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Aug 30, 2020 6:28:25 AM

the-missile: Rennteam Master; Loc: The World , France; Posts: 3484, Gallery; Registered on: May 10, 2014; Reply to: Schutzhund

Re: GT4RS

Schutzhund:
Whoopsy:
I expect this car to be at around $180kCAD.

It will blow the doors off 991 GT3s in the handling department with a mid engine layout plus RS level suspension.

This is one car I am waiting for.

That would make it approx $150k US, 50% premium on GT4. Too high of a guess IMHO unless that includes lots of optional equipment.

PAG is normally very readable on pricing structure. RS model of the GT3 cost about 30-40%% more. 50% more seems excessive but hey we are in 2020 Smiley

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Aug 30, 2020 11:26:24 AM

Schutzhund: Junior; Loc: Rheinland-Pfalz , Germany; Posts: 52, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 23, 2014; Reply to: the-missile

Re: GT4RS

the-missile:
Schutzhund:
Whoopsy:
I expect this car to be at around $180kCAD.

It will blow the doors off 991 GT3s in the handling department with a mid engine layout plus RS level suspension.

This is one car I am waiting for.

That would make it approx $150k US, 50% premium on GT4. Too high of a guess IMHO unless that includes lots of optional equipment.

PAG is normally very readable on pricing structure. RS model of the GT3 cost about 30-40%% more. 50% more seems excessive but hey we are in 2020

Even accounting for PDK and buckets as std I can't see that price in 2 years due to other RS enhancements. PAG is built on a hierachy whereby they want owners to step up when replacing. PAG will protect the GT3 as much as it can. Pricing the GT4RS into GT3 territory while being, presumably, less capable would eliminate a lot of those IMHO.

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Aug 30, 2020 11:45:10 AM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14171, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: Schutzhund

Re: GT4RS

On the floor at my dealer there is a standard GT4 with a few options, price is CHF 148k

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Aug 30, 2020 12:57:34 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: Gnil

Re: GT4RS

Gnil:
On the floor at my dealer there is a standard GT4 with a few options, price is CHF 148k

Smiley

You can pick up the original GT4 for almost half that price, it sounds better, it is 80kg (!) lighter and it will not deprecate further Smiley I am a bit tempted by the GT4 RS in a flashy PTS color, but only if Porsche has built it to compete with the GT3 and GT3 RS big boys. Otherwise I would never pay that money but go for a GT3 instead.

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Aug 30, 2020 1:13:25 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: Gnil

Re: GT4RS

Why is the basic car so expensive in CH?

The starting price in Germany is the equivalent of .CHF102.000, whereas in Switzerland it starts at CHF 122.000. Big difference.

If you add to that full buckets and ceramic brakes, for example plus some bits and pieces you are there at

CHF148.000.

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Aug 30, 2020 1:19:02 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: reginos

Re: GT4RS

reginos:
Why is the basic car so expensive in CH?

The starting price in Germany is the equivalent of .CHF102.000, whereas in Switzerland it starts at CHF 122.000. Big difference.

If you add to that full buckets and ceramic brakes, for example plus some bits and pieces you are there at

CHF148.000.

Swiss premium Smiley

I paid CHF 105 for my first GT4. With euro bonus, full buckets and other bits and bobs. Now Porsche wants 50% more heart

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Aug 30, 2020 1:22:59 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: bluelines

Re: GT4RS

If someone buys from Germany without VAT for export, there will be a problem to pay the local tax and to register in Switzerland?

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Aug 30, 2020 3:09:03 PM

d997h: Expert; Loc: . , Germany; Posts: 1810, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 24, 2005; Reply to: bluelines

Re: GT4RS

bluelines:
Gnil:
On the floor at my dealer there is a standard GT4 with a few options, price is CHF 148k

You can pick up the original GT4 for almost half that price, it sounds better, it is 80kg (!) lighter and it will not deprecate further I am a bit tempted by the GT4 RS in a flashy PTS color, but only if Porsche has built it to compete with the GT3 and GT3 RS big boys. Otherwise I would never pay that money but go for a GT3 instead.

A guy in a 991.2 T was quicker than the average GT4 drivers recently in Hockenheim. One of the guys overtaken then said to me get a GT3 next... Smiley ...

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Aug 30, 2020 4:07:05 PM

mcdelaug: Expert; Loc: Fort Worth, Texas , United States; Posts: 1912, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 3, 2004; Reply to: d997h

Re: GT4RS

Porsche has probably concluded that demand for GT cars is not significantly susceptible to the current economic issues. They can always provide incentives to dealers that would allow significant discounting without being formally disclosed to consumers. That would make more sense than reducing price expectations.

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Aug 30, 2020 4:35:52 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: d997h

Re: GT4RS

d997h:
bluelines:
Gnil:
On the floor at my dealer there is a standard GT4 with a few options, price is CHF 148k

You can pick up the original GT4 for almost half that price, it sounds better, it is 80kg (!) lighter and it will not deprecate further I am a bit tempted by the GT4 RS in a flashy PTS color, but only if Porsche has built it to compete with the GT3 and GT3 RS big boys. Otherwise I would never pay that money but go for a GT3 instead.

