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    Shelby SuperCars (SSC) | Tuatara 1750HP, 331Mph, 532Km/h

    Tuatara

    the first example of the limited 100-unit production

    Provided that you fill the fuel tank with E85, you will have an impressive 1,750 horsepower available at your disposal, whereas running on 91 octane fuel will unleash 1,350 hp.

    the company believes that it can break the 300 mph (483 km/h) barrier, so it could eventually challenge the 304.77 mph (490.484 km/h) record set by Bugatti last year.

     


    Re: Shelby SuperCars (SSC) | Tuatara 1750HP, 331Mph, 532Km/h

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N22JfNHiC1k

    331Mph / 532Km/h angel

    Bugatti Chiron Super Sport 300+: 304Mph / 490Km/h


    Re: Shelby SuperCars (SSC) | Tuatara 1750HP, 331Mph, 532Km/h

    That is the average top speed of the SSC Tuatara after two consecutive high speed runs of 301.07 mph and 331.151 mph

    Average: 316Mph / 508Km/h

    Runs in opposite direction to "cancel" the wind effect.

    Bugatti run was only in one direction.


    Re: Shelby SuperCars (SSC) | Tuatara 1750HP, 331Mph, 532Km/h

    And it was still accelerating! 


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    Re: Shelby SuperCars (SSC) | Tuatara 1750HP, 331Mph, 532Km/h

    That horrible square corvette steering wheel. Ouch. Else, what’s not to love? 


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    Re: Shelby SuperCars (SSC) | Tuatara 1750HP, 331Mph, 532Km/h

    Bugatti run wasn’t valid anyway... 😉

    There is a little secret about that Tuatara run but I can’t tell you guys. 🥺 

    Only this: There was a second brand at the location to do a similar run. 👀


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    Re: Shelby SuperCars (SSC) | Tuatara 1750HP, 331Mph, 532Km/h

    pretty pointless to me - put a rocket on anything and it's fast....


    Re: Shelby SuperCars (SSC) | Tuatara 1750HP, 331Mph, 532Km/h

    BjoernB:

    pretty pointless to me - put a rocket on anything and it's fast....

    Of course it is pointless for us real sports car lovers but for small brands and their potential customers, this seems to be a "thing", for whatever reason. Like who has the biggest...or whatever. Smiley Smiley


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    RC:

    Bugatti run wasn’t valid anyway... 😉

    There is a little secret about that Tuatara run but I can’t tell you guys. 🥺 

    Only this: There was a second brand at the location to do a similar run. 👀


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    Jesko Absolut SmileySmiley


    Re: Shelby SuperCars (SSC) | Tuatara 1750HP, 331Mph, 532Km/h

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRF10diAzuE

    Jason Castriota is the designer of the fastest production car on Earth: the 331MPH SSC Tuatara. He also designed the Ferrari 599, Maserati Gran Turismo, Ferrari P4/5 by Pininfarina, and Saab Phoenix

     


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    It was wearing stock Michelin Cup 2 tyres, this really impresses me, always new they were a quality tyre.


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    And it was running on Dymag carbon wheels, the ones the Germans didn't want to get the TUV approval because they were "unsafe" angry


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    Re: Shelby SuperCars (SSC) | Tuatara 1750HP, 331Mph, 532Km/h

    TB993tt:

    And it was running on Dymag carbon wheels, the ones the Germans didn't want to get the TUV approval because they were "unsafe" angry

    Well, if they hold for a record run, everything is fine. If they don't...well, it was just a record run. Smiley

    Look at what happened to Zef Eisenberg... Smiley Poor soul, RIP but he probably didn't know when to stop, an adrenaline junkie. Smiley


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    Re: Shelby SuperCars (SSC) | Tuatara 1750HP, 331Mph, 532Km/h

    BOOM! Get your popcorn ready!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3daTG4_JS_4

    The SSC Tuatara claims to be the fastest car in the world, having recently hit a reported world record top speed for a production car of 331mph! However, the official video of the run poses many questions that introduce an element of doubt, so let's investigate and determine if everything is what it seems...

    SSC report that on 10th October, 2020, the Tuatara in production specification form broke a top speed record with one direction at 331.15mph and the other at 301.07mph for an average of 316.1mph - beating the previous record of the Koenigsegg Agera RS by 38.2mph (from 277.9mph). The runs took place on the very same road, the Nevada Highway 160 from the intersection with Tecopa Road with the Tuatara's fastest direction heading South-East towards Las Vegas and the slow speed on the return.

