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Jun 20, 2016 9:59:18 AM

Porker: Rennteam VIP; Loc: SZ , Switzerland; Posts: 7062, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 17, 2005; Reply to: Gnil

Re: 991 GT3 RS

Gnil:
RC:
Btw: That woman in the GT3 RS without that OEM rear wing, how did she get street legal technical approval for that car? I thought that Switzerland had even more restrictive laws than Germany? In Germany, it is impossible to get approval for that (I know a GT3 owner who tried and it required the help of Porsche but Porsche refused...), it would require extensive re-testing of aerodynamics/etc., which would cost huge money (in the low six figures to get approval).

Did you ask her? Could be interesting.

She must of taken if off after registration . Next control is only in 4 years . She can put it back on just before the inspection . There are hardly any chances cops will make any problem as they are not aware of it + they look more for loud exhausts, un homologated rims, intakes .. that kind of stuff .

It looks really good in my opinion, I'd consider that as well if I had a 991.

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Jun 20, 2016 10:44:47 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59579, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Gnil

Re: 991 GT3 RS

Gnil:
RC:
Btw: That woman in the GT3 RS without that OEM rear wing, how did she get street legal technical approval for that car? I thought that Switzerland had even more restrictive laws than Germany? In Germany, it is impossible to get approval for that (I know a GT3 owner who tried and it required the help of Porsche but Porsche refused...), it would require extensive re-testing of aerodynamics/etc., which would cost huge money (in the low six figures to get approval).

Did you ask her? Could be interesting.

She must of taken if off after registration . Next control is only in 4 years . She can put it back on just before the inspection . There are hardly any chances cops will make any problem as they are not aware of it + they look more for loud exhausts, un homologated rims, intakes .. that kind of stuff .

In Germany, you loose insurance coverage if you do that. I suppose this is not the same in Switzerland? Smiley
I wish Porsche would offer a wing-less or similar option for their GT models but so far... Smiley

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Jun 20, 2016 10:46:49 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59579, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: pmarkow

Re: 991 GT3 RS

pmarkow:
Porsche vienna swapped my PCM surprisingly fast and yesterday we took off from vienna to central italy. 1000km in a day in the GT3RS, mostly highway. it was an easy drive except for 20min of hail between udine and venice with nowhere to hide since all the underpasses were already full with cars:::))) i thought my roof would be totally damaged but all is fine. later on there was heavy rain which reduced my speed to 80Km/h, then again sunshine...

so proof is here: the GT3RS is a great long distance GT car:::)))) now i shall fill the roads between siena and l'aquila with the RS sound:::)))

peter

Smiley Enjoy Bella Italia...and watch out for the cops. Smiley They are nice if you drive a nice car but maybe I was just only lucky. Smiley

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Jun 20, 2016 12:31:04 PM

pmarkow: Rennteam Pro; Loc: cambridge , United Kingdom; Posts: 2277, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 28, 2014; Reply to: RC

Re: 991 GT3 RS

RC:
pmarkow:
Porsche vienna swapped my PCM surprisingly fast and yesterday we took off from vienna to central italy. 1000km in a day in the GT3RS, mostly highway. it was an easy drive except for 20min of hail between udine and venice with nowhere to hide since all the underpasses were already full with cars:::))) i thought my roof would be totally damaged but all is fine. later on there was heavy rain which reduced my speed to 80Km/h, then again sunshine...

so proof is here: the GT3RS is a great long distance GT car:::)))) now i shall fill the roads between siena and l'aquila with the RS sound:::)))

peter

Enjoy Bella Italia...and watch out for the cops. They are nice if you drive a nice car but maybe I was just only lucky.

got caught in austria yesterday....doing 141 instead of 100 km/h. the policeman was friendly, knew everything about the GT3RS but said he could not let me off the hook. probably 100 euros, not too bad....

cheers p

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Jun 20, 2016 1:25:26 PM

d997h: Expert; Loc: . , Germany; Posts: 1810, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 24, 2005; Reply to: Gnil

Re: 991 GT3 RS

Next one is Mugello . 7 and/or 8 th of July .

