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Dec 30, 2004 3:21:46 AM

JimFlat6: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Cave , United States; Posts: 8633, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 25, 2004

Fiat offering its Ferrari ownership share to GM

Obviously Fiat is experiencing some hard times. As they and GM are arguing about terms of GM having to take a majority stake in Fiat as per their last agreement, Fiat is now offering up their Ferrari ownership to GM.

Imagine,joint Ferrari and Corvette dealerships.

Happy New Year Ferrari Fans!

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Dec 30, 2004 3:25:18 AM

ben, lj: Expert; Loc:; Posts: 1373, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 6, 2003; Reply to: JimFlat6

Re: Fiat offering its Ferrari ownership share to GM

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JimFlat6 said:
Obviously Fiat is experiencing some hard times. As they and GM are arguing about terms of GM having to take a majority stake in Fiat as per their last agreement, Fiat is now offering up their Ferrari ownership to GM.

Imagine,joint Ferrari and Corvette dealerships.

Happy New Year Ferrari Fans!

Nick will be thrilled

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Dec 30, 2004 3:47:47 AM

JimFlat6: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Cave , United States; Posts: 8633, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 25, 2004; Reply to: ben, lj

Re: Fiat offering its Ferrari ownership share to GM

In the US we may get to see Schumacher edition Buick Regals
or Fiorano red Pontiacs.

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Dec 30, 2004 4:03:59 AM

ben, lj: Expert; Loc:; Posts: 1373, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 6, 2003; Reply to: JimFlat6

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In the US we may get to see Schumacher edition Buick Regals
or Fiorano red Pontiacs.

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Dec 30, 2004 4:28:39 AM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13737, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: JimFlat6

Re: Fiat offering its Ferrari ownership share to GM

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JimFlat6 said:
Obviously Fiat is experiencing some hard times. As they and GM are arguing about terms of GM having to take a majority stake in Fiat as per their last agreement, Fiat is now offering up their Ferrari ownership to GM.

Imagine,joint Ferrari and Corvette dealerships.

Happy New Year Ferrari Fans!

I read the articcle and saw nothing regarding selling Ferrari shares to GM.

However if they did, a red Buick with Scuderia shields appeals to me.

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Dec 30, 2004 4:56:33 AM

JimFlat6: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Cave , United States; Posts: 8633, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 25, 2004; Reply to: nberry

Re: Fiat offering its Ferrari ownership share to GM

Fiats assets includes a big chunk of Ferrari stock.

With luck, the next Super America could be built in Flint Michigan and Mr. Goodwrench will be stocking 360 water pumps.

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Dec 30, 2004 5:49:32 AM

MKW: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Palo Alto and North Lake Tahoe , United States; Posts: 2491, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 22, 2002; Reply to: nberry

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However if they did, a red Buick with Scuderia shields appeals to me.

Here's your Maserbuick Quattroparke Stradale , Nick .

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Dec 30, 2004 7:40:31 AM

Jeff (in SF): Pilot; Loc: SF, CA, USA , United States; Posts: 340, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 13, 2003; Reply to: JimFlat6

Re: Fiat offering its Ferrari ownership share to GM

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JimFlat6 said:
Obviously Fiat is experiencing some hard times. As they and GM are arguing about terms of GM having to take a majority stake in Fiat as per their last agreement, Fiat is now offering up their Ferrari ownership to GM.

Imagine,joint Ferrari and Corvette dealerships.

Happy New Year Ferrari Fans!

Oooohhh, I can see it now...."Ferrari takes it to Ford and wins first NASCAR race!"

Just imagine the parts sharing and badge engineering that GM is so good at finally coming to Prancing Horse dealerships. Hold on Ferrari waiters...Zero Percent Financing and $10K cash back rebates can't be far behind!!

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Dec 30, 2004 10:40:58 AM

palenimbus: Expert; Loc: Baden-Württemberg, Germany; Posts: 1824, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 6, 2004; Reply to: MKW

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Here's your Maserbuick Quattroparke Stradale , Nick .

lololololol

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Dec 30, 2004 11:08:28 AM

scud: Co-Pilot; Loc: here , United Kingdom; Posts: 201, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 1, 2004; Reply to: JimFlat6

Re: Fiat offering its Ferrari ownership share to GM

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JimFlat6 said:
Obviously Fiat is experiencing some hard times. As they and GM are arguing about terms of GM having to take a majority stake in Fiat as per their last agreement, Fiat is now offering up their Ferrari ownership to GM.

