Crown

Categoría: BMW M Idioma: English Región: Worldwide Share/Save/Bookmark Close

Forum - Thread

    24-sep-2020 9:45:43

    the-missile Off-line
    Rennteam Master
    the-missile
    Loc: The World , Francia
    Posts: 3484, Gallery
    Registrado desde: 10-may-2014
    Reply to: Rossi

    Re: M3/M4 getting...

    Audi's all look the same.

    Mercedes all look the same.

    Now BMW is trying to differentiate from the stream and everyone is criticizing the trial. smiley

    I am sure in real life it looks better. Anyway the motorsport stickers and parts are for Fast and Furious guys but otherwise I am sure it will stay high in the food chain.


    --

    GT Lover, Porsche fan

    991.2 GT3 manual

    Cayenne GTS 2014

    24-sep-2020 11:17:07

    Carlos from SpainM
    Rennteam Moderator
    Carlos from Spain
    Loc: Spain. , España
    Posts: 21156, Gallery
    Registrado desde: 09-feb-2003
    Reply to: the-missile

    Re: M3/M4 getting...

    It's easy to make something different that is ugly, that has no merit.


    --

    ⇒ Carlos - Porsche 991 Carrera GTS

    24-sep-2020 11:42:52

    RCA
    Rennteam Administrator
    RC
    Loc: Rennteam HQ , Alemania
    Posts: 59606, Gallery
    Registrado desde: 26-mar-2002
    Reply to: the-missile

    Re: M3/M4 getting...

    the-missile:

    Audi's all look the same.

    Mercedes all look the same.

    Now BMW is trying to differentiate from the stream and everyone is criticizing the trial. smiley

    I am sure in real life it looks better. Anyway the motorsport stickers and parts are for Fast and Furious guys but otherwise I am sure it will stay high in the food chain.

    The new 3 series looks like a Japanese car from behind, I always confuse it. Smiley


    --

    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Lamborghini Huracan Performante (2019), Mercedes GLC63 S AMG (2020), Mercedes C63 S AMG Cab (2019), Range Rover Evoque Si4 Black Edition (2019)

    24-sep-2020 11:56:33

    spudgun
    Veteran
    spudgun
    Loc: Belgium , Bélgica
    Posts: 1213, Gallery
    Registrado desde: 08-nov-2006
    Reply to: Carlos from SpainM

    Re: M3/M4 getting...

    Carlos from Spain:

    It's easy to make something different that is ugly, that has no merit.

    So does staying on the same path without taking risk Smiley


    --

    997.2 4S / BMW 745e / Donkervoort GT 

    24-sep-2020 12:12:37

    reginos
    Rennteam VIP
    reginos
    Loc: Nicosia , Chipre
    Posts: 12130, Gallery
    Registrado desde: 20-mar-2005
    Reply to: spudgun

    Re: M3/M4 getting...

    The BMW 4 is very acceptable in terms of looks in real life. Maybe not everybody's favourite design (and which one is everybody's choice?) but OTOH far from unacceptable and ugly. Over the years BMW have tried all sorts of front grilles, so why not add this one to the big variety?

    The M3/M4 front looks even more attractive (judging from pictures) with the grille installed a bit deeper into the body without the pronounced surround.

    I think the 4 series will sell very well for BMW because it has a lot of presence, it is distanced further from the saloon/sedan 3 series model and it has a lot of affordable performance from the typically cultivated BMW drivetrains.

    These M performance accessories as in pictures above are in bad taste mostly but for BMW to offer there must a market for them. I've seen many of these type of "tuned" cars in Germany, so why shouldn't the manufacturer make some money from his own collection?


    --

     

    "Porsche....and Nothing else matters"

     

    24-sep-2020 12:56:27

    Topspeed
    Rennteam Pro
    Topspeed
    Loc: Portugal , Portugal
    Posts: 2992, Gallery
    Registrado desde: 14-jun-2014
    Reply to: reginos

    Re: M3/M4 getting...

