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    McLaren Speedtail, SCG 004S, & GMA T.50

    Just posted up a new blog on the latest 3 seat hypercars: McLaren Speedtail, SCG 004S, & GMA T.50:

    https://karenable.com/21st-century-3-seaters-mclaren-speedtail-scg-004-the-gma-t-50/

    Comments?


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    SSO.:

    Just posted up a new blog on the latest 3 seat hypercars: McLaren Speedtail, SCG 004S, & GMA T.50:

    https://karenable.com/21st-century-3-seaters-mclaren-speedtail-scg-004-the-gma-t-50/

    Comments?

    Nice job Smiley


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    Thanks Smiley


    Re: McLaren Speedtail, SCG 004S, & GMA T.50

    SSO.:

    Just posted up a new blog on the latest 3 seat hypercars: McLaren Speedtail, SCG 004S, & GMA T.50:

    https://karenable.com/21st-century-3-seaters-mclaren-speedtail-scg-004-the-gma-t-50/

    Comments?

    I always enjoy reading your pieces and kudos to you for putting them together. I do think you have a sustained McLaren bias though . Beauty is always in the eye of the beholder but to me the Speedtail is an awkward looking car. The Monza is beautiful and is a redressed 812 ( I have one on order). The Speedtail is not beautiful and is a redressed carbon tub from the current line of Mclaren Automotive - most of which I have owned - just the Senna left now though.


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    crayphile:

    The Monza is beautiful and is a redressed 812 ( I have one on order). The Speedtail is not beautiful and is a redressed carbon tub from the current line of Mclaren Automotive - most of which I have owned - just the Senna left now though.

    I think the Monza SP1 and SP2 are very cool cars and I also think the design is great.  But every time I see a photo that includes a driver and/or passenger, I get the feeling that the car is very large compared to the older Ferraris that it emulates.  Makes the people look like they shrunk in the laundry Smiley

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    Re: McLaren Speedtail, SCG 004S, & GMA T.50

    crayphile:
    SSO.:

    Just posted up a new blog on the latest 3 seat hypercars: McLaren Speedtail, SCG 004S, & GMA T.50:

    https://karenable.com/21st-century-3-seaters-mclaren-speedtail-scg-004-the-gma-t-50/

    Comments?

    I always enjoy reading your pieces and kudos to you for putting them together. I do think you have a sustained McLaren bias though . Beauty is always in the eye of the beholder but to me the Speedtail is an awkward looking car. The Monza is beautiful and is a redressed 812 ( I have one on order). The Speedtail is not beautiful and is a redressed carbon tub from the current line of Mclaren Automotive - most of which I have owned - just the Senna left now though.

    I probably do have a bit of a McLaren bias these days.  In general they have treated me well while my recent experiences with Ferrari have all be horrible.  On the Speedtail, I actually wouldn't call it beautiful, futuristic definitely and lets see how it ages.  Long term I will be very interested to see how the Monza and Elva do.  We passed on the Elva as I thought it was McLaren pushing the same basic platform one step too far.


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    I do really like the Speedtail design, easily the best looking McLaren since the 675LT. Likewise the Monza, makes other current Ferrari's look unnecessarily cluttered. 


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    I find a top speed car quite pointless...


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    Porker:

    I do really like the Speedtail design, easily the best looking McLaren since the 675LT. Likewise the Monza, makes other current Ferrari's look unnecessarily cluttered. 

    Agree on both counts. 


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    I remember when I entered the last time a Ferrari dealership in Munich. I was driving my R8 then, had my son with me and we just wanted to take a look at the beautiful cars at the dealership. I think I was around 15 minutes inside the dealership, with a couple of sales persons looking at us from time to time but not a single one bothered to come to ask if we need something or if we are interested in one of the cars (the R8 may not be a Ferrari but... Smiley).

    We exited the dealership without talking to anyone even once (not even a hello or good-bye from them), so my son knew immediately what car brand he is going to avoid in the future (if he can ever afford these cars Smiley), so do I.

    I love the 488 Pista, I also love the 812 but I cannot imagine myself getting along with these sales people at the local Ferrari dealership here. I already had my issues with my former Porsche sales guy, thank god there is a new one there. If the sales person is dressed like a business suit model and behaves more like a customer than a sales rep Smiley, I am not interested in buying a car.


