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Sep 8, 2020 5:30:00 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: y0ukz

Re: GT4RS

y0ukz:
As far as I know this car is gonna be Turbo Charged. I think is gonna just use a Carrera S engine with some tweaks. Might sound dissapointing but IMO makes sense to make a total different proposal than a GT3. Not NA and mid engine layout. PDK only too.

That's the info I have from some internal sources.... Let's see.

Well you are very very wrong in that regards I am sorry to say.

It totally didn't make sense to use the turbo engine and they have rejected that idea like 3 years ago, plumbing problem, packaging problem, etc. Perhaps check your sources?

I spent time up close and next to this car at Weissach. The only unknown right now is which 4.0L is in it.

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Sep 8, 2020 9:13:08 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59579, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: y0ukz

Re: GT4RS

y0ukz:
As far as I know this car is gonna be Turbo Charged. I think is gonna just use a Carrera S engine with some tweaks. Might sound dissapointing but IMO makes sense to make a total different proposal than a GT3. Not NA and mid engine layout. PDK only too.

That's the info I have from some internal sources.... Let's see.

Don't worry...n/a engine, no turbo. Sounds like crap too. Smiley Smiley

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Sep 9, 2020 8:47:41 PM

thierry: Co-Pilot; Loc: Luxemburg , Luxembourg; Posts: 190, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 1, 2005; Reply to: RC

Re: GT4RS

RC,

what makes you say that the sound is crap ? Did you try it ?

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Sep 9, 2020 9:26:23 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: thierry

Re: GT4RS

Particular filter.

But at least there is slightly more room in the Cayman body than a 911 body for routing exhaust.

In exchange for depressed exhaust note, the driver will hear more of the intake roar however. The rear quarter window panels are replaced with air intakes for the engine.

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Sep 10, 2020 9:24:55 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59579, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: thierry

Re: GT4RS

thierry:
RC,

what makes you say that the sound is crap ? Did you try it ?

I heard it...from the outside. Not my cup of tea but I may be biased or better said, spoiled. Smiley

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Sep 11, 2020 9:04:12 PM

y0ukz: Junior; Loc: Madrid; Posts: 80, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 9, 2006; Reply to: RC

Re: GT4RS

Well this info is from a guy that has driven the car but ok :) and that was 2 months ago

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Sep 11, 2020 9:09:40 PM

y0ukz: Junior; Loc: Madrid; Posts: 80, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 9, 2006; Reply to: y0ukz

Re: GT4RS

Also that 4.0 NA being considered for the Carrera T. Not confirmed yet.

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Sep 11, 2020 9:14:53 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: y0ukz

Re: GT4RS

y0ukz:
Well this info is from a guy that has driven the car...

Smiley

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Sep 11, 2020 9:49:46 PM

y0ukz: Junior; Loc: Madrid; Posts: 80, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 9, 2006; Reply to: bluelines

Re: GT4RS

To me it makes sense in order to make a total different proposal than a gt3. Mid engine and turbo. I still prefer a NA engine hopefully I am wrong, but that's my latest info.

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Sep 12, 2020 10:36:09 AM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21148, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: y0ukz

Re: GT4RS

y0ukz:
Also that 4.0 NA being considered for the Carrera T. Not confirmed yet.

I thought Preuninger said the 4.0NA would not fit the Carrera because it had to be rotated 180° and the cost to do this would make no sense? and would make even if its for the lower pricetag T version.

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Sep 12, 2020 4:37:46 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: y0ukz

Re: GT4RS

y0ukz:
Well this info is from a guy that has driven the car but ok :) and that was 2 months ago

So your guy either works at Weissach or Manthey then Smiley

Then he would know the 3.0L turbo flat 6 doesn't fit with the extra plumbing.

Did you asked him why Porsche developed a new NA engine for the GT4 but doesn't tune that and put that in the GT4RS Smiley

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Sep 12, 2020 5:00:50 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: GT4RS

Isn’t the new 4l the 3l without the turbos?

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Sep 13, 2020 5:39:32 AM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: bluelines

Re: GT4RS

bluelines:
Isn’t the new 4l the 3l without the turbos?