    24-sep-2020 13:47:48

    bridggar
    Veteran
    bridggar
    Loc: UK , Reino Unido
    Posts: 1223, Gallery
    Registrado desde: 25-may-2007
    Reply to: Topspeed

    Re: M3/M4 getting...

    ruined the c pillar. supposed iconic design now emulates an audi A5? 


    --

    991 Carrera Black Edition, X3 Black\Black - 2 kids, 1 dog

    24-sep-2020 13:59:10

    bluelines
    Rennteam VIP
    bluelines
    Loc: Argovia , Suiza
    Posts: 11655, Gallery
    Registrado desde: 29-abr-2005
    Reply to: Carlos from SpainM

    Re: M3/M4 getting...

    Carlos from Spain:

    It's easy to make something different that is ugly, that has no merit.

    Smiley

    How true.


    --

    2016 Porsche 981 GT4 | Racing Yellow
    2018 Audi S6 Avant | Ibis White

    24-sep-2020 14:31:51

    reginos
    Rennteam VIP
    reginos
    Loc: Nicosia , Chipre
    Posts: 12130, Gallery
    Registrado desde: 20-mar-2005
    Reply to: bridggar

    Re: M3/M4 getting...

    bridggar:

    ruined the c pillar. supposed iconic design now emulates an audi A5? 

    "Hofmeister Kink or Knick"  is the name of that feature that started in 1961. It  was used on numerous models but it was diluted over the last decade.

    The C pillar on the 4 was made to resemble the 8. Overall it seems they want the 4 to look like a small 8. The 8 being an aspirational model for BMW customers..


    --

    "Porsche....and Nothing else matters"

    25-sep-2020 2:22:24

    4trac Off-line
    Expert
    4trac
    Loc: SK , Canadá
    Posts: 1920, Gallery
    Registrado desde: 06-nov-2006
    Reply to: the-missile

    Re: M3/M4 getting...

    the-missile:

    Audi's all look the same.

    Mercedes all look the same.

    Now BMW is trying to differentiate from the stream and everyone is criticizing the trial. smiley

    Yes, the RT-meisters are notoriously conservative re. styling.... more important to BMW will be how the YT-meisters view it...    YT influencers, influence away.... Smiley


    --

    2017 Range Rover Sport S/C,  2019 Porsche 911 Turbo

    25-sep-2020 11:36:14

    996FourEss Off-line
    Veteran
    996FourEss
    Loc: London , Reino Unido
    Posts: 809, Gallery
    Registrado desde: 15-ago-2011
    Reply to: 4trac

    Re: M3/M4 getting...

    Agree i think they messed up the c-pillar. At least they finally put decent diameter exhaust pipes on it.....

    25-sep-2020 11:59:02

    Boxster Coupe GTS
    Rennteam Master
    Boxster Coupe GTS
    Loc: UK , Reino Unido
    Posts: 5886, Gallery
    Registrado desde: 23-feb-2005
    Reply to: 996FourEss

    Re: M3/M4 getting...

    A couple of examples of how BMW could and should improve the design... Smiley

    1F1F7BBE-76F1-4598-B8A9-E6FC5975724A.jpeg

    Smiley

    27-sep-2020 0:18:23

    RCA
    Rennteam Administrator
    RC
    Loc: Rennteam HQ , Alemania
    Posts: 59606, Gallery
    Registrado desde: 26-mar-2002
    Reply to: Boxster Coupe GTS

    Re: M3/M4 getting...

    4678794D-344C-4AD7-9DF5-692BA9C2E4A4.jpeg
    340E2428-9111-4385-BF87-BB5A086D5BD1.jpeg

    M Performance parts...the M3 looks hideous, the M4 so and so.

