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Oct 7, 2020 5:34:45 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: GoHardGT3RS

Re: AMG GT R

That applies to most expensive sports cars. A Porsche turbo depreciates as much.

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Oct 7, 2020 8:12:45 PM

GoHardGT3RS: Co-Pilot; Loc: X , Germany; Posts: 183, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 15, 2015; Reply to: bluelines

Re: AMG GT R

But not to GT models from Porsche and if AMG would be serious about winning and getting loyalty from Porsche GT customers, they should produce less to minimise depreciation.

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Oct 7, 2020 8:54:26 PM

JR-550: Pilot; Loc: Belgium , Belgium; Posts: 354, Gallery; Registered on: May 10, 2005; Reply to: GoHardGT3RS

Re: AMG GT R

I find these depreciation discussions a bit strange. I am the happy owner of a 911 Turbo, R8 and AMG GTC-C. If you are into these cars you know in advance before buying you are going to be faced with hefty depreciation. Even my 911 Turbo Convertible will lose a lot of money in the first 2 years. So, if you buy a car like this you better be ready to keep them for a number of years, or you know you lose a lot of money. Making money on cars (your hobby) is only possible for a few cars and not for these “not so special” but nice sportscars.

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Oct 8, 2020 3:46:40 AM

the-missile: Rennteam Master; Loc: The World , France; Posts: 3484, Gallery; Registered on: May 10, 2014; Reply to: GoHardGT3RS

Re: AMG GT R

GoHardGT3RS:
But not to GT models from Porsche and if AMG would be serious about winning and getting loyalty from Porsche GT customers, they should produce less to minimise depreciation.

that era is gone... Smiley

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Oct 8, 2020 10:31:09 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59581, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: JR-550

Re: AMG GT R

JR-550:
I find these depreciation discussions a bit strange. I am the happy owner of a 911 Turbo, R8 and AMG GTC-C. If you are into these cars you know in advance before buying you are going to be faced with hefty depreciation. Even my 911 Turbo Convertible will lose a lot of money in the first 2 years. So, if you buy a car like this you better be ready to keep them for a number of years, or you know you lose a lot of money. Making money on cars (your hobby) is only possible for a few cars and not for these “not so special” but nice sportscars.

Depreciation only hurts if you keep these cars for a short while only. Smiley

I paid 254k EUR (after discount) for my Huracan Performante.

I plan to drive the car for at least four years and then I'll see (depending on reliability, my desire for a new car or whatever). I doubt that after four years or ownership and around 30000 km (I have almost 13000 km now), the car's value will drop below 180k EUR. So no big deal in my opinion. I had my fun. Smiley

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Oct 9, 2020 2:27:56 PM

JoeRockhead: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Topside , Monaco; Posts: 8033, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 17, 2007; Reply to: RC

Re: AMG GT R

Ouch.

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Oct 9, 2020 3:05:21 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59581, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: JoeRockhead

Re: AMG GT R

Ouchie Ouch. Smiley

I have to agree with him though: The look is extreme (which wouldn't be the main issue for me though) but the price is not silly, it is insane...for car which isn't even limited. Smiley

The more I look now at used AMG GT R prices, the more I like this car. It also sounds way better than the Black Series.

I added the AMG GT R to my list of possible daily driver choices when my GLC 63S AMG goes end of next year. Seriously. Already on this list: Tesla 3 Performance, G63 AMG, Jeep Grand Cherokee Trackhawk. Smiley

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Oct 9, 2020 6:25:22 PM

Topspeed: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Portugal , Portugal; Posts: 2992, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 14, 2014; Reply to: JoeRockhead

Re: AMG GT R

JoeRockhead:
Ouch.