- Who are the organizers ?

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Jun 20, 2016 1:43:58 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14167, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: d997h

Re: 991 GT3 RS

d997h:
Next one is Mugello . 7 and/or 8 th of July .

- Who are the organizers ?

It is organized by the Swiss federation of Porsche clubs , and it is during the free training days of the Swiss Porsche Cup Race .

It is open to all, even if not a Porsche ;-) , . If interested I can give you link to the inscriptions .

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Jun 20, 2016 2:04:22 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59579, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Gnil

Re: 991 GT3 RS

Mugello...nice...never been there. kiss

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Jun 20, 2016 2:07:33 PM

pmarkow: Rennteam Pro; Loc: cambridge , United Kingdom; Posts: 2277, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 28, 2014; Reply to: pmarkow

Re: 991 GT3 RS

pmarkow:
RC:
pmarkow:
Porsche vienna swapped my PCM surprisingly fast and yesterday we took off from vienna to central italy. 1000km in a day in the GT3RS, mostly highway. it was an easy drive except for 20min of hail between udine and venice with nowhere to hide since all the underpasses were already full with cars:::))) i thought my roof would be totally damaged but all is fine. later on there was heavy rain which reduced my speed to 80Km/h, then again sunshine...

so proof is here: the GT3RS is a great long distance GT car:::)))) now i shall fill the roads between siena and l'aquila with the RS sound:::)))

peter

Enjoy Bella Italia...and watch out for the cops. They are nice if you drive a nice car but maybe I was just only lucky.

got caught in austria yesterday....doing 141 instead of 100 km/h. the policeman was friendly, knew everything about the GT3RS but said he could not let me off the hook. probably 100 euros, not too bad....

cheers p

i got stopped a few times by italian policemen in my F458. first they politely tried some german words on me because of my vienna license plate but when i showed my italian ID i had the feeling that they want to see my tax declaration:::))))
ciaociao peter

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Jun 20, 2016 2:12:56 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14167, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: Gnil

Re: 991 GT3 RS

Here are 3 little videos I made while driving my RS at Paul Ricard showing each a part of the track and the last bit of cool down lap and back to the pit . Sorry for the amateurism . It was just a try .

https://youtu.be/2kM-8hT93mI

https://youtu.be/ooGLq6Q1Gdg

https://youtu.be/8g1EkZjFf1g

In the first video you can actually see the MclAren P1 do a few spins in the chicane .... ( looks in the left corner at 1:22 )

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Jun 20, 2016 6:08:13 PM

Enmanuel: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Boston , United States; Posts: 8841, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 7, 2008; Reply to: Gnil

Re: 991 GT3 RS

Fantastic pics Eric ! thanks so much for sharing !

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Jun 20, 2016 7:26:52 PM

Super Darius: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Italy-Como , Italy; Posts: 4084, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 7, 2002; Reply to: Enmanuel

Re: 991 GT3 RS

Great pics Eric,

i was in Mugello some years ago,with my former 996TT,great track,great match between Mugello And Imola for which one is better.

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Jun 21, 2016 3:37:01 AM

Pilot: Veteran; Loc: California , United States; Posts: 1238, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 8, 2007; Reply to: Gnil

Re: 991 GT3 RS

Gnil:
Here are 3 little videos I made while driving my RS at Paul Ricard showing each a part of the track and the last bit of cool down lap and back to the pit . Sorry for the amateurism . It was just a try .

https://youtu.be/2kM-8hT93mI

https://youtu.be/ooGLq6Q1Gdg

https://youtu.be/8g1EkZjFf1g

Thanks for sharing Gnil. You captured the fun and sweet sound of your RS just perfectly! Smiley

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Jun 21, 2016 11:46:58 AM

pride355: Rennteam Pro; Loc: iSTANBUL , Turkey; Posts: 2475, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 28, 2005; Reply to: Gnil

Re: 991 GT3 RS

Gnil:
I was on the Paul Ricard track at Le Castellet this week . ( South of France )

Here are a few pics of the event .

There was this yellow RS, driven by a women who does not like big wings . I did not meet her on track as we were in different groups, but she seemed fine without the wing....