    After plenty of time spent viewing the videos and analysing the data presented from the run so far, let's calculate whether it's possible and investigate further into these numbers. There are a number of areas that don't quite add up; from the time travelling between the fixed medians on the road and the painted street markings, to the dashboard and telemetry data being out of sync, and also on the technical side with the engine and gearbox configuration.

    A further topic of discussion not mentioned is the noticeable lag between the shift points recorded by the telemetry data which can simply be seen coming a few seconds delayed in comparison to the visual cues of the shift and rev counter, plus the audible sound of the RPMs.

    This video asks questions, based on the information given so far. If there are answers, it would be fantastic to hear them and the accompanying data that lines up to prove that the record has indeed been broken.

    Comparative Data:

    Koenigsegg Agera RS 271.19mph in 5th Oct 2017
    Average run speed of 277.9mph
    Slower run SE, faster run NW of 284.55mph

    SSC Tuatara 331.15mph on 10th Oct 2020
    Average run speed of 316.1mph
    Faster run SE, slower run NW of 301.07mph

    Median Comparisons:

    Start to 1st median
    Distance: 1.69km / 1.05m
    Time: 38.18s = 99.5mph avg

    1st to 2nd median
    Distance: 1.81km / 1.13m
    Time: 22.64s = 179.7mph avg
    Entry at 192mph, exit at 307mph

    2nd to 3rd median
    Distance: 2.28km / 1.42m
    Time: 28.24s including a pause
    Pause is 3:82
    Total time: 24.40s = 209.5mph avg
    Entry at 307mph, exit at 242mph

    1st to 3rd
    Total excluding the pause is 47.39s = 195mph
    Entry at 194mph, exit at 242mph, 331mph along the way

     


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    Not only a friend was there and witnessed the whole thing, a second car manufacturer was there as well and they would have challenged the claim if it wasn't real. Just hot air if you ask me (the doubt).

    Maybe Shmee was pissed that he wasn't invited (or was he)? Smiley

    Or second theory: That second manufacturer was p.ss.d and they sent Shmee150 the data. The data he got is way too complex to be his own calculations, there is someone behind it. Someone who doesn't want to be named. Smiley


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    To be honest, this is the first video of Shmee that I have been able to watch, where he comes across as a real person and not an actor in Sesame Street.

    Apart from that, I appreciate the fact that in these kinds of markets, the stakes are huge. All it takes is one very decisive manager with the wrong idea that the record MUST be broken, no matter what it takes, and you're one step away from fraud. On the other hand, trying to compare data based on google maps guesstimates and edited footage with youtube's fantastic video compression... I don't know. I guess the right thing would have been to ask SSC for comments, before posting your video.

    Edit; I understand that the analyzed video was a Top Gear item? That the driver did the record run, got hit by a gust of wind which almost blew him off the road and claimed he would not ever repeat the attempt? That Top Gear, being a television show, is used to make multiple takes of an item and edit the final thing together? Might be more hot air than it seems at first.
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    Misha and Robert:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSNRKBj_hUE

     

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    Top gear(and Driven Plus) vs SSC North America. Both use the same video BUT it shows different speeds heart. Audio also seems to be modified.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZD6k4FOBWQ


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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlBkTLZtwBI

     


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    Statement from the owner of the car #1, which was used for this "record" https://www.instagram.com/p/CG3BCMLFT0C/

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    GPS company:

    Dewetron Says It 'Neither Approved Nor Validated' The SSC Tuatara's Run

    Austrian company Dewetron has said it was not directly involved in SSC's claimed 331mph run, despite claims in a press release from the latter


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    Driver(Oliver Webb) statement:  https://www.instagram.com/p/CG5O1zXhv6h/


    Re: Shelby SuperCars (SSC) | Tuatara 1750HP, 331Mph, 532Km/h

    SSC North America answer:

    Jerod Shelby Explains World Record

    The good news: we did it, and the numbers are indeed on our side.


    The bad news: only after the fact did we realize that the depiction of the speed run, in video form, had been substantially incorrect.

    Somehow, there was a mixup on the editing side, and I regret to admit that the SSC team hadn’t double checked the accuracy of the video before it was released. We also hadn’t realized that not one, but two different cockpit videos existed, and were shared with the world.


    Hypercar fans have quickly cried foul, and we hadn’t immediately responded, because we had not realized the inconsistencies -- that there were two videos, each with inaccurate information -- that had been shared. This was not our intention. Like me, the head of the production team had not initially realized these issues, and has brought on technical partners to identify the cause of the inconsistency.


    At first glance, it appears that the videos released have differences in where the editors had overlaid the data logger (which displays speed), in relation to the car's location on the run. That variance in ‘sync points’ accounts for differing records of the run.  