     


    --

     

    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Lamborghini Huracan Performante (2019), Mercedes GLC63 S AMG (2020), Mercedes C63 S AMG Cab (2019), Range Rover Evoque Si4 Black Edition (2019)

     

    27-sep-2020 23:19:10

    rhino
    Rennteam Pro
    rhino
    Loc: Island , Santa Lucia
    Posts: 2875, Gallery
    Registrado desde: 26-ene-2006
    Reply to: RCA

    Re: M3/M4 getting...

    What a fail...

    28-sep-2020 17:20:44

    Mithras
    Expert
    Mithras
    Loc: Toronto, Canada , Canadá
    Posts: 1981, Gallery
    Registrado desde: 16-mar-2005
    Reply to: Boxster Coupe GTS

    Re: M3/M4 getting...

    Boxster Coupe GTS:

    A couple of examples of how BMW could and should improve the design... Smiley

    1F1F7BBE-76F1-4598-B8A9-E6FC5975724A.jpeg

    Smiley

    The degree that the photoshopped ones are better than the real one are stunning. 


    --

    Past-President, Porsche Club of America - Upper Canada Region

    28-sep-2020 17:51:21

    bluelines
    Rennteam VIP
    bluelines
    Loc: Argovia , Suiza
    Posts: 11655, Gallery
    Registrado desde: 29-abr-2005
    Reply to: Mithras

    Re: M3/M4 getting...

    64355480-8400-4042-969A-EA587F45814A.jpeg


    --

    2016 Porsche 981 GT4 | Racing Yellow
    2018 Audi S6 Avant | Ibis White

    20-oct-2020 14:14:19

    Topspeed
    Rennteam Pro
    Topspeed
    Loc: Portugal , Portugal
    Posts: 2992, Gallery
    Registrado desde: 14-jun-2014
    Reply to: bluelines

    Re: M3/M4 getting...

    20-oct-2020 14:51:24

    RCA
    Rennteam Administrator
    RC
    Loc: Rennteam HQ , Alemania
    Posts: 59606, Gallery
    Registrado desde: 26-mar-2002
    Reply to: Topspeed

    Re: M3/M4 getting...

    Smiley


    --

    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Lamborghini Huracan Performante (2019), Mercedes GLC63 S AMG (2020), Mercedes C63 S AMG Cab (2019), Range Rover Evoque Si4 Black Edition (2019)

    20-oct-2020 15:01:09

    Porker
    Rennteam VIP
    Porker
    Loc: SZ , Suiza
    Posts: 7065, Gallery
    Registrado desde: 17-ene-2005
    Reply to: RCA

    Re: M3/M4 getting...


    --

    1969 Mercedes-Benz 300SEL 6.3  / 2020 Mercedes-AMG C63 / 2018 Porsche 911 GT3 Clubsport

    20-oct-2020 18:54:37

    Carlos from SpainM
    Rennteam Moderator
    Carlos from Spain
    Loc: Spain. , España
    Posts: 21156, Gallery
    Registrado desde: 09-feb-2003
    Reply to: Topspeed

    Re: M3/M4 getting...

    those chops are brilliant Smiley


    --

    ⇒ Carlos - Porsche 991 Carrera GTS

    21-oct-2020 0:31:11

    4trac Off-line
    Expert
    4trac
    Loc: SK , Canadá
    Posts: 1920, Gallery
    Registrado desde: 06-nov-2006
    Reply to: Carlos from SpainM

    Re: M3/M4 getting...

    Haha, Bugs Bunny evolved....smiley


    --

    2017 Range Rover Sport S/C,  2019 Porsche 911 Turbo

    21-oct-2020 11:05:45

    BjoernB
    Rennteam Master
    BjoernB
    Loc: Switzerland , Suiza
    Posts: 4100, Gallery
    Registrado desde: 19-oct-2004
    Reply to: 4trac

    Re: M3/M4 getting...

    retrofitable I hope indecision

    21-oct-2020 13:30:29

    Topspeed
    Rennteam Pro
    Topspeed
    Loc: Portugal , Portugal
    Posts: 2992, Gallery
    Registrado desde: 14-jun-2014
    Reply to: BjoernB

    Re: M3/M4 getting...

