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Sep 13, 2020 4:04:26 PM

CGX car nut: Rennteam Master; Loc: NWI , United States; Posts: 5176, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 17, 2011; Reply to: Topspeed

Re: [2020] Formula 1

Hamilton is one of the greatest drivers in Formula 1 and truly earned his victory today. However, at times he acts without much thought. Today, on the podium, is another example. This type of political commentary has no place in a sporting venue, especially an international one where U.S. participation is marginal. This is a localized matter and many media accounts have disregarded or wrongly provided statements about it. It simply has no place on podium at Mugello.

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Sep 13, 2020 4:41:41 PM

Topspeed: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Portugal , Portugal; Posts: 2992, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 14, 2014; Reply to: CGX car nut

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I agree. That political message was unnecessary.

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Sep 13, 2020 6:44:33 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: Topspeed

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These guys holds FIA's Super Licenses. Top ranked among FIA's multiple level of licensing. They would have know the FIA's rule book by heart.

Yet, they don't seems to understands how to do a safety car restarts 🤦🏻‍♂️ Even me as a amateur knows no passing until the start/finish line and the car directly in front of you controls what you can or cannot do, there is no other ways around it.

This circuit is part of the Swiss Cup rotation, and those amateurs do much better job on restarts than these professionals.

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Sep 13, 2020 7:59:14 PM

Topspeed: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Portugal , Portugal; Posts: 2992, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 14, 2014; Reply to: Whoopsy

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Sep 14, 2020 5:36:44 AM

DJM48: Expert; Loc: Australia , Australia; Posts: 1720, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2015; Reply to: Topspeed

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Dramatic race.

Disappointed Cyril Abiteboul avoided his first tattoo but good to see Albon break the podium drought.

I do not think anyone at the back was trying to overtake in contravention of the regulations, though they were at full throttle with a view to crossing the start/finish line at speed to avoid getting left behind by those in front who were also on the throttle.

Effectively the remaining 13-14 laps post second red flag were a sprint race and as racing drivers they went for it.

"There were effectively two starts going on there and the second start met up with the first one before they accelerated," said Sky F1's Martin Brundle.

I can see exactly the same thing happening again as current regulations do not specifically prohibit the behaviour. Will be interesting to see what regulation changes are enacted. It has happened before (Brazil 2019) and it is lucky no one was injured (again) this time.

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Sep 14, 2020 8:47:26 AM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: DJM48

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The main problem is some of the mid field cars didn’t want to get jumped by cars from behind so they slow down just before the start/finish line and leave a gap in front.

The thinking was partially correct, but the problem is that they don’t dictate the start, Bottas does.

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Sep 14, 2020 10:53:28 AM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: Topspeed

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Topspeed:
I agree. That political message was unnecessary.

I don't think the issue is simply political. Ii might have been brought back to the forefront following the controversy in Minneapolis (and the facts are disputed) but racism at large is a huge human, sociological problem.

Irrespective of whether or not these USA police stories are absolutely true or exaggerated we all know that there is racism and prejudice and belittlement of black people everywhere in the world which is unfair and that was the intended focus of Hamilton's message.

Why would someone like Hamilton who is just paid to drive fast in circles, become involved? Because he is a talented guy of black roots with many fans and admirers and his stance on matters if it becomes known, it might help publicize a serious social handicap for millions of our fellow human beings..

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Sep 14, 2020 1:20:18 PM

CGX car nut: Rennteam Master; Loc: NWI , United States; Posts: 5176, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 17, 2011; Reply to: reginos

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reginos:
Topspeed:
I agree. That political message was unnecessary.

I don't think the issue is simply political. Ii might have been brought back to the forefront following the controversy in Minneapolis (and the facts are disputed) but racism at large is a huge human, sociological problem.

Irrespective of whether or not these USA police stories are absolutely true or exaggerated we all know that there is racism and prejudice and belittlement of black people everywhere in the world which is unfair and that was the intended focus of Hamilton's message.

Why would someone like Hamilton who is just paid to drive fast in circles, become involved? Because he is a talented guy of black roots with many fans and admirers and his stance on matters if it becomes known, it might help publicize a serious social handicap for millions of our fellow human beings..

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Fine. Let Hamilton be outspoken on his own time. He was sharing the podium with two other drivers and that time is for their achievements. It is not the time to make a political statement for something he doesn’t know much about, just like this forum is not an appropriate place for that debate either.

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Sep 14, 2020 1:33:45 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: CGX car nut

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CGX car nut:
reginos:
Topspeed:
I agree. That political message was unnecessary.

I don't think the issue is simply political. Ii might have been brought back to the forefront following the controversy in Minneapolis (and the facts are disputed) but racism at large is a huge human, sociological problem.