They share the same case, but quite a few differences

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Sep 13, 2020 8:46:53 PM

y0ukz: Junior; Loc: Madrid; Posts: 80, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 9, 2006; Reply to: Grant

Re: GT4RS

Hopefully I am wrong and is a NA! Would be awesome..! But that’s what the guy told me and he has driven the car at Nurburgring

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Sep 14, 2020 11:36:16 AM

thierry: Co-Pilot; Loc: Luxemburg , Luxembourg; Posts: 190, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 1, 2005; Reply to: y0ukz

Re: GT4RS

You need to change your source , or ask him to have some ear controls :-)

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Sep 14, 2020 3:30:44 PM

y0ukz: Junior; Loc: Madrid; Posts: 80, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 9, 2006; Reply to: thierry

Re: GT4RS

Well, maybe as professional racing driver and test driver might know how to differentiate a turbo engine from a NA after working for them several years but yes you might know better

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Sep 14, 2020 6:38:38 PM

Boxster Coupe GTS: Rennteam Master; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 5884, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 23, 2005; Reply to: y0ukz

Re: GT4RS

y0ukz:
Well, maybe as professional racing driver and test driver might know how to differentiate a turbo engine from a NA after working for them several years but yes you might know better

Listen to this Porsche Cayman GT4 RS testing at the Nurburgring...

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qFFu_N4XKg

...and tell us what engine it is running! Smiley

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Sep 14, 2020 6:46:16 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: Boxster Coupe GTS

Re: GT4RS

Boxster Coupe GTS:
y0ukz:
Well, maybe as professional racing driver and test driver might know how to differentiate a turbo engine from a NA after working for them several years but yes you might know better

Listen to this Porsche Cayman GT4 RS testing at the Nurburgring...

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qFFu_N4XKg

...and tell us what engine it is running!

To his 'friend', that's definitely sounded like a turbo car Smiley

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Sep 14, 2020 7:07:54 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: y0ukz

Re: GT4RS

y0ukz:
Well, maybe as professional racing driver and test driver might know how to differentiate a turbo engine from a NA after working for them several years but yes you might know better

Actually I think I do know better. Smiley

As I mentioned before, I was up close with the car at Weissach before. no one else had even a whiff of it coming back then. I was the one that mentioned it's existence first. Go search Rennlist's 718 GT4 thread if you want. And here also. must be like 2 years and a few months now. Afterwards press picked up the story and ran with it, until Porsche decided to show the prototype in public.

Way back then, that prototype had a GT3 tachometer installed in the car, and giant intake pipes from the rear side windows leading into a custom air box for the engine, pretty much taken up the whole trunk. At the time I thought they had installed the GT3 4.0L into it. I didn't know they had developed a brand new 4.0L for the GT4. A question was raised about the rotation direction of the GT3 engine for the gearbox. A wink was accompanying the reply that we are Porsche engineers, simple stuff.

Now that the 4.0L GT4 is out and making ~420hp from a restricted intake, safe to say the GT4RS with a much better intake track will make more comfortably.

The exhaust packaging and the particular filter gave it a different tone than what you thought of from a N/A car.

This car I told Walliser I wanted one on the spot at Weissch back then. Still waiting though Smiley

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Sep 14, 2020 9:16:04 PM

mcdelaug: Expert; Loc: Fort Worth, Texas , United States; Posts: 1912, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 3, 2004; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: GT4RS

I'm glad this car is being built, but Porsche's commitment to the mid-engine platform is still inadequate. There are Porsche enthusiasts (like me) who simply have zero interest in the 911 and are tired of waiting for Porsche to build a legitimate upgrade path for the Boxster / Cayman products.

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Sep 14, 2020 9:30:28 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: mcdelaug

Re: GT4RS

mcdelaug:
I'm glad this car is being built, but Porsche's commitment to the mid-engine platform is still inadequate. There are Porsche enthusiasts (like me) who simply have zero interest in the 911 and are tired of waiting for Porsche to build a legitimate upgrade path for the Boxster / Cayman products.

If you have zero interest in a 911, is it because of the extreme rear weight bias? If so, keep in mind that the PDK gearbox (sure to be mandatory in the GT4RS) adds 68 pounds to the Cayman/Boxster platform, much of this weight behind the rear axle.

