were 2000 hp. But the project was never seriously considered (i believe it was spare in case of new chassis and loss of power advantage they had)
Crazy series it was:) (the whole gr7 was out of this world, japanese nissan r382, toyota 7, interseries...late 60s hillclimb) the same craziness - closed wheel grand prix races like 1937 avus under formula libre regulations (these were not gp regulated cars, because of >750kg weight)
17.01.2022 08:09:47
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17.01.2022 13:43:00
Rear wing goes behind the rear overhang - previously it was prohibited. Front lights in the other photos can be seen (ovals on the front bumber
In some ways it resembles me multimatic mazda:)) history repeats))) first there was jag then mazda and then porsche wsc95)))))
17.01.2022 14:38:41
It does look a bit like a 919. To my surprise. I had expected the hypercar class to look more like streetcars (918, Ferrari Larifari, etc) and less like LMP cars.
You mention you can see the headlights, can you outline them for me? I couldn't really visualize them. In all fairness, I would expect the Hypercar to take more design cues from the EV racer prototype, as that is supposed to lead the way design wise. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw more Taycan styled headlights.
Porsche, separates Le Mans from Le Boys
17.01.2022 15:14:19
It does look a bit like a 919. To my surprise. I had expected the hypercar class to look more like streetcars (918, Ferrari Larifari, etc) and less like LMP cars.
That was the original idea for Hypercars, but it never really got off the ground, and was quickly sidelined once they decided to create the LMDh class based on LMP2 chassis.
You mention you can see the headlights, can you outline them for me? I couldn't really visualize them. In all fairness, I would expect the Hypercar to take more design cues from the EV racer prototype, as that is supposed to lead the way design wise. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw more Taycan styled headlights.
The headlights will look something like this:
17.01.2022 19:37:25
Joost:It does look a bit like a 919. To my surprise. I had expected the hypercar class to look more like streetcars (918, Ferrari Larifari, etc) and less like LMP cars.
You mention you can see the headlights, can you outline them for me? I couldn't really visualize them. In all fairness, I would expect the Hypercar to take more design cues from the EV racer prototype, as that is supposed to lead the way design wise. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw more Taycan styled headlights.
Joost, look on the "border" on the paint. I see it goes like this...
18.01.2022 06:43:34