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    And the Ferrari dealership in Munich is said to have become even worse since then... broken heart


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    RC:

    I remember when I entered the last time a Ferrari dealership in Munich. I was driving my R8 then, had my son with me and we just wanted to take a look at the beautiful cars at the dealership. I think I was around 15 minutes inside the dealership, with a couple of sales persons looking at us from time to time but not a single one bothered to come to ask if we need something or if we are interested in one of the cars (the R8 may not be a Ferrari but... Smiley).

    We exited the dealership without talking to anyone even once (not even a hello or good-bye from them), so my son knew immediately what car brand he is going to avoid in the future (if he can ever afford these cars Smiley), so do I.

    I love the 488 Pista, I also love the 812 but I cannot imagine myself getting along with these sales people at the local Ferrari dealership here. I already had my issues with my former Porsche sales guy, thank god there is a new one there. If the sales person is dressed like a business suit model and behaves more like a customer than a sales rep Smiley, I am not interested in buying a car.

    This is exactly the type of behavior that put me off of Ferrari. 


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    I go to the Porsche dealer 2-3 times a year to see the new models in the flesh. Always when I come in, they ask me if I want a coffee and whether they can help me. When there is time, they make a little chat. Of course, they ask me what I drive now to see if I am a potential customer, but they are always friendly and forthcoming. Sometimes they invite me into the workshop when there is something really interesting there... This is the kind of behavior that creates future customers imo.


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    Joost:

    I go to the Porsche dealer 2-3 times a year to see the new models in the flesh. Always when I come in, they ask me if I want a coffee and whether they can help me. When there is time, they make a little chat. Of course, they ask me what I drive now to see if I am a potential customer, but they are always friendly and forthcoming. Sometimes they invite me into the workshop when there is something really interesting there... This is the kind of behavior that creates future customers imo.

     

    It certainly does.  Here's a bit more on my Ferrari experience:  https://karenable.com/dealing-with-ferrari/


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    Joost:

    I go to the Porsche dealer 2-3 times a year to see the new models in the flesh. Always when I come in, they ask me if I want a coffee and whether they can help me. When there is time, they make a little chat. Of course, they ask me what I drive now to see if I am a potential customer, but they are always friendly and forthcoming. Sometimes they invite me into the workshop when there is something really interesting there... This is the kind of behavior that creates future customers imo.

    My old Porsche dealer was that way, even better: Whenever I came by and they had a new car, he threw me the keys and told me "drive it and tell me what you think". I loved it. It was a family dealership and it showed. Always got an excellent Espresso as well and I usually spent time to talk about cars, the family and vacations. Now they sell Aston Martin and Maserati and our relationship has cooled down because these aren't cars for me, sorry. Was a great time.

    Nowadays at my new Porsche dealer, I have almost to beg for a test-drive, I cannot remember when my current Porsche dealer ever asked me if I want to test-drive a new car. I know they know I have "access" to early cars but still, I am...oops...was a customer. My new sales guy is a little bit different (to the better) but still not where I want him to be. I get it, I don't own a Porsche anymore but I had three at the same time and they won't get me back if they don't try harder. My wife is seriously considering getting a 992 GT3 Touring or 992 Turbo S or whatever but she wasn't even asked if she wants to test-drive the new 992 Turbo S, so... Smiley Maybe they have enough customers? Smiley Smiley


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    SSO.:

    It certainly does.  Here's a bit more on my Ferrari experience:  https://karenable.com/dealing-with-ferrari/


    Just read your F40 content on the website. What a stunning car and awesome experiences you had with it. Smiley

    To me, that car is so different to other Ferraris. Here is a great interview with Materazzi Racconta.


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    Ferdie:
    SSO.:

    It certainly does.  Here's a bit more on my Ferrari experience:  https://karenable.com/dealing-with-ferrari/


    Just read your F40 content on the website. What a stunning car and awesome experiences you had with it. Smiley

    To me, that car is so different to other Ferraris. Here is a great interview with Materazzi Racconta.

    Brilliant video on the F40.  Really enjoyed that.  Thanks.


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    Ferdie:
    SSO.:

    It certainly does.  Here's a bit more on my Ferrari experience:  https://karenable.com/dealing-with-ferrari/


    Just read your F40 content on the website. What a stunning car and awesome experiences you had with it. Smiley

    To me, that car is so different to other Ferraris. Here is a great interview with Materazzi Racconta.