And unlike the 911 with its multi-link rear suspension, the Boxster/Cayman has to manage this extra rear weight with a very compromised strut suspension (up until now). So, I'd be hoping the GT4 RS emulates the 911 a bit more (suspension-wise) Smiley

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Sep 14, 2020 9:33:47 PM

Mithras: Expert; Loc: Toronto, Canada , Canada; Posts: 1981, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 16, 2005; Reply to: mcdelaug

Re: GT4RS

mcdelaug:
I'm glad this car is being built, but Porsche's commitment to the mid-engine platform is still inadequate. There are Porsche enthusiasts (like me) who simply have zero interest in the 911 and are tired of waiting for Porsche to build a legitimate upgrade path for the Boxster / Cayman products.

I want a 928 replacement built on the Panamera platform too but what are you going to do... Smiley

Look at the 944/968. There were 14 968 Turbo S made and even then they weren't as fast as the fastest 911 at the time. I"ve driven plenty of 500hp+ 944 Turbo racecars and they are a joy to drive, great potential and chassis that Porsche refused to take to it's limit. those 944 Turbos has what 250hp? A simple chip and exhaust and they were faster than a 911 but Porsche wouldn't do it.

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Sep 15, 2020 12:23:55 AM

mcdelaug: Expert; Loc: Fort Worth, Texas , United States; Posts: 1912, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 3, 2004; Reply to: Mithras

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Grant it’s more disappointment with Porsche’s culture than their engineering. My 987S was a great car, especially considering the price and the competitive landscape in 2005. But Porsche’s expectation was that I abandon the mid-engine dynamics I enjoy to move into the 911. They passed on the 960. Clearly they think the mid-engine concept has value (CGT, 918) but they chose to protect the 911 by not developing the mid-engine cars. For me, this speaks to culture, and engineering was not the focus here. Now if I wanted a medium or compact SUV, a heavy GT car or a 0db EV car, then Porsche is who I need to speak to. But mid-engine that would compete with a V8 Ferrari or V10 Lambo? That’s a car they have chosen not to build.

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Sep 15, 2020 1:12:25 AM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: mcdelaug

Re: GT4RS

Makes sense kiss

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Sep 15, 2020 3:44:01 AM

the-missile: Rennteam Master; Loc: The World , France; Posts: 3484, Gallery; Registered on: May 10, 2014; Reply to: Grant

Re: GT4RS

the RS badge will deliver its usual performance package and that includes the suspension side of it smiley

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Sep 15, 2020 8:48:22 AM

996FourEss: Veteran; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 802, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 15, 2011; Reply to: the-missile

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A 960 with a flat eight would be perfect....

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Sep 15, 2020 8:52:25 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59579, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: mcdelaug

Re: GT4RS

mcdelaug:
I'm glad this car is being built, but Porsche's commitment to the mid-engine platform is still inadequate. There are Porsche enthusiasts (like me) who simply have zero interest in the 911 and are tired of waiting for Porsche to build a legitimate upgrade path for the Boxster / Cayman products.

Smiley How do you think I ended up in a R8 V10 Plus and afterwards in a Huracan Performante? Smiley

I was always a Porsche guy and badly wanted that "960" from them... Smiley Smiley

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Sep 15, 2020 11:26:07 PM

mcdelaug: Expert; Loc: Fort Worth, Texas , United States; Posts: 1912, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 3, 2004; Reply to: RC

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When I took my 981 GTS for service this week the advisor asked if I had seen the Taycan. I told him I wanted a RWD, mid-engine, naturally aspirated convertible without GPF, and did they have something like that? He just pointed at my car and kind of shrugged.

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Sep 15, 2020 11:32:07 PM

mcdelaug: Expert; Loc: Fort Worth, Texas , United States; Posts: 1912, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 3, 2004; Reply to: 996FourEss

Re: GT4RS

996FourEss:
A 960 with a flat eight would be perfect....

I would have been thrilled with a highly evolved Mezger power plant, maybe the 4 liter in the 2011 GT3RS4.0... Charge the same money, I would have gladly paid.

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Sep 26, 2020 4:14:00 AM

BONES: Co-Pilot; Loc:; Posts: 173, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 5, 2003; Reply to: mcdelaug

Re: GT4RS

Putting in some work at N'Ring

https://www.motor1.com/news/445928/porsche-cayman-gt4-rs-spy-video/

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