Imagine,joint Ferrari and Corvette dealerships.

Happy New Year Ferrari Fans!

It will be a sad day if ferrari falls into the hands of an american company

I have italian parents and am proud of my heritage as with my 360 spider in my garage.If this dark day ever comes I feel it will be the beginning of the end for the most loved marque in the world which bases it's whole exsistance around its european history starting from humble beginnings to the racing powerhouse of today. I couldn't bring myself to purchase a ferrari if it was influenced by an american.I'm not yank bashing but really , I feel americans can't style a car the same as the boys at pininfarina.Do you honestly feel a corvette etc comes close in the sex appeal stakes to a ferrari? Ford tried years ago but Enzo showed them the door. He would turn in his grave if it ever happened:o

I look forward to a sea of interesting posts.
rock on

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Dec 30, 2004 11:27:37 AM

brunner: Veteran; Loc: E. Europe , Romania; Posts: 1125, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 28, 2003; Reply to: scud

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scud said:I'm not yank bashing but really , I feel americans can't style a car the same as the boys at pininfarina.

How many italians are there at Pinin anyway?:)

Wait a minute.. Pinin-FARINA?

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Dec 30, 2004 11:35:01 AM

assman!!!: Pilot; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 446, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 23, 2004; Reply to: brunner

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It would be a first rate tragedy if Ferrari would go under american ownership.... :-( I seriously doubt that they're gonna sell Ferrari shares to GM

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Dec 30, 2004 11:56:29 AM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12681, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: assman!!!

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It would be a first rate tragedy if Ferrari would go under american ownership.... :-( I seriously doubt that they're gonna sell Ferrari shares to GM

Before that would happen, I prefered a German owner...

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Dec 30, 2004 12:58:36 PM

palenimbus: Expert; Loc: Baden-Württemberg, Germany; Posts: 1824, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 6, 2004; Reply to: Rossi

Re: Fiat offering its Ferrari ownership share to GM

I'd prefer a private owner; an auto enthusiest to snap it up... less concern about return on investment and more concern about "the passion" of Ferraris

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Dec 30, 2004 3:57:02 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: palenimbus

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I'd prefer a private owner; an auto enthusiest to snap it up... less concern about return on investment and more concern about "the passion" of Ferraris

It would have to be a multi-billionaire to be able to support the F1 team's expenses

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Dec 30, 2004 4:30:57 PM

Ron (Houston): Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Houston, TX , United States; Posts: 8812, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 10, 2002; Reply to: Grant

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I'd prefer a private owner; an auto enthusiest to snap it up... less concern about return on investment and more concern about "the passion" of Ferraris

It would have to be a multi-billionaire to be able to support the F1 team's expenses

I know a guy named Bill and his last name Gates

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Dec 30, 2004 4:34:21 PM

assman!!!: Pilot; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 446, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 23, 2004; Reply to: Rossi

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assman!!! said:
It would be a first rate tragedy if Ferrari would go under american ownership.... :-( I seriously doubt that they're gonna sell Ferrari shares to GM

Before that would happen, I prefered a German owner...

I agree... If worse comes to worse, Germany would probably be the best out-of-italy solution

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Dec 30, 2004 4:40:40 PM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13737, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: JimFlat6

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Fiats assets includes a big chunk of Ferrari stock.

With luck, the next Super America could be built in Flint Michigan and Mr. Goodwrench will be stocking 360 water pumps.

Jim the arrangement with GM gives a substantial amount of control to Fiat. Nothing in the article even hinted at Fiat passing ownership of Ferrari to GM. Keep in mind who the CEO of Fiat is.

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Dec 30, 2004 4:42:26 PM

MKW: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Palo Alto and North Lake Tahoe , United States; Posts: 2491, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 22, 2002; Reply to: scud

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I couldn't bring myself to purchase a ferrari if it was influenced by an american.I
rock on

All current Ferraris are " influenced " already by head of design Frank Stephenson , who designed the Mini, and is half American and half Spanish . The Enzo , Quatroporte, 612 and 575 successor were done by a Japanese, the 360 was done by an eastern European and updated by an American. There have been gripes that Ferraris since the late 90s have become " interesting " looking cars, but not jaw dropping good looking. Not very many Italians , like in the days of the great Lorenzo Ramaciotti who influenced their cars from the 70s- to the 90s. All this has happened under the watch of it's Italian management at Ferrari and Pininfarina the past 10 years as Luca Montezemolo wants the car to appeal to the growing markets in Asia and Russia as well as the traditional western European and American buyer.
. Don't get me started on the puffer fish 612 which in person looks just like it's pictures and could have been done by the Buick folks at GM.