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964 Carrera 4 -- 997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991 GT3 RS

I love the ducktail style new wing. It is much better than the original, IMO. Kudos to the owner. Smiley

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Jun 21, 2016 11:54:58 AM

Kobalt: Expert; Loc: Europe , Sweden; Posts: 1819, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 18, 2015; Reply to: pride355

Re: 991 GT3 RS

Regarding the service action to fix rubbing:

I finally got my car to a Porsche Workshop:

They got an advice from Porsche for a specific setup for every 991 GT3RS to avoid to much scratching of the fenders. It is 2mm higher in the front and 5mm higher in the rear than my current setup (factory setup).

The car is currently at the shop and I will use it next week so I don't know much more.

Soo

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Jun 21, 2016 11:56:18 AM

olli: Pilot; Loc: Germany; Posts: 418, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 24, 2006; Reply to: pride355

Re: 991 GT3 RS

Still, a risky thing to do, it could seriously undermine the car's aerodynamic balance and stability, in particular if the level of downforce at the front (front splitter/spoiler lip) is left unchanged; therefore the car would oversteer much more than usual.

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Jun 21, 2016 12:17:36 PM

Kobalt: Expert; Loc: Europe , Sweden; Posts: 1819, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 18, 2015; Reply to: olli

Re: 991 GT3 RS

Strange that it is a suggestion from Porsche then.

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Jun 21, 2016 12:41:16 PM

olli: Pilot; Loc: Germany; Posts: 418, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 24, 2006; Reply to: Kobalt

Re: 991 GT3 RS

I was referring to the ducktail wing!

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Jun 21, 2016 1:05:15 PM

fritz: Rennteam VIP; Loc: BaWü , Germany; Posts: 10248, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 23, 2003; Reply to: olli

Re: 991 GT3 RS

olli:
Still, a risky thing to do, it could seriously undermine the car's aerodynamic balance and stability, in particular if the level of downforce at the front (front splitter/spoiler lip) is left unchanged; therefore the car would oversteer much more than usual.

Now that I know you're talking about the deleted rear wing and not the slightly increased ground clearance Smiley : +1 Smiley

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Jun 21, 2016 2:30:32 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14167, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: Kobalt

Re: 991 GT3 RS

Kobalt:
Regarding the service action to fix rubbing:

I finally got my car to a Porsche Workshop:

They got an advice from Porsche for a specific setup for every 991 GT3RS to avoid to much scratching of the fenders. It is 2mm higher in the front and 5mm higher in the rear than my current setup (factory setup).

The car is currently at the shop and I will use it next week so I don't know much more.

Soo

So you are staying with the new factory alignments ? You are not doing your own geometry ?

My sales guy is pushing me to do a more aggressive alignment , but I am not sure about it . Not convinced it will be better . As to the rubbing, at my garage, they say they only do the new setting if it touches regularly . It is not mandatory to do, it is an option Porsche proposes for the cars that touch .

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964 Carrera 4 -- 997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991 GT3 RS

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Jun 21, 2016 2:32:46 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14167, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: pride355

Re: 991 GT3 RS

pride355:
Gnil:
I was on the Paul Ricard track at Le Castellet this week . ( South of France )

Here are a few pics of the event .

There was this yellow RS, driven by a women who does not like big wings . I did not meet her on track as we were in different groups, but she seemed fine without the wing....

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964 Carrera 4 -- 997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991 GT3 RS

I love the ducktail style new wing. It is much better than the original, IMO. Kudos to the owner.

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ONUR

458 italia

This ducktail is there on all RS . The wing comes attached to it . On this car they diid not change the tail, only took off the wing.

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964 Carrera 4 -- 997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991 GT3 RS

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Jun 21, 2016 2:35:41 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14167, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: Gnil

Re: 991 GT3 RS

For speed limited roads, I don't believe one second, taking the wing off can do any unsettling of the car . Maybe at speed on German Highways, but not speeds up to 120 km/h .

