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Jan 16, 2003 1:49:28 AM
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Re: New Boxster MY 2005
I don't know where your picture came from, but I can say that this is not the next Boxster. Even though I have yet to see a real prototype, I have seen some pictures, and I think you will be blown away by the new look - one of the best looking sports cars I have ever seen!
Jan 16, 2003 3:09:28 AM
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Jan 16, 2003 8:33:30 AM
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PCNA insider...
Hello man,
As a PCNA employee (according to your nick name) what do you personally think
a) of Porsche's strategy concerning the Boxster, i.e. not to replace it and change it slightly. Sales are still going down according to my dealer in Paris.
Date for real replacement?
b) of the Cayenne in terms of long term strategy (read the controversial threads on the Cayenne board and you'll see what I'm getting at)
Thanks,
Fanch.
As a PCNA employee (according to your nick name) what do you personally think
a) of Porsche's strategy concerning the Boxster, i.e. not to replace it and change it slightly. Sales are still going down according to my dealer in Paris.
Date for real replacement?
b) of the Cayenne in terms of long term strategy (read the controversial threads on the Cayenne board and you'll see what I'm getting at)
Thanks,
Fanch.
Jan 18, 2003 12:35:59 AM
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Jan 18, 2003 1:25:53 AM
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I value my job and respectfully decline to answer any questions related to confidential information within PCNA or PAG.
My personal opinion is that Boxster sales will pick up somewhat this Spring (at least for PCNA). I really think that Boxster sales won't see higher numbers until the all new Boxster is launched. We still don't know the exact date for that either.
The next generation Boxster is stunning! That's all I can say. I wish I could tell you more, but....wouldn't be prudent.
My personal opinion is that Boxster sales will pick up somewhat this Spring (at least for PCNA). I really think that Boxster sales won't see higher numbers until the all new Boxster is launched. We still don't know the exact date for that either.
The next generation Boxster is stunning! That's all I can say. I wish I could tell you more, but....wouldn't be prudent.
Jan 18, 2003 3:51:49 AM
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Jan 19, 2003 6:21:14 AM
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I like what I see
Jan 19, 2003 10:02:11 AM
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Jan 19, 2003 7:39:38 PM
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Re: New Boxster MY 2005
Looks great if you ask me. 
But I'm mot sure Porsche would jeoperdize Carrera GT sales with such a stylish car. 
I think the next generation Boxster will look much more refined and stylish than the old one. I also think that it will get substantially more power, including a turbo version with way over 300 HP and more. The only chance to be able to avoid creating a Boxster which hurts 911 sales is to make two completely different products, especially when it comes to the design. Corporate identity yes but on future Porsche products, there must be clear and visible differences between the models. Look at Mercedes: they sell a SLK 32 AMG, a C 32 AMG, a CLK 55 AMG and they sold the "old" E 55 AMG and "old" S 55 AMG, all cars having practically the same power and street performance but completely different looks and a different character. Yes, I can even imagine a Boxster with a 400 HP engine, why not?!
Another example: the SLK 32 AMG has a much better performance than the new SL 500 but costs substantially less.
And the SL 500 still sells.
Porsche has to seperate the Boxster and the 911 totally, they have to be completely different cars. The Boxster doesn't "need" the 911 anymore to sell, it is successful by it's own character, even if sales seems to have slowed down in the past.
I have to confess that I don't envy anybody at Porsche who is responsible for the next Boxster generation and especially it's design. I truely hope however that Porsche starts to be a little more courageous and avoids the mistake (from my point of view) they did with the Cayenne (too conservative, too boring, etc.).
But I'm mot sure Porsche would jeoperdize Carrera GT sales with such a stylish car. I think the next generation Boxster will look much more refined and stylish than the old one. I also think that it will get substantially more power, including a turbo version with way over 300 HP and more. The only chance to be able to avoid creating a Boxster which hurts 911 sales is to make two completely different products, especially when it comes to the design. Corporate identity yes but on future Porsche products, there must be clear and visible differences between the models. Look at Mercedes: they sell a SLK 32 AMG, a C 32 AMG, a CLK 55 AMG and they sold the "old" E 55 AMG and "old" S 55 AMG, all cars having practically the same power and street performance but completely different looks and a different character. Yes, I can even imagine a Boxster with a 400 HP engine, why not?!
Another example: the SLK 32 AMG has a much better performance than the new SL 500 but costs substantially less.
And the SL 500 still sells.
Porsche has to seperate the Boxster and the 911 totally, they have to be completely different cars. The Boxster doesn't "need" the 911 anymore to sell, it is successful by it's own character, even if sales seems to have slowed down in the past.I have to confess that I don't envy anybody at Porsche who is responsible for the next Boxster generation and especially it's design. I truely hope however that Porsche starts to be a little more courageous and avoids the mistake (from my point of view) they did with the Cayenne (too conservative, too boring, etc.).
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Jan 21, 2003 3:25:47 AM
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Jan 25, 2003 3:07:36 PM
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Re: New Boxster MY 2005
PCNA does not have a design engineering department, but does have an after sales engineering department. So, PCNA does not have any involvement in design.
PCNA and PAG work very closely in many other aspects of the business. This involves frequent trips for employees between the two companies. Many times, PCNA employees get to see prototypes years before release. I actually saw a Cayenne in 2001. Many of our Service department employees and Dealer Support engineers get involved with new models very early on.
Hopefully, I'll get to see a prototype Boxster this year.
Hope that gives you a better idea of PCNA involvement.
PCNA and PAG work very closely in many other aspects of the business. This involves frequent trips for employees between the two companies. Many times, PCNA employees get to see prototypes years before release. I actually saw a Cayenne in 2001. Many of our Service department employees and Dealer Support engineers get involved with new models very early on.
Hopefully, I'll get to see a prototype Boxster this year.
Hope that gives you a better idea of PCNA involvement.
Jan 25, 2003 3:22:40 PM
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Jan 25, 2003 8:24:09 PM
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Re: New Boxster MY 2005
2000 Carrera GTs???... Wow! At first, they were talking about 1000 pieces, right? This is a pretty big number for a 'limited production' car, isn't it? Since the original price estimate was based on 1000 pieces, will this decrease it?
To me, this makes the CGT much less exclusive, doesn't it? Ok, the Enzo is much more expensive, but there are less than 500 of them. 2000 CGTs?... huh... that's almost mass-production...
Greetings,
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To me, this makes the CGT much less exclusive, doesn't it? Ok, the Enzo is much more expensive, but there are less than 500 of them. 2000 CGTs?... huh... that's almost mass-production...
Greetings,
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Jan 27, 2003 3:43:45 AM
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Jan 27, 2003 4:24:19 PM
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Re: 2'000 Carrera GT...
Thanks for the 'rumor', Christian... 600 HP min, huh?... Yeah, I guess they just had to break this barrier in order not to look underpowered compared to the Enzo... 
And going from the 558 that were formerly planned to 600+ is probably no big deal.
Boy, it's about time Porsche releases official info!...
--Pierre
And going from the 558 that were formerly planned to 600+ is probably no big deal.Boy, it's about time Porsche releases official info!...
--Pierre
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