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Dec 30, 2004 4:54:58 PM

ben, lj: Expert; Loc:; Posts: 1373, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 6, 2003; Reply to: MKW

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I couldn't bring myself to purchase a ferrari if it was influenced by an american.I
rock on

All current Ferraris are " influenced " already by head of design Frank Stephenson , who designed the Mini, and is half American and half Spanish . The Enzo , Quatroporte, 612 and 575 successor were done by a Japanese, the 360 was done by an eastern European and updated by an American. There have been gripes that Ferraris since the late 90s have become " interesting " looking cars, but not jaw dropping good looking. Not very many Italians , like in the days of the great Lorenzo Ramaciotti who influenced their cars from the 70s- to the 90s. All this has happened under the watch of it's Italian management at Ferrari and Pininfarina the past 10 years as Luca Montezemolo wants the car to appeal to the growing markets in Asia and Russia as well as the traditional western European and American buyer.
. Don't get me started on the puffer fish 612 which in person looks just like it's pictures and could have been done by the Buick folks at GM.

yep, i saw the 612 again yesterday and it could really use some design help from someone - even an american. it would make a great new toyota supra.

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Dec 30, 2004 6:02:24 PM

Jeff (in SF): Pilot; Loc: SF, CA, USA , United States; Posts: 340, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 13, 2003; Reply to: ben, lj

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yep, i saw the 612 again yesterday and it could really use some design help from someone - even an american. it would make a great new toyota supra.

Agree. I call it, affectionately, the 612 Ugly-etti. Ferrari can afford to take styling chances with the Enzo, 575 and 456/612 because they know they're only going to sell a few. The 360 is their equivalent of the BMW 3 Series (i.e. it's the bread and butter of their sales) so they must be more cautious with the advancement of the styling while at the same time cognizant of the competition. Thus the 430 - evolutionary styling with a performance increase to keep it competitive with the Turbo, Lambo and Ford GT. If they get the styling of the 430 replacement wrong, that could spell further trouble for them.

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Dec 30, 2004 8:21:10 PM

WCH: Junior; Loc: USA East; Posts: 135, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 4, 2003; Reply to: Jeff (in SF)

Re: Fiat offering its Ferrari ownership share to GM

If this thread relates to the Fiat/GM "put," that has nothing at all to do with Ferrari, it affects only Fiat Auto, of which Ferrari is not a part.

Can anyone link to a contrary report? Is this whole thread is based on misinformation? P owners getting a little too excited about tweaking F owners?

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Dec 30, 2004 9:14:27 PM

Moogle: Rennteam Master; Loc: Bay Area , United States; Posts: 5019, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 9, 2003; Reply to: Ron (Houston)

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I'd prefer a private owner; an auto enthusiest to snap it up... less concern about return on investment and more concern about "the passion" of Ferraris

It would have to be a multi-billionaire to be able to support the F1 team's expenses

I know a guy named Bill and his last name Gates

bill gates is a porsche man, remember his 959 federalization crusade?

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Dec 30, 2004 9:28:37 PM

yavapai: Newbie; Loc: Arizona, USA; Posts: 31, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 24, 2004; Reply to: JimFlat6

Re: Fiat offering its Ferrari ownership share to GM

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JimFlat6 said:
Obviously Fiat is experiencing some hard times. As they and GM are arguing about terms of GM having to take a majority stake in Fiat as per their last agreement, Fiat is now offering up their Ferrari ownership to GM.
Imagine,joint Ferrari and Corvette dealerships.
Happy New Year Ferrari Fans!

There goes the neighborhood. Better get um while we can.

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Dec 30, 2004 9:40:48 PM

SSNISTR: Senior; Loc: Florida; Posts: 611, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 15, 2004; Reply to: WCH

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If this thread relates to the Fiat/GM "put," that has nothing at all to do with Ferrari, it affects only Fiat Auto, of which Ferrari is not a part.

According to what I have read....EXACTLY.

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