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964 Carrera 4 -- 997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991 GT3 RS

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Jun 21, 2016 2:55:02 PM

olli: Pilot; Loc: Germany; Posts: 418, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 24, 2006; Reply to: Gnil

Re: 991 GT3 RS

...agreed, Gnil, but I thought this picture was taken during a track day event.

Spirited driving on track will make the absence of the rear wing very obvious in terms of its effect on the handling of the car.

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Jun 21, 2016 3:00:12 PM

Kobalt: Expert; Loc: Europe , Sweden; Posts: 1819, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 18, 2015; Reply to: olli

Re: 991 GT3 RS

olli:
I was referring to the ducktail wing!

Smiley

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Jun 21, 2016 3:02:41 PM

Kobalt: Expert; Loc: Europe , Sweden; Posts: 1819, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 18, 2015; Reply to: Gnil

Re: 991 GT3 RS

Gnil:

So you are staying with the new factory alignments ? You are not doing your own geometry ?

Well, I was under the impression that Porsche demanded it to be stock alignment when doing the service action...

But anyway: I drive the car as it is now until I feel that I need a new experience - then I might try something different. I like to get a "new" car once in a while. Sometimes just changing the alignment might give just that.

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Jun 21, 2016 3:52:01 PM

fritz: Rennteam VIP; Loc: BaWü , Germany; Posts: 10248, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 23, 2003; Reply to: Kobalt

Re: 991 GT3 RS

Kobalt:
Gnil:

So you are staying with the new factory alignments ? You are not doing your own geometry ?

Well, I was under the impression that Porsche demanded it to be stock alignment when doing the service action...

Has Porsche issued a new Technical Service Bulletin maybe, which has slightly revised factory alignment settings? Smiley
Another alternative possibility is that some cars have drifted outside the factory settings since delivery, and this service campaign involves resetting them to within the "approved" (because unproblematic) tolerance range.

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Jun 21, 2016 3:54:38 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59579, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: olli

Re: 991 GT3 RS

olli:
...agreed, Gnil, but I thought this picture was taken during a track day event.

Spirited driving on track will make the absence of the rear wing very obvious in terms of its effect on the handling of the car.

Don't even try to explain that to people, many won't agree. I have seen (car) things in the US, you would get nightmares about it. Smiley

Gnil is right when he says it won't affect aerodynamics at Swiss (legal) speeds but on the track, speeds easily exceed 200-240 kph and the aerodynamical balance of a car is crucial to high speed stability. A small bump can already put the driver in danger...

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Jun 21, 2016 4:05:28 PM

Super Darius: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Italy-Como , Italy; Posts: 4084, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 7, 2002; Reply to: RC

Re: 991 GT3 RS

An RS without a wing is not an RS.

Maybe is better to buy another car,mmh not maybe. indecision

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Jun 21, 2016 4:44:55 PM

pmarkow: Rennteam Pro; Loc: cambridge , United Kingdom; Posts: 2277, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 28, 2014; Reply to: Super Darius

Re: 991 GT3 RS

Super Darius:
An RS without a wing is not an RS.

Maybe is better to buy another car,mmh not maybe.

+100

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Jun 21, 2016 4:57:02 PM

m4ever: Veteran; Loc: Czech Republic , Italy; Posts: 1051, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 30, 2005; Reply to: pmarkow

Re: 991 GT3 RS

I guess Porsche spent hundreds of hours in the wind tunnel , computer simulations and extensive road testing in order to create a high end sports car . Removing the wing could create an unpredictable behavior ; quite a big risk just to satisfy ones aesthetical desire (not to mention that no insurance would ever cover any accident damage as the car is not road legal any longer, I assume). Said that I like it too. This what people do when they cannot buy the R , I suppose.

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Jun 21, 2016 5:27:00 PM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21148, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: m4ever

Re: 991 GT3 RS

This is just my humble opinion but if you buy an RS and take the rear wing off just like that, you shouldn't be driving an RS, you bought the wrong car... not that I'm a fan of such rear wings aesthetically, much much preffer the looks of the 911R, but its there for a purpose, not for looks, and part of that purpose is why you would buy such a car in the first place. Again just my opinion though.

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