    Tuatara (Top Speed Model) Tech Specs

    Ratios/Speed, using the 2.92 final-drive ratio
    Gear Ratios/Top Speed (Gears 1-6 have 8,800 RPM REV LIMIT)
    1st Gear: 3.133 / 80.56 MPH
    2nd Gear: 2.100 / 120.18 MPH
    3rd Gear: 1.520 / 166.04 MPH
    4th Gear: 1.172 / 215.34 MPH
    5th Gear: .941 / 268.21 MPH
    6th Gear: .757 / 333.4 MPH @8800 *
    7th Gear: .625 / 353.33 MPH (Estimated max @7,700RPM in 7th gear - Designed as mainly an overdrive highway cruising gear)

    * FYI: Cross reference validations from data log-


    Oliver is travelling at 236mph when he shifts from 5th to 6th at 7,700RPM (which tracks almost exactly to the gear-ratio data) and he pushed close to the top of 6th achieving 331.1 MPH at 8,600 RPM which tracks with our theoretical of 333.4mph @ 8800 RPM.  

    OK, now this makes more sense. But if it wasn't the record attemp run...why we see such high numbers on the laptop in the passanger seat? It was supposed to be real-time GPS speed...


    Re: Shelby SuperCars (SSC) | Tuatara 1750HP, 331Mph, 532Km/h

    new details.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F13MrkZsl3c

     


    Re: Shelby SuperCars (SSC) | Tuatara 1750HP, 331Mph, 532Km/h

    I still believe these numbers were brought to the attention of Shmee out of anger. 👀

     


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    Re: Shelby SuperCars (SSC) | Tuatara 1750HP, 331Mph, 532Km/h

    Topspeed:

    new details.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F13MrkZsl3c

     

    Robert Mitchell and Misha went after the Performante as well, so... 😛 Mitchell hates Lamborghini, he said that once to a friend who met him. 👀


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    Re: Shelby SuperCars (SSC) | Tuatara 1750HP, 331Mph, 532Km/h

    RC, you can do the math yourself smiley

    After I watched the first Shmee video I did the math and his SSC average speed is correct.

    It's impossible to have a lower average speed than your lowest speed.

    1st to 2nd median
    Distance: 1.81km / 1.13m
    Time: 22.64s = 179.7mph avg ------------> 12.3mph lower than lowest speed
    Entry at 192mph, exit at 307mph

    2nd to 3rd median
    Distance: 2.28km / 1.42m
    Total time: 24.40s = 209.5mph avg ------------> 32.5mph lower than lowest speed
    Entry at 307mph, exit at 242mph

    The math for the Koenigsegg Agera RS in the same exact road and direction is fine. Higher average speed then lowest speed.

    Koenigsegg (my numbers, maybe a couple % off)

    Agera RS:


    1st to 2nd median
    Distance: 1.81km / 1.13m
    Time: 17s = 239.29mph avg ------------> 15.29mph higher than lowest speed
    Entry at 224mph, exit at 264mph

    2nd to 3rd median
    Distance: 2.28km / 1.42m
    Total time: 19s = 269.5mph avg ------------> 5.5mph higher than lowest speed
    Entry at 264mph, exit at 271mph

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLoFKcH7zGo

     


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    You can do all the math you want but everything you do is based on the released edited video and according to SSC, they, partially, used the wrong material.

    I do not say SSC didn’t cheat but since I suspect I know what this is all about, I think it would have been better to discuss this topic on a more non-public level before there were accusations. Maybe it happened and I just don’t know about it but I remember how the accusations against Lamborghini started and in the end, it was hot air since the run had been officially validated by a notary, similar to basically all record runs over the past couple of years on the Nordschleife.

    I am willing to give SSC the benefit of doubt here and we just need to wait until the telemetry and GPS data has been independently verified. It is my understanding that this is what is going on right now.

     

     

     


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    Re: Shelby SuperCars (SSC) | Tuatara 1750HP, 331Mph, 532Km/h

    RC, I know you are trying trying to defend your friend but you need to look at the facts. Sorry.

    Did your friend see the GPS data or just watched the car going down the road?

    This is way different to the huracan video. That was harder to analyse. This SSC video however, is very easy to see  theres something wrong with it.

    If you follow Shmee, you know he never says anything negative about any car. He just exposed this situation(which started on Facebook and Reddit) because it is unbelievable bad. Theres alot of people who make videos for a living so it's hard to fool them with such poorly edited videos.

    I'm not saying they didn't break the record but that video clearly doesn't match the GPS data shown in overlay/laptop and the run is very slow between the 3 medians.

    They could release the raw video + GPS data and it will be cleared right away. Simple.

    ....unless this is their bold marketing strategy


     
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