A guy in a 991.2 T was quicker than the average GT4 drivers recently in Hockenheim. One of the guys overtaken then said to me get a GT3 next......

There is always a quicker guy... Smiley

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Aug 30, 2020 4:38:26 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: reginos

Re: GT4RS

reginos:
If someone buys from Germany without VAT for export, there will be a problem to pay the local tax and to register in Switzerland?

No, not a problem, but I doubt it is worth it with import fees and lower resale value...

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Aug 30, 2020 5:09:01 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14171, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: bluelines

Re: GT4RS

bluelines:
reginos:
Why is the basic car so expensive in CH?

The starting price in Germany is the equivalent of .CHF102.000, whereas in Switzerland it starts at CHF 122.000. Big difference.

If you add to that full buckets and ceramic brakes, for example plus some bits and pieces you are there at

CHF148.000.

Swiss premium

I paid CHF 105 for my first GT4. With euro bonus, full buckets and other bits and bobs. Now Porsche wants 50% more

Don't forget we still have the '' euro bonus '' that is taken off every new Porsche you buy. Basically it follows the exchange rate. It can be up to 10% discount . So that 122 k base price is probably more 110k when you buy the car.

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Aug 30, 2020 5:14:39 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: Gnil

Re: GT4RS

Gnil:
bluelines:
reginos:
Why is the basic car so expensive in CH?

The starting price in Germany is the equivalent of .CHF102.000, whereas in Switzerland it starts at CHF 122.000. Big difference.

If you add to that full buckets and ceramic brakes, for example plus some bits and pieces you are there at

CHF148.000.

Swiss premium

I paid CHF 105 for my first GT4. With euro bonus, full buckets and other bits and bobs. Now Porsche wants 50% more

Don't forget we still have the '' euro bonus '' that is taken off every new Porsche you buy. Basically it follows the exchange rate. It can be up to 10% discount . So that 122 k base price is probably more 110k when you buy the car.

True Smiley

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Aug 30, 2020 5:22:59 PM

d997h: Expert; Loc: . , Germany; Posts: 1810, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 24, 2005; Reply to: bluelines

Re: GT4RS

bluelines:
d997h:
bluelines:
Gnil:
On the floor at my dealer there is a standard GT4 with a few options, price is CHF 148k

You can pick up the original GT4 for almost half that price, it sounds better, it is 80kg (!) lighter and it will not deprecate further I am a bit tempted by the GT4 RS in a flashy PTS color, but only if Porsche has built it to compete with the GT3 and GT3 RS big boys. Otherwise I would never pay that money but go for a GT3 instead.

A guy in a 991.2 T was quicker than the average GT4 drivers recently in Hockenheim. One of the guys overtaken then said to me get a GT3 next......

There is always a quicker guy...

Sure, but we are talking 385 hp n/a vs. 370 hp turbos ... I assume that there are some 981 GT4 out there thinking they would be faster than a 991.2 base / S ... but you are right, there is always a bigger fish...

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Aug 30, 2020 6:14:16 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: Schutzhund

Re: GT4RS

Schutzhund:
the-missile:
Schutzhund:
Whoopsy:
I expect this car to be at around $180kCAD.

It will blow the doors off 991 GT3s in the handling department with a mid engine layout plus RS level suspension.

This is one car I am waiting for.

That would make it approx $150k US, 50% premium on GT4. Too high of a guess IMHO unless that includes lots of optional equipment.

PAG is normally very readable on pricing structure. RS model of the GT3 cost about 30-40%% more. 50% more seems excessive but hey we are in 2020

Even accounting for PDK and buckets as std I can't see that price in 2 years due to other RS enhancements. PAG is built on a hierachy whereby they want owners to step up when replacing. PAG will protect the GT3 as much as it can. Pricing the GT4RS into GT3 territory while being, presumably, less capable would eliminate a lot of those IMHO.

Knowing Porsche, they will jack up the price of the 992 GT3 to create room. So not a problem there.

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Aug 30, 2020 7:24:17 PM

Targa Tim: Expert; Loc: Vancouver, BC, Canada , Canada; Posts: 1475, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 3, 2005; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: GT4RS

Whoopsy:

Knowing Porsche, they will jack up the price of the 992 GT3 to create room. So not a problem there.

I fully agree. 991GT3 was at bargain price. 992 is now too expensive. 992GT3 has to be quite a bit more expensive.

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Aug 30, 2020 7:50:33 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: Targa Tim

Re: GT4RS

Targa Tim:
Whoopsy:

Knowing Porsche, they will jack up the price of the 992 GT3 to create room. So not a problem there.

I fully agree. 991GT3 was at bargain price. 992 is now too expensive. 992GT3 has to be quite a bit more expensive.