    Prior Design is working on a new bumper for the M3/M4.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0Z7rbEcrLo

     

    I bet they will sell alot of these.

    21-oct-2020 13:39:04

    Porker
    Rennteam VIP
    Porker
    Loc: SZ , Suiza
    Posts: 7065, Gallery
    Registrado desde: 17-ene-2005
    Reply to: Topspeed

    Re: M3/M4 getting...

    The overall design is bad imho, not just the horrid nose.

    Compare this to the elegance of the E46...


    --

    1969 Mercedes-Benz 300SEL 6.3  / 2020 Mercedes-AMG C63 / 2018 Porsche 911 GT3 Clubsport

    25-oct-2020 4:57:11

    CGX car nut
    Rennteam Master
    CGX car nut
    Loc: NWI , Estados Unidos
    Posts: 5194, Gallery
    Registrado desde: 17-ago-2011
    Reply to: Porker

    Re: M3/M4 getting...

    The local dealership received their first allotment of the new 4 series and the car in the metal isn’t anywhere as bad as the Internet leads one to believe. There’s a softness or anonymity about the rear 3/4 view caused by the lack of a strong character line but it fits in with the overall new design language.  Even the larger grille is well proportioned with respect to the other elements of the car’s front. It’s different but not offensive.  A new M4 would make a great addition to the garage. 

    25-oct-2020 11:05:00

    rhino
    Rennteam Pro
    rhino
    Loc: Island , Santa Lucia
    Posts: 2875, Gallery
    Registrado desde: 26-ene-2006
    Reply to: Topspeed

    Re: M3/M4 getting...

    Prior design makes the front end much more palatable IMO hmmm.gif

    25-oct-2020 19:35:47

    CGX car nut
    Rennteam Master
    CGX car nut
    Loc: NWI , Estados Unidos
    Posts: 5194, Gallery
    Registrado desde: 17-ago-2011
    Reply to: rhino

    Re: M3/M4 getting...

    rhino:

    Prior design makes the front end much more palatable IMO hmmm.gif

    Have you seen the car in person?  If not, wait until you see it.  The new grille while larger than before sits low in relation to the previous variants.  That makes a big difference in appearance. 

    26-oct-2020 0:03:51

    rhino
    Rennteam Pro
    rhino
    Loc: Island , Santa Lucia
    Posts: 2875, Gallery
    Registrado desde: 26-ene-2006
    Reply to: CGX car nut

    Re: M3/M4 getting...

    I have not and will hold final judgement till thenkiss

    28-oct-2020 13:47:27

    reginos
    Rennteam VIP
    reginos
    Loc: Nicosia , Chipre
    Posts: 12130, Gallery
    Registrado desde: 20-mar-2005
    Reply to: CGX car nut

    Re: M3/M4 getting...

    CGX car nut:
    rhino:

    Prior design makes the front end much more palatable IMO hmmm.gif

    Have you seen the car in person?  If not, wait until you see it.  The new grille while larger than before sits low in relation to the previous variants.  That makes a big difference in appearance. 

     +1

    I agree with you. I like the look of the new 4 very much after seeing it in reality. The new M3/M4 front looks even better with the recessed grille..

    A point of interest is that in the new M3/M4, BMW are using torque converter autos instead of the previous generation's DCT. I believe this is something that will be debated among enthusiasts.. TC autos are generally more expensive than DCTs so it was not a matter of economizing on behalf of BMW.

    M Division engineers state that their new auto gearboxes leave nothing to be desired compared to DCTs in terms of gearshift speed in both Auto and Manual modes and at the same time they have the known advantages in everyday driving.

    Definitely DCT are not as robust as TCs but they are generally lighter..