Irrespective of whether or not these USA police stories are absolutely true or exaggerated we all know that there is racism and prejudice and belittlement of black people everywhere in the world which is unfair and that was the intended focus of Hamilton's message.

Why would someone like Hamilton who is just paid to drive fast in circles, become involved? Because he is a talented guy of black roots with many fans and admirers and his stance on matters if it becomes known, it might help publicize a serious social handicap for millions of our fellow human beings..

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Fine. Let Hamilton be outspoken on his own time. He was sharing the podium with two other drivers and that time is for their achievements. It is not the time to make a political statement for something he doesn’t know much about, just like this forum is not an appropriate place for that debate either.

I concur on the last point.

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Sep 14, 2020 1:40:56 PM

CGX car nut: Rennteam Master; Loc: NWI , United States; Posts: 5176, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 17, 2011; Reply to: reginos

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By similar argument, a political debate is not appropriate for a Formula One race either. You can’t selectively pick and choose one over the other: Hamilton’s actions were inappropriate at that time. If he wants to make a political statement let him do it on his own time or was he too busy on Green’s mega-yacht to find the time?

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Sep 14, 2020 3:04:38 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: CGX car nut

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IMO it is not a political gesture. It is a human rights protest that should find us all united.

Perhaps some Americans are sensitive about such demonstrations for various reasons but I think no one should be offended if someone highlighted racism and discrimination across much of the Western world. It helps awareness and the need for cultural change

Remember that a serious organization like Mercedes AMG F1 have officially changed their cars' livery to all black from silver to make a stand against racism and discrimination. So there is place for protest in sport by organizations and individuals alike.

Green's mega-yacht? Even a black guy is entitled to a taste of the good life smiley

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Sep 14, 2020 4:54:40 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: reginos

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I mean, Mercedes is letting him wear that shirt covering up the Mercedes livery on the podium. It was a sanctioned gesture.

But then again Hamilton is Mercedes' golden goose, of course Mercedes would do just about anything to please him.

What he is doing is not unlike NHL, NBA players are doing earlier, they are using their high profile platform to bring awareness to the issue at hand. Except Hamilton isn't an American.

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Sep 14, 2020 5:13:52 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: Whoopsy

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Whoopsy:
I mean, Mercedes is letting him wear that shirt covering up the Mercedes livery on the podium. It was a sanctioned gesture.

But then again Hamilton is Mercedes' golden goose, of course Mercedes would do just about anything to please him.

What he is doing is not unlike NHL, NBA players are doing earlier, they are using their high profile platform to bring awareness to the issue at hand. Except Hamilton isn't an American.

I also believe it was sanctioned by Mercedes. Mercedes have painted their Silver Arrows black to make a point. And they are not American too.

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Sep 14, 2020 5:22:54 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: reginos

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reginos:
Whoopsy:
I mean, Mercedes is letting him wear that shirt covering up the Mercedes livery on the podium. It was a sanctioned gesture.

But then again Hamilton is Mercedes' golden goose, of course Mercedes would do just about anything to please him.

What he is doing is not unlike NHL, NBA players are doing earlier, they are using their high profile platform to bring awareness to the issue at hand. Except Hamilton isn't an American.

I also believe it was sanctioned by Mercedes. Mercedes have painted their Silver Arrows black to make a point. And they are not American too.

Wanna bet it was to please Hamilton? Smiley

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Sep 14, 2020 5:23:39 PM

CGX car nut: Rennteam Master; Loc: NWI , United States; Posts: 5176, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 17, 2011; Reply to: reginos

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Mercedes, as a company with a horrific past, shouldn’t attempt anything political.

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Sep 14, 2020 5:24:53 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: Whoopsy

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Whoopsy:
reginos:
Whoopsy:
I mean, Mercedes is letting him wear that shirt covering up the Mercedes livery on the podium. It was a sanctioned gesture.

But then again Hamilton is Mercedes' golden goose, of course Mercedes would do just about anything to please him.

What he is doing is not unlike NHL, NBA players are doing earlier, they are using their high profile platform to bring awareness to the issue at hand. Except Hamilton isn't an American.

I also believe it was sanctioned by Mercedes. Mercedes have painted their Silver Arrows black to make a point. And they are not American too.

Wanna bet it was to please Hamilton?

I also thought of that myself Smiley

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Sep 14, 2020 5:37:36 PM

mcdelaug: Expert; Loc: Fort Worth, Texas , United States; Posts: 1912, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 3, 2004; Reply to: reginos

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Consider the alternative for Mercedes... If Hamilton asks and corporate pushes back, optics there are difficult...

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Sep 14, 2020 5:43:33 PM

CGX car nut: Rennteam Master; Loc: NWI , United States; Posts: 5176, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 17, 2011; Reply to: mcdelaug

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This is why politics have no place in sports.