Every GT3 has always been a bargain (though still a stretch for me). Would be a shame to end that now Smiley

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Sep 1, 2020 3:38:54 PM

watt: Rennteam Master; Loc: Way Back In , New Zealand; Posts: 4560, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 27, 2002; Reply to: Grant

Re: GT4RS

too bad about the centre locks, otherwise an interesting rig

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Sep 5, 2020 8:34:52 AM

Gauss: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Luxembourg , Luxembourg; Posts: 5822, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 3, 2003; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: GT4RS

Whoopsy:
I expect this car to be at around $180kCAD.

It will blow the doors off 991 GT3s in the handling department with a mid engine layout plus RS level suspension.

This is one car I am waiting for.

Any new rumors concerning its engine?

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Sep 5, 2020 9:07:11 AM

blueflame: Expert; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 1700, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 28, 2005; Reply to: Gauss

Re: GT4RS

Gauss:
Whoopsy:
I expect this car to be at around $180kCAD.

It will blow the doors off 991 GT3s in the handling department with a mid engine layout plus RS level suspension.

This is one car I am waiting for.

Any new rumors concerning its engine?

Anything else as the new 4.0 non-GT Engine would be a total surprise and against Porsche business policy, maybe a little increase of 15 HP over the 718 Spyder/GT4 version.

Blueflame

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Sep 5, 2020 9:25:29 AM

Gauss: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Luxembourg , Luxembourg; Posts: 5822, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 3, 2003; Reply to: blueflame

Re: GT4RS

Will the engine and gearbox be track reliable enough (with regular engine), just like a GT3 RS for example. That's what I wonder.

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Sep 5, 2020 1:05:36 PM

the-missile: Rennteam Master; Loc: The World , France; Posts: 3484, Gallery; Registered on: May 10, 2014; Reply to: Gauss

Re: GT4RS

Yes. It is an RS product. Fit for track duty. No worries.

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Sep 5, 2020 2:13:04 PM

crayphile: Rennteam Pro; Loc: England , United Kingdom; Posts: 2861, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 16, 2004; Reply to: the-missile

Re: GT4RS

the-missile:
Yes. It is an RS product. Fit for track duty. No worries.

Limited or cash cow?

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Sep 5, 2020 2:28:26 PM

Schutzhund: Junior; Loc: Rheinland-Pfalz , Germany; Posts: 52, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 23, 2014; Reply to: blueflame

Re: GT4RS

blueflame:
Gauss:
Whoopsy:
I expect this car to be at around $180kCAD.

It will blow the doors off 991 GT3s in the handling department with a mid engine layout plus RS level suspension.

This is one car I am waiting for.

Any new rumors concerning its engine?

Anything else as the new 4.0 non-GT Engine would be a total surprise and against Porsche business policy, maybe a little increase of 15 HP over the 718 Spyder/GT4 version.

Blueflame

Most persistant rumor is 25-35 hp more (440-450). Some of course maintain it will be a high as 475 hp with a GT3 derivative engine.

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Sep 5, 2020 8:53:22 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: crayphile

Re: GT4RS

crayphile:
the-missile:
Yes. It is an RS product. Fit for track duty. No worries.

Limited or cash cow?

Not numbered if that's what you are asking.

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Sep 5, 2020 8:54:56 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: Gauss

Re: GT4RS

Gauss:
Will the engine and gearbox be track reliable enough (with regular engine), just like a GT3 RS for example. That's what I wonder.

Like someone said, it won't have the RS badging if it can't withstand track duties. Heck, they have been thrashing the prototype at Weissach for like 2 years now.

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Sep 7, 2020 6:59:22 AM

BjoernB: Rennteam Master; Loc: Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 4100, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 19, 2004; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: GT4RS

dry sump should do the trick broken heart

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Sep 8, 2020 3:12:19 PM

y0ukz: Junior; Loc: Madrid; Posts: 80, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 9, 2006; Reply to: BjoernB

Re: GT4RS

As far as I know this car is gonna be Turbo Charged. I think is gonna just use a Carrera S engine with some tweaks. Might sound dissapointing but IMO makes sense to make a total different proposal than a GT3. Not NA and mid engine layout. PDK only too.

That's the info I have from some internal sources.... Let's see.

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Sep 8, 2020 3:44:24 PM

Gauss: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Luxembourg , Luxembourg; Posts: 5822, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 3, 2003; Reply to: y0ukz

Re: GT4RS

The many videos suggest naturally aspirated yes

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Sep 8, 2020 3:48:06 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: y0ukz

Re: GT4RS

y0ukz:
As far as I know this car is gonna be Turbo Charged. I think is gonna just use a Carrera S engine with some tweaks. Might sound dissapointing but IMO makes sense to make a total different proposal than a GT3. Not NA and mid engine layout. PDK only too.

That's the info I have from some internal sources.... Let's see.

I will be more than a little surprised if this is the case. Would only make sense if the GT4 and Spyder also used turbo motor. Why bother to develop a new NA 4.0L motor if then could just throw in the existing 3.0TT?

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