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May 20, 2016 1:22:07 PM

Spyderidol: Rennteam Master; Loc: Mozambique; Posts: 5807, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 25, 2007; Reply to: olli

Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

Hi Olli- I followed that race and was most disappointed, however, to be fair, their BoP is not very favorable at the moment. They expect better BoP for the N24h, but I don't expect them to be on top even for that race.

As for the GTE: I don't have much hope. I understand Porsche's decision from a purely short-term business and fiscal optics. I lament their desire to win seems to have gone out the window. In the end, that is what racing is all about. Winning is the most important thing. When you loose the will to do that, then you are merely just another participant. Porsche was never "just another participant". Now it seems to be satisfied to be just that.

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May 20, 2016 1:35:01 PM

Porker: Rennteam VIP; Loc: SZ , Switzerland; Posts: 7062, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 17, 2005; Reply to: Spyderidol

Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

At least in GTE that appears to be the case, that does not seem to be the case in LMP1, luckily.

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May 20, 2016 1:39:09 PM

Super Darius: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Italy-Como , Italy; Posts: 4084, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 7, 2002; Reply to: Porker

Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

Porker:
At least in GTE that appears to be the case, that does not seem to be the case in LMP1, luckily.

i like a Porsche that win in the LMP1.

but i prefer(for my point of view) a 911 that win in the GTE class,and i repeat "a 911", not another Porsche. Smiley

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May 20, 2016 2:21:37 PM

Porker: Rennteam VIP; Loc: SZ , Switzerland; Posts: 7062, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 17, 2005; Reply to: Super Darius

Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

I agree Porsche's core is sports car racing, not prototype racing but I guess in WEC the proto's grab the headlines. We'll have to wait until 2017 for sports cars I guess.

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May 20, 2016 3:32:33 PM

Spyderidol: Rennteam Master; Loc: Mozambique; Posts: 5807, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 25, 2007; Reply to: Porker

Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

Whilst I understand the desire to see the 911 successful, it is important to understand that "prototypes" are "sportscars too."Think of the 906, 908, 910, 917, 936, 956,962 etc,etc. The 911 is in the GT (E) class within the sportscar realm. Porsche has had a tremendous success in both classes. It would be a real shame not to continue their successful racing heritage.

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Jun 28, 2016 1:35:57 PM

Spyderidol: Rennteam Master; Loc: Mozambique; Posts: 5807, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 25, 2007; Reply to: Spyderidol

Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

Here is the first picture I have seen of the new 2017 GTE car

http://www.endurance-info.com/fr/la-porsche-911-gte-spec-2017-se-devoile-un-peu-plus/

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Jun 28, 2016 1:36:18 PM

Spyderidol: Rennteam Master; Loc: Mozambique; Posts: 5807, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 25, 2007; Reply to: Spyderidol

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Jun 28, 2016 2:06:59 PM

Super Darius: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Italy-Como , Italy; Posts: 4084, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 7, 2002; Reply to: Spyderidol

Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

and is Turbo..i have a friend in Monza now.

the car sounds definitively turbocharged!and the engine seems "more" central

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Jun 28, 2016 2:18:35 PM

Spyderidol: Rennteam Master; Loc: Mozambique; Posts: 5807, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 25, 2007; Reply to: Super Darius

Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

Super Darius:
and is Turbo..i have a friend in Monza now.

the car sounds definitively turbocharged!and the engine seems "more" central

Yes, engine moved forward and position of gearbox changed too. This will allow huge rear diffuser such as used by the competition.

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Jun 28, 2016 7:26:21 PM

Adam R: Pilot; Loc: Rochester, MN , United States; Posts: 369, Gallery; Registered on: May 2, 2004; Reply to: Spyderidol

Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

Is this going to be based on the rumored 960 or will it still be a "911"?

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Jun 28, 2016 7:38:35 PM

Spyderidol: Rennteam Master; Loc: Mozambique; Posts: 5807, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 25, 2007; Reply to: Adam R

Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

It is still a 911.

