CloseI've been doing a bit of research on which on the multitude of super and hypercars announced in the last several years will actually get produced given the current economic situation and general market saturation. Article is:
Thoughts? Comments?
Jun 9, 2020 5:38:06 PM
Jun 9, 2020 6:21:18 PM
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Jun 9, 2020 6:27:06 PM
Jun 9, 2020 6:41:08 PM
SSO.:Porker:And agree, thanks for sharing SSO!
My pleasure. How accurate do you think the predictions are?
I'd love to find holes in the reasoning, but all of them look spot on to me. 
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With the major brands a good reasoning comes with the lowest possible amount produced. To me there is a difference of producing a small amount of Lotus Evija - or if Porsche or Ferrari would come out with a product in the same numbers - I would never buy a Battista or that Lotus. I also think 500 pcs like what Mclaren did (now 765 ?) is way to much to be really holding it's value. Anything around the 100 pcs mark from big names will be bought for sure - smaller brands have lesser chance in my view as there is no heritage or big enough 2nd hand market for them.
Jun 10, 2020 9:24:35 AM
the-missile:Your contribution to this forum is astonishing!
I couldn't agree more. 
Thanks, SSO. 
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RC:the-missile:Your contribution to this forum is astonishing!
I couldn't agree more.
Thanks, SSO.
Indeed!
Mike
918 Spyder + Tesla Roadster 1.5 & Model S P100D AP2 + Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid + BMW Z8 + BMW 3.0 CSi + Bentley Arnage T
What is the latest on the next Porsche Hypercar (918 successor)? Those are due every 10 years, right? So , due in around 3 years?
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Jun 11, 2020 11:48:38 AM
the-missile:Your contribution to this forum is astonishing!
... and on top of that, it is devoid of any political or sociological content! 
Regarding the article, I'd only have two things to add. What remains to be seen is how much demand there will be for supercars given that many people might set their priorities differently in the next couple of months and therefore a. how much demand will be for an electric supercar such as the Pininfarina and b. are the potential customers really significanty affected? I was told that in the last economic crisis twelve years ago the market for the upper end of yachts has endured a very small impact in orders whereas the lower-end yacht market in the range from half a million to three millions has been significantly troubled. I would assume this could also be the case with the very high-end offerings on your list, just that the numbers of speculators will be significantly lower and that part of "customer group" diminished.
Grant:What is the latest on the next Porsche Hypercar (918 successor)? Those are due every 10 years, right? So , due in around 3 years?
The plan was to be a all electric car. But with the turmoil within, date could slip.
918 is really the pinnacle of hybrid cars, not sure even Porsche can top themselves there. Maybe perhaps doing a turbo 4 with hybrid, a la 919.
Unless there is wholesale changes in car regulations, they won't be doing another conventional engine one anymore, pointless. Their hypercars are not just a halo car, it's a blueprint for their direction going forward, for testing new technologies. 911s have yet to be hybridize, and the 992 was designed from the grounds up to be able to support the hybrid system.
The 918 successor should be a 800V EV, but that's about all I can think of at the moment, as the Taycan is already pretty full featured, and no other EV is even remotely close to the Taycan on braking regen capture rate. I am guessing it's all hinging on LG delivering next generation of the 800V battery technology, but LG dropped the ball on the initial launch, and the virus isn't helping them catch up to market demand.
The Porsche 800V system already have the best charge and discharge rate of all EVs right now thanks to the 800V system, the only way to top that is to deliver higher density of energy storage, but that's completely on LG's plate.
They were suppose to run Formula E this year to further their research, but because of the virus that's on hold and it really does affect the street car side of the development.
I would not be surprised if the project gets delayed till 2022 or so for the concept to be shown at car show, say Geneva.
Grant:What is the latest on the next Porsche Hypercar (918 successor)? Those are due every 10 years, right? So , due in around 3 years?
As a Carrera GT owner, I was invited to the August 2011 long-lead preview of the 918 when itwas still in development. Had to sign 2 NDA (one in USA and one on arrival in Germany).
If the 10 year thing is true (Carrera GT 2004/2005 delivery - 918 2014/2015 delivery), then I should expect a long-lead preview in 2021.
Maybe virus slips it to 2022?
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Mike
918 Spyder + Tesla Roadster 1.5 & Model S P100D AP2 + Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid + BMW Z8 + BMW 3.0 CSi + Bentley Arnage T
SSO.:I would expect post Covid-19, all the next gen hypercars from Porsche, Ferrari, McLaren to get push back at least 12-24 month.
I can't talk about other companies but I know for a fact that there could be some serious changes at Porsche and Lamborghini due to the current pandemic and expected future economic and financial crisis. 
I am talking about future models, including hypercars and other projects. Everything is under review right now, some decisions have already been made, others are still ongoing.
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bridggar:....so am I right to wait until Q4 before thinking about ordering a C2 cab?
Depends... There won't be a facelift very soon, so the C2 Cab you order in Q4 won't be much different from the one available now.
Prices? Well, since I expect a serious economic and financial crisis knocking on our doors, maybe you should wait. I am pretty sure that some sweet deals will be possible at some point but maybe next year, not this year. We'll see.
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Lamborghini Huracan Performante (2019), Mercedes GLC63 S AMG (2020), Mercedes C63 S AMG Cab (2019), Range Rover Evoque Si4 Black Edition (2019)
SSO.:I've been doing a bit of research on which on the multitude of super and hypercars announced in the last several years will actually get produced given the current economic situation and general market saturation. Article is:
Thoughts? Comments?
Slightly off topic, but are you a James Bond fan by any chance SSO? :)
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