     

    "Porsche....and Nothing else matters"

     

    28-oct-2020 15:05:11

    Ferdie
    Rennteam VIP
    Ferdie
    Loc: Europe , Alemania
    Posts: 8235, Gallery
    Registrado desde: 02-jul-2004
    Reply to: reginos

    Re: M3/M4 getting...

    https://youtu.be/7NHkqq1PWco

     
    Edit

    Forum

    1. Todo 

    Foro

     
    Categoría Titulo Last post Valoración Visitas Respuestas
    Porsche Sticky SUN'S LAST RUN TO WILSON, WY - 991 C2S CAB LIFE, END OF AN ERA (Part II) 15/05/24 8:44
    art.italy     		804303 1808
    Porsche Sticky Welcome to Rennteam: Cars and Coffee... (photos) 7/04/24 11:48
    Boxster Coupe GTS     		448796 565
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: Porsche 911 (992) GT3 RS - 2022 12/03/24 8:28
    DJM48     		266471 323
    Porsche Sticky The new Macan: the first all-electric SUV from Porsche 30/01/24 9:18
    RCA     		90201 45
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: Taycan 2024 Facelift 15/03/24 13:23
    CGX car nut     		6812 50
    Porsche The moment I've been waiting for... 1/02/24 19:01
    Pilot
     
     
     
     
     
    		 886210 1364
    Porsche 992 GT3 23/07/23 19:01
    Grant     		834786 3868
    Porsche GT4RS 21/04/24 11:50
    mcdelaug     		400208 1454
    Porsche Welcome to the new Taycan Forum! 10/02/24 16:43
    nberry     		396270 1526
    Otros Tesla 2 the new thread 13/12/23 14:48
    CGX car nut     		383577 2401
    Porsche Donor vehicle for Singer Vehicle Design 3/07/23 12:30
    Porker     		371100 797
    Porsche Red Nipples 991.2 GT3 Touring on tour 12/05/24 18:23
    blueflame     		293719 669
    Porsche Collected my 997 GTS today 19/10/23 19:06
    CGX car nut
     
     
     
     
     
    		 266189 812
    Lambo Huracán EVO STO 30/07/23 18:59
    mcdelaug     		244167 346
    Lotus Lotus Emira 25/06/23 14:53
    Enmanuel     		238720 101
    Otros Corvette C8 16/10/23 15:24
    Enmanuel     		222467 488
    Otros Gordon Murray - T.50 22/11/23 10:27
    mcdelaug     		173246 387
    Porsche Back to basics - 996 GT3 RS 11/06/23 17:13
    CGX car nut     		145038 144
    BMW M 2024 BMW M3 CS Official Now 29/12/23 9:04
    RCA     		121251 303
    Motorsp. 2023 Formula One 19/12/23 5:38
    WhoopsyM     		112032 685
    Porsche 2022 992 Safari Model 7/03/24 16:22
    WhoopsyM     		85779 239
    AMG Mercedes-Benz W124 500E aka Porsche typ 2758 23/02/24 22:03
    blueflame     		75994 297
    Porsche 992 GT3 RS 3/03/24 19:22
    WhoopsyM     		55032 314
    Motorsp. Porsche 963 16/05/24 23:43
    mcdelaug     		26693 248
    Ferrari Ferrari 296 GTB (830PS, Hybrid V6) 21/01/24 16:29
    GT-Boy     		21815 103
    BMW M 2022 BMW M5 CS 8/04/24 13:43
    Ferdie     		20339 140
    AMG G63 sold out 15/09/23 19:38
    Nico997     		17173 120
    AMG [2022] Mercedes-AMG SL 23/04/24 13:24
    RCA     		14584 225
    Motorsp. 24-Hour race Nürburgring 2018 25/05/23 22:42
    Grant     		11611 55
    Porsche Porsche Mission X Hypercar 3/12/23 8:52
    996FourEss     		11208 63
    123 elementos encontrados, mostrando 1 de 30.