Smiley

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Oct 11, 2020 1:15:21 AM

rhino: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Island , Saint Lucia; Posts: 2866, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 26, 2006; Reply to: Topspeed

Re: AMG GT R

X2

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Oct 13, 2020 9:52:27 PM

Topspeed: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Portugal , Portugal; Posts: 2992, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 14, 2014; Reply to: rhino

Re: AMG GT R

First Laptime on Hockenheim GP in the new Sport Auto:

Laptime: 1:43,3 min
Driver: Christian Gebhardt
Tires: Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 R (M01A)
Air Temp: 21° C
Asphalt Temp: 32° C

Supertest following later including a detailed tire analysis.

Top 10 Hockenheim GP (sport auto, Christian Gebhardt):

1:40,8 - McLaren Senna (Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R MC2)
1:43,3 - Mercedes-AMG GT Black Series (Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 R M01A)
1:43,5 - Manthey-Porsche 911 GT2 RS MR (Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 R N0)
1:45,5 - McLaren 720S (Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R MC1)
1:45,9 - Ferrari 488 Pista (Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 R K1)
1:46,0 - a-workx-Porsche 911 GT3 RS (991.2) (Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 R N0)
1:47,3 - Lamborghini Aventador SVJ (Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R L)
1:47,8 - Porsche 911 Turbo S (992) (Pirelli P Zero NA1)
1:48,0 - Mercedes-AMG GT R Pro (Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 ZP)
1:48,9 - McLaren 600LT (Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R MC1)

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Oct 14, 2020 7:23:04 PM

hunterone: Senior; Loc: Vienna , Austria; Posts: 582, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 9, 2006; Reply to: Topspeed

Re: AMG GT R

wow faster than GT2RS MR - respect

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Oct 14, 2020 8:26:17 PM

Porker: Rennteam VIP; Loc: SZ , Switzerland; Posts: 7062, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 17, 2005; Reply to: hunterone

Re: AMG GT R

Didn't expect that either for such a big beast....

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Oct 14, 2020 8:52:39 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: Porker

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That flat-plane motor must be conservatively rated...

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Oct 14, 2020 10:52:39 PM

Topspeed: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Portugal , Portugal; Posts: 2992, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 14, 2014; Reply to: Grant

Re: AMG GT R

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7l_2uE1XMg

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Oct 14, 2020 11:47:38 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: Topspeed

Re: AMG GT R

Those are some seriously wide rubber on the sticky compound.

The car is doing 1.6g lateral and also braking at 1.6-1.7g.

His brake marker for parabolika is exactly where we brake in cup cars, the last marshall hut.

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Oct 20, 2020 7:07:50 PM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12680, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: AMG GT R

AMG GT BS has apparantly set a new ring record on the Nordschleife.

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Oct 20, 2020 7:20:37 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: Rossi

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Rossi:
AMG GT BS has apparantly set a new ring record on the Nordschleife.

Any numbers? Beat the MR?

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Oct 20, 2020 7:43:43 PM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21149, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: Grant

Re: AMG GT R

If that is the case then it's funny that neither of the two fastest cars on the ring are mid-engined sportscars angry indecision

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Oct 20, 2020 7:44:48 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

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Carlos from Spain:
If that is the case then it's funny that neither of the two fastest cars on the ring are mid-engined sportscars

You want the handling to feature stability more than anything else on that track at those speeds...

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Oct 20, 2020 9:41:27 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

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Carlos from Spain:
If that is the case then it's funny that neither of the two fastest cars on the ring are mid-engined sportscars

Technically the AMG IS a mid engine car.

Perhaps a front mid engine is a better solution now with new understanding of aerodynamics?

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Oct 21, 2020 5:35:43 AM

JR-550: Pilot; Loc: Belgium , Belgium; Posts: 354, Gallery; Registered on: May 10, 2005; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: AMG GT R

The funny thing it even feels like a mid engine car on the track a bit like a Caymen. Find it very easy to drive on the track!

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Oct 21, 2020 7:19:58 AM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: JR-550

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I drove one before. I love the handling and the interior, I just can't stand the exterior. Or the ;value, or lack of it. Even worth than a fully loaded Cayenne or Panamera turbo S.