    I loved that vid also Smiley


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    RC:

    I remember when I entered the last time a Ferrari dealership in Munich. I was driving my R8 then, had my son with me and we just wanted to take a look at the beautiful cars at the dealership. I think I was around 15 minutes inside the dealership, with a couple of sales persons looking at us from time to time but not a single one bothered to come to ask if we need something or if we are interested in one of the cars (the R8 may not be a Ferrari but... Smiley).

    We exited the dealership without talking to anyone even once (not even a hello or good-bye from them), so my son knew immediately what car brand he is going to avoid in the future (if he can ever afford these cars Smiley), so do I.

    I love the 488 Pista, I also love the 812 but I cannot imagine myself getting along with these sales people at the local Ferrari dealership here. I already had my issues with my former Porsche sales guy, thank god there is a new one there. If the sales person is dressed like a business suit model and behaves more like a customer than a sales rep Smiley, I am not interested in buying a car.

    I’m not defending the sales people but Ferrari showrooms are primarily visited by none buyers. Like you and your son, most want to view cars and not buy. No point in engaging walk-in visitors. Also, the dealership probably doesn’t have any new car allocations. Smiley


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    The show room was full of cars and in Germany, there is really no problem to get a 488 or even a F8 Tributo (Spider is a little bit more complicated). I drove my R8, I parked it in front of the dealership, I am 55 (maybe not looking that way Smiley) and I had my son with me. I was wearing my Rolex (I know that sales persons are trained to detect certain "markers" on potential buyers) and I was talking to my son, so they were clearly able to hear that I'm not some sort of uneducated hillbilly. I gave them all signs but they didn't react.

    My Porsche sales guy wasn't much different, I always had the feeling that he is the customer and I am the sales guy, if you get my point. Smiley Only after I managed to get the first 991.1 Turbo S in Germany (the factory even organized a private single car delivery on the Friday before Saturday...the last day of the sales embargo, not very usual in Germany) by-passing him and the dealership (I was really annoyed because they wanted to give my order spot to their best customer), he started to respect me and talk differently. 

    However, even on that delivery day (a Saturday), he annoyed me: While I was picking up my car with my son, that best customer of his he wanted to give my car, appeared to see the car (he hasn't seen it before) and I was barely able to take some delivery photos. 

    Sorry, Nick but no excuses. You should see to what lengths I sometimes go for 5 EUR, just to keep the customer and his business.


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    Grant:
    Ferdie:
    SSO.:

    It certainly does.  Here's a bit more on my Ferrari experience:  https://karenable.com/dealing-with-ferrari/


    Just read your F40 content on the website. What a stunning car and awesome experiences you had with it. Smiley

    To me, that car is so different to other Ferraris. Here is a great interview with Materazzi Racconta.

    I loved that vid also Smiley


    Me too, I gained an entirely new appreciation for the F40 recently. I'd say the two cars that excite me the most currently are the F40 and Carrera GT as they are both cars that have to be mastered... especially the former a truly analogue car.

    Some other highly interesting videos on that channel, for example insights on the development at Ferrari, Alfa and Bugatti. 


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    RC:

    I remember when I entered the last time a Ferrari dealership in Munich. I was driving my R8 then, had my son with me and we just wanted to take a look at the beautiful cars at the dealership. I think I was around 15 minutes inside the dealership, with a couple of sales persons looking at us from time to time but not a single one bothered to come to ask if we need something or if we are interested in one of the cars (the R8 may not be a Ferrari but... Smiley).

    We exited the dealership without talking to anyone even once (not even a hello or good-bye from them), so my son knew immediately what car brand he is going to avoid in the future (if he can ever afford these cars Smiley), so do I.

    I love the 488 Pista, I also love the 812 but I cannot imagine myself getting along with these sales people at the local Ferrari dealership here. I already had my issues with my former Porsche sales guy, thank god there is a new one there. If the sales person is dressed like a business suit model and behaves more like a customer than a sales rep Smiley, I am not interested in buying a car.

    I know where you've been and I had the exact same experience. But it's that particular dealership and not Ferrari per se

     


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    Even as a complete nobody I had a great experience at a dealer in Switzerland. Don’t think it’s a brand issue.


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    DaveGordon:

    Even as a complete nobody I had a great experience at a dealer in Switzerland. Don’t think it’s a brand issue.

    Ferrari in Geneva is super chill, they offered us a glass of whisky and seated in their lounge and discussed cars in the most relaxed/genuine way. Smiley


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