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Sep 14, 2020 6:22:40 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: CGX car nut

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Sep 14, 2020 6:40:33 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: Whoopsy

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Perhaps some of these 'top' drivers got mixed up with their knowledge of the rules.

On a rolling start, once the green flag dropped, the race is on and then can pass wherever they want.

On a safety re-start, the leader can pass the safety car after the 1st safety car line, which was near the pit entry, but they cannot pass each other before the 2nd safety car line, aka the control line. Most tracks this 2nd line is the start/finish line, but not at Mugello. The Mugello track actually had the 2nd line all the way past pit exit before the first corner. So technically no one can pass anyone until entering the 1st turn, even when they have a fantastic draft.

Track markings would have been mentioned many times during drivers' briefing, and I suspect they did a local rule and ignored the 2nd safety car line on Mugello and use the start/finish line as the 2nd safety car line as the control line for racing purposes.

I believe the F3 race earlier also had safety car restart but those juniors managed it without incident.

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Sep 14, 2020 11:11:04 PM

Topspeed: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Portugal , Portugal; Posts: 2992, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 14, 2014; Reply to: Whoopsy

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smiley

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Sep 15, 2020 12:38:07 AM

mcdelaug: Expert; Loc: Fort Worth, Texas , United States; Posts: 1912, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 3, 2004; Reply to: CGX car nut

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CGX car nut:
This is why politics have no place in sports.

Frankly I agree, there’s a time and place for everything, and certainly LH has plenty of opportunity to speak his mind in other forums... Part of what most of us look for in sport is that it should be ‘above’ political issues.

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Sep 15, 2020 1:35:45 AM

JoeRockhead: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Topside , Monaco; Posts: 8033, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 17, 2007; Reply to: mcdelaug

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Sometimes you just want a break from the news cycle. It’s like concerts, where you pay $200 a ticket to hear music, and more and frequently need to suffer the political opinions of the performer. Not what I signed up for.

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Sep 15, 2020 2:05:19 AM

mcdelaug: Expert; Loc: Fort Worth, Texas , United States; Posts: 1912, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 3, 2004; Reply to: JoeRockhead

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JoeRockhead:
Sometimes you just want a break from the news cycle. It’s like concerts, where you pay $200 a ticket to hear music, and more and frequently need to suffer the political opinions of the performer. Not what I signed up for.

Agreed, if the performance is going to contain some political ‘lecture’ then that should be disclosed when I’m considering my ticket purchase.

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Sep 15, 2020 8:26:23 AM

BjoernB: Rennteam Master; Loc: Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 4100, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 19, 2004; Reply to: mcdelaug

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absolutely - imagine every nationality driver posts a political message for his country. LH should be starting from the end next race indecision

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Sep 15, 2020 8:44:53 AM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: BjoernB

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Is Racial discrimination politics? I think it is a panhuman justice problem that affects the whole world, not just a country.

It's not as if Hamilton or other sports people are supporting a political candidate at a national election or promote a local cause.

Why at a GP podium? Because it is a place that raises awareness given the millions of TV viewers. On GP circuits we see all sorts of advertisements from drinks to banks and telephone companies. Why someone shouldn't advertise a just cause?

And my compliments to Mercedes-AMG for having the audacity to change the colour of the legendary Silver Arrows to black kiss

Anyway, everybody is entitled to his opinions. I think this exchange of messages has been exhausted.

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Sep 15, 2020 12:55:17 PM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21148, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: reginos

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reginos:
Is Racial discrimination politics? I think it is a panhuman justice problem that affects the whole world, not just a country.

It's not as if Hamilton or other sports people are supporting a political candidate at a national election or promote a local cause.

Why at a GP podium? Because it is a place that raises awareness given the millions of TV viewers. On GP circuits we see all sorts of advertisements from drinks to banks and telephone companies. Why someone shouldn't advertise a just cause?

And my compliments to Mercedes-AMG for having the audacity to change the colour of the legendary Silver Arrows to black

Anyway, everybody is entitled to his opinions. I think this exchange of messages has been exhausted.

Unfortunately, supposed racism has been made very much political, and is now used as a tool for political interests in the US, just look at the BLM organization.

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Sep 15, 2020 5:37:17 PM

Topspeed: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Portugal , Portugal; Posts: 2992, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 14, 2014; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcscAepViEc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f-7SdgYeuk

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Sep 15, 2020 5:52:17 PM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21148, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: Topspeed

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MotoGP makes F1 look like playing a playstation on the couch indecision

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Sep 15, 2020 7:31:54 PM

Gauss: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Luxembourg , Luxembourg; Posts: 5822, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 3, 2003; Reply to: Topspeed

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Topspeed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcscAepViEc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f-7SdgYeuk

Wow, what a difference Smiley

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