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Oct 21, 2020 8:34:01 AM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12680, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: Grant

Re: AMG GT R

Grant:
Rossi:
AMG GT BS has apparantly set a new ring record on the Nordschleife.

Any numbers? Beat the MR?

Newest rumour: below 6:43.

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Oct 21, 2020 9:21:23 AM

Porker: Rennteam VIP; Loc: SZ , Switzerland; Posts: 7062, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 17, 2005; Reply to: Rossi

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Rossi:
Grant:
Rossi:
AMG GT BS has apparantly set a new ring record on the Nordschleife.

Any numbers? Beat the MR?

Newest rumour: below 6:43.

The MR is 6'40", should be well below 6'43" then?

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Oct 21, 2020 10:45:31 AM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: Porker

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https://youtu.be/CCQFLq1a550

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Oct 21, 2020 11:28:36 AM

Kobalt: Expert; Loc: Europe , Sweden; Posts: 1819, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 18, 2015; Reply to: Grant

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Thanks Grant!

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Oct 21, 2020 2:33:31 PM

Topspeed: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Portugal , Portugal; Posts: 2992, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 14, 2014; Reply to: Kobalt

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Sub 7 min lap times

..................Porsche 991.2 GT2 RS MR: 6:40.33
......Mercedes-AMG GT Black Series: < 6:43.00 no official time yet
..............Lamborghini Aventador SVJ: 6:44.97
.........................Porsche 991.2 GT2 RS: 6:47.30
.Lamborghini Huracán Performante: 6:52.01
..................Porsche 991.2 GT3 RS MR: < 6:56.00 no official time yet
.........................Porsche 991.2 GT3 RS: 6:56.40
.............................Porsche 918 Spyder: 6:57.00
Lamborghini Aventador LP750-4 SV: 6:59.73

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Oct 21, 2020 2:49:40 PM

Topspeed: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Portugal , Portugal; Posts: 2992, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 14, 2014; Reply to: Topspeed

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https://www.instagram.com/p/CGmmzE2lpQI/

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Oct 21, 2020 4:41:37 PM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12680, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: Topspeed

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Topspeed:
Sub 7 min lap times

..................Porsche 991.2 GT2 RS MR: 6:40.33
......Mercedes-AMG GT Black Series: < 6:43.00 no official time yet
..............Lamborghini Aventador SVJ: 6:44.97
.........................Porsche 991.2 GT2 RS: 6:47.30
.Lamborghini Huracán Performante: 6:52.01
..................Porsche 991.2 GT3 RS MR: < 6:56.00 no official time yet
.........................Porsche 991.2 GT3 RS: 6:56.40
.............................Porsche 918 Spyder: 6:57.00
Lamborghini Aventador LP750-4 SV: 6:59.73

Shall I start with the winner of the hearts again? Smiley

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Oct 21, 2020 5:27:49 PM

Mithras: Expert; Loc: Toronto, Canada , Canada; Posts: 1981, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 16, 2005; Reply to: Topspeed

Re: AMG GT R

Topspeed:
Sub 7 min lap times

..................Porsche 991.2 GT2 RS MR: 6:40.33
......Mercedes-AMG GT Black Series: < 6:43.00 no official time yet
..............Lamborghini Aventador SVJ: 6:44.97
.........................Porsche 991.2 GT2 RS: 6:47.30
.Lamborghini Huracán Performante: 6:52.01
..................Porsche 991.2 GT3 RS MR: < 6:56.00 no official time yet
.........................Porsche 991.2 GT3 RS: 6:56.40
.............................Porsche 918 Spyder: 6:57.00
Lamborghini Aventador LP750-4 SV: 6:59.73

I"d love to see three lap averages of all of those cars. I would have to bet that the SVJ isn't doing a 6:45 on the third lap.

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