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24.09.2020 09:45:43

the-missile: Rennteam Master; Loc: The World , Frankreich; Beiträge: 3484, Gallery; Registriert: 10.05.2014; Antwort auf: Rossi

Re: M3/M4 getting...

Audi's all look the same.

Mercedes all look the same.

Now BMW is trying to differentiate from the stream and everyone is criticizing the trial. smiley

I am sure in real life it looks better. Anyway the motorsport stickers and parts are for Fast and Furious guys but otherwise I am sure it will stay high in the food chain.

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24.09.2020 11:17:07

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spanien; Beiträge: 21156, Gallery; Registriert: 09.02.2003; Antwort auf: the-missile

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It's easy to make something different that is ugly, that has no merit.

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24.09.2020 11:42:52

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Deutschland; Beiträge: 59607, Gallery; Registriert: 26.03.2002; Antwort auf: the-missile

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the-missile:
Audi's all look the same.

Mercedes all look the same.

Now BMW is trying to differentiate from the stream and everyone is criticizing the trial.

I am sure in real life it looks better. Anyway the motorsport stickers and parts are for Fast and Furious guys but otherwise I am sure it will stay high in the food chain.

The new 3 series looks like a Japanese car from behind, I always confuse it. Smiley

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24.09.2020 11:56:33

spudgun: Veteran; Loc: Belgium , Belgien; Beiträge: 1214, Gallery; Registriert: 08.11.2006; Antwort auf: Carlos from Spain

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Carlos from Spain:
It's easy to make something different that is ugly, that has no merit.

So does staying on the same path without taking risk Smiley

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24.09.2020 12:12:37

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Zypern; Beiträge: 12130, Gallery; Registriert: 20.03.2005; Antwort auf: spudgun

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The BMW 4 is very acceptable in terms of looks in real life. Maybe not everybody's favourite design (and which one is everybody's choice?) but OTOH far from unacceptable and ugly. Over the years BMW have tried all sorts of front grilles, so why not add this one to the big variety?

The M3/M4 front looks even more attractive (judging from pictures) with the grille installed a bit deeper into the body without the pronounced surround.

I think the 4 series will sell very well for BMW because it has a lot of presence, it is distanced further from the saloon/sedan 3 series model and it has a lot of affordable performance from the typically cultivated BMW drivetrains.

These M performance accessories as in pictures above are in bad taste mostly but for BMW to offer there must a market for them. I've seen many of these type of "tuned" cars in Germany, so why shouldn't the manufacturer make some money from his own collection?

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24.09.2020 12:56:27

Topspeed: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Portugal , Portugal; Beiträge: 2992, Gallery; Registriert: 14.06.2014; Antwort auf: reginos

24.09.2020 13:47:48

bridggar: Veteran; Loc: UK , Vereinigtes Königreich; Beiträge: 1223, Gallery; Registriert: 25.05.2007; Antwort auf: Topspeed

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ruined the c pillar. supposed iconic design now emulates an audi A5?

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24.09.2020 13:59:10

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Schweiz; Beiträge: 11655, Gallery; Registriert: 29.04.2005; Antwort auf: Carlos from Spain

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Carlos from Spain:
It's easy to make something different that is ugly, that has no merit.

Smiley

How true.

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24.09.2020 14:31:51

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Zypern; Beiträge: 12130, Gallery; Registriert: 20.03.2005; Antwort auf: bridggar

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bridggar:
ruined the c pillar. supposed iconic design now emulates an audi A5?

"Hofmeister Kink or Knick" is the name of that feature that started in 1961. It was used on numerous models but it was diluted over the last decade.

The C pillar on the 4 was made to resemble the 8. Overall it seems they want the 4 to look like a small 8. The 8 being an aspirational model for BMW customers..

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25.09.2020 02:22:24

4trac: Expert; Loc: SK , Kanada; Beiträge: 1920, Gallery; Registriert: 06.11.2006; Antwort auf: the-missile

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the-missile:
Audi's all look the same.

Mercedes all look the same.

Now BMW is trying to differentiate from the stream and everyone is criticizing the trial.

Yes, the RT-meisters are notoriously conservative re. styling.... more important to BMW will be how the YT-meisters view it... YT influencers, influence away.... Smiley

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25.09.2020 11:36:14

996FourEss: Veteran; Loc: London , Vereinigtes Königreich; Beiträge: 809, Gallery; Registriert: 15.08.2011; Antwort auf: 4trac

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Agree i think they messed up the c-pillar. At least they finally put decent diameter exhaust pipes on it.....

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25.09.2020 11:59:02

Boxster Coupe GTS: Rennteam Master; Loc: UK , Vereinigtes Königreich; Beiträge: 5886, Gallery; Registriert: 23.02.2005; Antwort auf: 996FourEss

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A couple of examples of how BMW could and should improve the design... Smiley

Smiley

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27.09.2020 00:18:23

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Deutschland; Beiträge: 59607, Gallery; Registriert: 26.03.2002; Antwort auf: Boxster Coupe GTS

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M Performance parts...the M3 looks hideous, the M4 so and so.

