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    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    Porsche needs to react but I'm not sure they can keep up with the BMW price level. 

    Also, the BMW engine is a V6, same goes to the Macan but Mercedes uses a V8.

    Not sure how successful these cars will be, we'll see.


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    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    L6 (or I6) for the BMW. 


    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    KMM:

    L6 (or I6) for the BMW. 

    Yes, inline 6 cyl., sorry. Smiley


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    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    The X3M looks good IMHO and is an interesting proposition. I bet it will also be something like 10k less than the GLC63. 


    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    I like it as well, but nowhere near as cool as the GLC63 IMO, although that admittedly needs a FL on the interior urgently.

    But god what were they thinking when they designed the X4?


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    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    Porker:

    I like it as well, but nowhere near as cool as the GLC63 IMO, although that admittedly needs a FL on the interior urgently.

    But god what were they thinking when they designed the X4?

    I have no clue either...ugliest SUV "Coupe" ever... Smiley Not a fan of the GLC Coupe either...or the X6 for that matter but the X4 is just hideous. Smiley


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    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    RC:
    Porker:

    I like it as well, but nowhere near as cool as the GLC63 IMO, although that admittedly needs a FL on the interior urgently.

    But god what were they thinking when they designed the X4?

    I have no clue either...ugliest SUV "Coupe" ever... Smiley Not a fan of the GLC Coupe either...or the X6 for that matter but the X4 is just hideous. Smiley

    Agree. But there's simply no use of a SUV coupe. Why not an estate coupe while they're at it ? You either need the space or you don't. 

     


    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    There are only two SUV "Coupes" looking good: The Urus and the Q8 but they're actually not really Coupes.

    The RS Q8 is coming soon, with the Urus V8 (very likely with 605 hp in the base model, more in the Performance model) and a much cheaper entry price than the Urus, should be a great "sporty" SUV.


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    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    I hope the madness stops and car companies go back to the basics: small fast hot hatches, comfy sedans, though SUV’s and sportcars. This sporty SUV coupe nonsense is getting silly. enlightened


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    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    spudgun:

    I hope the madness stops and car companies go back to the basics: small fast hot hatches, comfy sedans, though SUV’s and sportcars. This sporty SUV coupe nonsense is getting silly. enlightened


    Agreed. We drive a Abarth 595 and are so happy with this car. As small as you can get. Smiley


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    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    spudgun:

    I hope the madness stops and car companies go back to the basics: small fast hot hatches, comfy sedans, though SUV’s and sportcars. This sporty SUV coupe nonsense is getting silly. enlightened

    They usually offer what people are willing to buy... There seems to be a clear trend away from sedans and towards "sportier" SUVs, including those in "Coupe" form. Smiley


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    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    Yeah, and those design cues get paste/copied by everyone and suddenly you’re surrounded by diesel and four pots coupe SUV renaults and Kia’s. It’s beyond stupid...


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    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    I just realise that I myself dd a four pot SUV. Forget my rant, carry on.


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    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    My wife saw the facelift Macan for this first time at Aventura mall and said: “how could they ruin so bad such a beautiful car”.


    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    Macan Turbo

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    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

     they usually make it better on facelift but that one is the exception. 


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    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    Horrible...


    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    Good Lord, that is an ugly face.

    rulesdontapply


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    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    Got a facelift Macan S loaner for two days while they fix the front lift on the GTS.

    It is 992 test drive flashback. Nice and comfortable, but rather lifeless and boring. Our Audi S3 is more fun to drive and feels more powerful in acceleration than the Macan S. What is going on with Porsche? heart 


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    2017 991.2 Carrera 4 GTS | GT Silver Metallic - The GT3 Killah!
    2013 Audi S3 | Glacier White


    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    Macan S is underpowered, the turbo was barely good enough.

    Porsche is spending billions in EV tech to catch up with Tesla and pays the bills for the VW group emissions fiasco...


    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    SciFrog:

    Macan S is underpowered, the turbo was barely good enough.

    I thought the Macan Turbo was the best car in the world? Smileyindecision


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    2017 991.2 Carrera 4 GTS | GT Silver Metallic - The GT3 Killah!
    2013 Audi S3 | Glacier White


    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    It was, in 2014. We are in 2019 and the Macan is now the exact same car but with an ugly rear design and a half a decade old tech inside. Times have changed. The Macan EV, if they can figure out the range one way or the other, might reclaim the crown Smiley


    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    bluelines:
    SciFrog:

    Macan S is underpowered, the turbo was barely good enough.

    I thought the Macan Turbo was the best car in the world? Smileyindecision

    The best car in the world is whatever is the current favorite car residing in SciFrog's garage.  You should understand by now.  


    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    one thing that is sure as well is facelifted Macan is not pretty and surely worst than original release...enlightened


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    Cayenne GTS 2014


    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    CGX car nut:
    bluelines:
    SciFrog:

    Macan S is underpowered, the turbo was barely good enough.

    I thought the Macan Turbo was the best car in the world? Smileyindecision

    The best car in the world is whatever is the current favorite car residing in SciFrog's garage.  You should understand by now.  

    Makes sense, why by anything else but the best car at a certain point in time? Isn’t that what everyone is doing, money considerations aside?Smiley


    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    Macan Turbo

    440hp

    2.9 V6 TT (not the 3.6 anymore)

    0-100: 4,3 s

     

     


    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    How long does it usually take for the GTS to be introduced?

     


    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    New MACAN GTS

    Same 2.9 twinturbo as the Turbo

    381hp ( 5.200 - 6.700 rpm )

    520 Nm ( 1.750 - 5.000 rpm )

    0-100: 4,9 s (4,7 s SC)

    261 km/h

    11,3 l/100 km

    20"

     

    66.559 € before taxes in the EU

     

     

     

     

     


    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    My 2021 Audi A4 2.0 45 tfsi will have 265 ps from 245ps (same as macan 2.0)

    This engine will be also in a Macan?


    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    Enzo II:

    0-100: 4,9 s (4,7 s SC)

    WTF. Our family hauler is faster than this. A brand new Porsche GTS model, which is supposed to be the sporty parts bin special, is slower than an Audi station wagon which was presented 8 years ago Smiley

    Yes, I know station wagons and SUVs should not be measured in acceleration numbers, but anyway... 


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