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Jun 28, 2016 7:45:30 PM

noone1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Los Angeles , United States; Posts: 5587, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 20, 2009; Reply to: Spyderidol

Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

So this is essential rear mid-engine now, yeah? Guess the 911 era is over ;)

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Jun 28, 2016 7:51:54 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: noone1

Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

It is essentially a GT4 with a 911 badge on it indecision

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Jun 28, 2016 8:03:51 PM

beltar: Veteran; Loc: belgium , Belgium; Posts: 1232, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 15, 2005; Reply to: bluelines

Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

bluelines:
It is essentially a GT4 with a 911 badge on it

One thing still missing , they forgot the fastest color :-)

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Jun 28, 2016 8:07:05 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: beltar

Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

beltar:
bluelines:
It is essentially a GT4 with a 911 badge on it

One thing still missing , they forgot the fastest color :-)

They will probably wait for the facelift with white. Gets them a few extra hp then Smiley Smiley

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Jun 28, 2016 9:43:01 PM

fritz: Rennteam VIP; Loc: BaWü , Germany; Posts: 10248, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 23, 2003; Reply to: Spyderidol

Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

Spyderidol:
Super Darius:
and is Turbo..i have a friend in Monza now.

the car sounds definitively turbocharged!and the engine seems "more" central

Yes, engine moved forward and position of gearbox changed too. This will allow huge rear diffuser such as used by the competition.

If engine is moved forward gearbox position would have to change, because they are rigidly attached to each other.
Are you saying that the gearbox is now behind the engine? Smiley

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Jun 28, 2016 9:44:51 PM

Joost: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Dordrecht , Netherlands; Posts: 8054, Gallery; Registered on: May 3, 2004; Reply to: fritz

Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

fritz:
Spyderidol:
Super Darius:
and is Turbo..i have a friend in Monza now.

the car sounds definitively turbocharged!and the engine seems "more" central

Yes, engine moved forward and position of gearbox changed too. This will allow huge rear diffuser such as used by the competition.

If engine is moved forward gearbox position would have to change, because they are rigidly attached to each other.
Are you saying that the gearbox is now behind the engine?

That is the rumor.

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Jun 28, 2016 9:48:12 PM

fritz: Rennteam VIP; Loc: BaWü , Germany; Posts: 10248, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 23, 2003; Reply to: Joost

Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

Joost:
fritz:
Spyderidol:
Super Darius:
and is Turbo..i have a friend in Monza now.

the car sounds definitively turbocharged!and the engine seems "more" central

Yes, engine moved forward and position of gearbox changed too. This will allow huge rear diffuser such as used by the competition.

If engine is moved forward gearbox position would have to change, because they are rigidly attached to each other.
Are you saying that the gearbox is now behind the engine?

That is the rumor.

Are these still rumours being discussed? I thought someone actually knew something. Smiley

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Jun 28, 2016 9:59:28 PM

noone1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Los Angeles , United States; Posts: 5587, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 20, 2009; Reply to: bluelines

Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

bluelines:
beltar:
bluelines:
It is essentially a GT4 with a 911 badge on it

One thing still missing , they forgot the fastest color :-)

They will probably wait for the facelift with white. Gets them a few extra hp then

I think they save the white for qualifying actually.

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Jun 29, 2016 2:40:39 AM

tso: Senior; Loc: Denmark , United Arab Emirates; Posts: 747, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2004; Reply to: bluelines

Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

bluelines:
It is essentially a GT4 with a 911 badge on it

Smiley Smiley Smiley

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Jun 29, 2016 5:10:34 AM

Super Darius: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Italy-Como , Italy; Posts: 4084, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 7, 2002; Reply to: bluelines

Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

bluelines:
It is essentially a GT4 with a 911 badge on it

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA Smiley

and sure will be white!!!! Smiley Smiley

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Jun 29, 2016 5:11:47 AM

Super Darius: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Italy-Como , Italy; Posts: 4084, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 7, 2002; Reply to: bluelines

Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

bluelines:
beltar:
bluelines:
It is essentially a GT4 with a 911 badge on it

One thing still missing , they forgot the fastest color :-)

They will probably wait for the facelift with white. Gets them a few extra hp then

here it is...i had no doubt. Smiley

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Jun 29, 2016 5:18:18 AM

Spyderidol: Rennteam Master; Loc: Mozambique; Posts: 5807, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 25, 2007; Reply to: fritz

Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

fritz:
Joost:
fritz:
Spyderidol:
Super Darius:
and is Turbo..i have a friend in Monza now.

the car sounds definitively turbocharged!and the engine seems "more" central

Yes, engine moved forward and position of gearbox changed too. This will allow huge rear diffuser such as used by the competition.