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27.09.2020 23:19:10

rhino: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Island , St. Lucia; Beiträge: 2877, Gallery; Registriert: 26.01.2006; Antwort auf: RC

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What a fail...

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28.09.2020 17:20:44

Mithras: Expert; Loc: Toronto, Canada , Kanada; Beiträge: 1981, Gallery; Registriert: 16.03.2005; Antwort auf: Boxster Coupe GTS

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Boxster Coupe GTS:
A couple of examples of how BMW could and should improve the design...

The degree that the photoshopped ones are better than the real one are stunning.

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28.09.2020 17:51:21

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20.10.2020 14:14:19

Topspeed: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Portugal , Portugal; Beiträge: 2992, Gallery; Registriert: 14.06.2014; Antwort auf: bluelines

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20.10.2020 14:51:24

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Deutschland; Beiträge: 59607, Gallery; Registriert: 26.03.2002; Antwort auf: Topspeed

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Smiley

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20.10.2020 15:01:09

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20.10.2020 18:54:37

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spanien; Beiträge: 21156, Gallery; Registriert: 09.02.2003; Antwort auf: Topspeed

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those chops are brilliant Smiley

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21.10.2020 00:31:11

4trac: Expert; Loc: SK , Kanada; Beiträge: 1920, Gallery; Registriert: 06.11.2006; Antwort auf: Carlos from Spain

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Haha, Bugs Bunny evolved.... smiley

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21.10.2020 11:05:45

BjoernB: Rennteam Master; Loc: Switzerland , Schweiz; Beiträge: 4100, Gallery; Registriert: 19.10.2004; Antwort auf: 4trac

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retrofitable I hope indecision

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21.10.2020 13:30:29

Topspeed: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Portugal , Portugal; Beiträge: 2992, Gallery; Registriert: 14.06.2014; Antwort auf: BjoernB

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Prior Design is working on a new bumper for the M3/M4.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0Z7rbEcrLo

I bet they will sell alot of these.

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21.10.2020 13:39:04

Porker: Rennteam VIP; Loc: SZ , Schweiz; Beiträge: 7068, Gallery; Registriert: 17.01.2005; Antwort auf: Topspeed

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The overall design is bad imho, not just the horrid nose.

Compare this to the elegance of the E46...

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25.10.2020 04:57:11

CGX car nut: Rennteam Master; Loc: NWI , Vereinigte Staaten von Amerika; Beiträge: 5196, Gallery; Registriert: 17.08.2011; Antwort auf: Porker

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The local dealership received their first allotment of the new 4 series and the car in the metal isn’t anywhere as bad as the Internet leads one to believe. There’s a softness or anonymity about the rear 3/4 view caused by the lack of a strong character line but it fits in with the overall new design language. Even the larger grille is well proportioned with respect to the other elements of the car’s front. It’s different but not offensive. A new M4 would make a great addition to the garage.

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25.10.2020 11:05:00

rhino: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Island , St. Lucia; Beiträge: 2877, Gallery; Registriert: 26.01.2006; Antwort auf: Topspeed

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Prior design makes the front end much more palatable IMO

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25.10.2020 19:35:47

CGX car nut: Rennteam Master; Loc: NWI , Vereinigte Staaten von Amerika; Beiträge: 5196, Gallery; Registriert: 17.08.2011; Antwort auf: rhino

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rhino:
Prior design makes the front end much more palatable IMO

Have you seen the car in person? If not, wait until you see it. The new grille while larger than before sits low in relation to the previous variants. That makes a big difference in appearance.

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26.10.2020 00:03:51

rhino: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Island , St. Lucia; Beiträge: 2877, Gallery; Registriert: 26.01.2006; Antwort auf: CGX car nut

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I have not and will hold final judgement till then kiss

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28.10.2020 13:47:27

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Zypern; Beiträge: 12130, Gallery; Registriert: 20.03.2005; Antwort auf: CGX car nut

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CGX car nut:
rhino:
Prior design makes the front end much more palatable IMO

Have you seen the car in person? If not, wait until you see it. The new grille while larger than before sits low in relation to the previous variants. That makes a big difference in appearance.

+1

I agree with you. I like the look of the new 4 very much after seeing it in reality. The new M3/M4 front looks even better with the recessed grille..

A point of interest is that in the new M3/M4, BMW are using torque converter autos instead of the previous generation's DCT. I believe this is something that will be debated among enthusiasts.. TC autos are generally more expensive than DCTs so it was not a matter of economizing on behalf of BMW.

M Division engineers state that their new auto gearboxes leave nothing to be desired compared to DCTs in terms of gearshift speed in both Auto and Manual modes and at the same time they have the known advantages in everyday driving.

Definitely DCT are not as robust as TCs but they are generally lighter..

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28.10.2020 15:05:11

Ferdie: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Europe , Deutschland; Beiträge: 8235, Gallery; Registriert: 02.07.2004; Antwort auf: reginos

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