If engine is moved forward gearbox position would have to change, because they are rigidly attached to each other.
Are you saying that the gearbox is now behind the engine?

That is the rumor.

Are these still rumours being discussed? I thought someone actually knew something.

Sorry Fritz. Porsche have not supplied any details yet. I'm going by rumors and also what has been written/reported regarding the waivers that the ACO/FiA have issued in order to allow for this car to race in the GTE class.

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Jun 29, 2016 5:44:02 AM

Spyderidol: Rennteam Master; Loc: Mozambique; Posts: 5807, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 25, 2007; Reply to: Spyderidol

Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

Here it is from another angle:

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Jun 29, 2016 7:44:15 AM

olli: Pilot; Loc: Germany; Posts: 418, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 24, 2006; Reply to: Spyderidol

Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

Well, after the Le Mans experience in GTE, they know what they are up against in terms of the competition (Ford GT, Ferrari 488) and BoP for 2017.

The big question remains if the tweaks to the basic 911 layout, primarily the presumed mid-rear engine configuration plus presumed the engine gearbox position switch plus the rear diffuser etc., will be sufficient to become competitive again.

The choice of engine, turbo versus NA, will obviously also play a major role.

I just hope Walliser's tears at the pre-race press briefing after qualifying were related only to the hopeless effort of the 2016 RSR and not also to his sudden realization that they may not have done enough conceptually for 2017...

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Jun 29, 2016 7:52:52 AM

Spyderidol: Rennteam Master; Loc: Mozambique; Posts: 5807, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 25, 2007; Reply to: olli

Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

Yes, as you know I'm not 100% convinced by this option. I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but.....

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Jun 29, 2016 12:22:10 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: Spyderidol

Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

The 2016 car was basically place holder. Nothing more. They didn't have any delusions about it's performance against the competition. They had been focused on the 2017 car from the beginning.

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Jun 29, 2016 12:30:57 PM

olli: Pilot; Loc: Germany; Posts: 418, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 24, 2006; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

True, but I don't think they expected the 2016 RSR to be a whopping 4 sec off the pace in Le Mans. So the question remains, have they done enough conceptually to make the 2017 RSR at least 4 sec a lap quicker, using LM as a benchmark.

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Jun 29, 2016 12:54:01 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: olli

Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

2016 was going to be a Ford year in Le Mans anyway, everyone knew that from a century ago, figuratively speaking.

The '16 car is basically the '15 car. Motorsport's priority went to the '17 RSR and '16 GT3R.

The '16 GT3R car is important because of the engine, the basic form will be the base for the .2GT3 which is coming next March. They knew they had to sort that one out quickly.

And they gain almost a year of development for the '17 car by abandoning the 2016 season so to speak.

It should be mega from what I heard from Andy and Frank.

And no, I got nothing about turbo-ed or not.

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Jun 29, 2016 1:18:21 PM

Spyderidol: Rennteam Master; Loc: Mozambique; Posts: 5807, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 25, 2007; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

I agree Whoopsy: 2016 was a write-off from the start.

My concerns with this mid-engine 911 solution are as follows:

If it is clear that the current regulations favor a mid engine design (mainly due to aero possibilities) why not use a platform that is specifically designed for a mid-engine rather than re-engineer one that is not designed for that purpose.
One of the major tools used for BoP are air restrictors. These limit hp. They do a very poor job of limiting torque. We consistently see that the competition with their bigger engines often have a substantial advantage (especially in straight line speed). I'm sure Porsche will address this with a Turbo engine , but will it be enough?

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