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Re: Boxster Turbo
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I have heard rumors of a Boxster Turbo can any one confirm this
This rumor is pretty old but still valid.
I heard from various sources that Porsche is testing a Boxster Turbo engine but when it is coming or IF it is coming...nobody really knows.
The Boxster Coupe might be a perfect candidate for a Turbo engine, maybe with 310-315 HP. Nothing spectacular and nothing to make the 911 look bad but 315 horses in a Boxster should be fun.
I'm not sure a Boxster Turbo makes sense because Porsche can easily bring the current Boxster S engine to over 300 HP without major problems but of course it would be a nice marketing "gag" to offer a turbo charged engine in the Boxster.
Dec 12, 2004 12:18:48 PM
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Re: Boxster Turbo
Boxster Turbo wouldn't make sense to me for four reasons:
- The Boxster engine is basically an M96.03 carrera engine with less capacity and its not made for turbocharging, as neither the carrera engine, thats why the 996TT uses a different engine.
- Increasing HP on the Bosxter can be easily done instead by simply increasing capacity since there is plenty of room in its mid-engined platform, and they even already have that engine available since the 3.6 carrera engine makes 325HP. The could even maybe fit the 380HP GT3 engine/tranny but that would be very expensive for such a car.
- Turbocharging would only make sense if they wanted to bring HP to significantly high figures as in the close to 400HP range since that wouldn't be posible with an atmospheric engine without spending lots of R&D for developing a completely new engine. And a Boxster with that sort of power would be too much competition to their main brand image, the 911.
- And lastly, turbocharging does not fit the Boxster philosophy of the lighter, smaller, more agile and playfull mid-engined two seater with a lively high-reving N/A engine.
But like RC says, you never know, if its profitable within the overall Porsche model range scheme then...
I would prefer to see a lightweight Boxster Coupe RS
- The Boxster engine is basically an M96.03 carrera engine with less capacity and its not made for turbocharging, as neither the carrera engine, thats why the 996TT uses a different engine.
- Increasing HP on the Bosxter can be easily done instead by simply increasing capacity since there is plenty of room in its mid-engined platform, and they even already have that engine available since the 3.6 carrera engine makes 325HP. The could even maybe fit the 380HP GT3 engine/tranny but that would be very expensive for such a car.
- Turbocharging would only make sense if they wanted to bring HP to significantly high figures as in the close to 400HP range since that wouldn't be posible with an atmospheric engine without spending lots of R&D for developing a completely new engine. And a Boxster with that sort of power would be too much competition to their main brand image, the 911.
- And lastly, turbocharging does not fit the Boxster philosophy of the lighter, smaller, more agile and playfull mid-engined two seater with a lively high-reving N/A engine.
But like RC says, you never know, if its profitable within the overall Porsche model range scheme then...
I would prefer to see a lightweight Boxster Coupe RS
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Re: Boxster Turbo
Carlos, everything you say sounds right. BUT...you forget MARKETING. A Boxster Turbo would definetely boost sales and it would be an image carrier. And of course the new Boxster engine can be turbo charged, somebody I know very very well already saw one at Weissach among other prototypes. 
You go with your thoughts into the wrong direction. A lightweight Boxster RS will never happen because the Boxster hasn't been developped for racing and Porsche surely doesn't want to hurt 911 sales.
But a Boxster Turbo would be something different... It isn't about power, it is about the name and prestige. 
A Boxster Turbo would definetely boost sales and it would be an image carrier. And of course the new Boxster engine can be turbo charged, somebody I know very very well already saw one at Weissach among other prototypes. You go with your thoughts into the wrong direction. A lightweight Boxster RS will never happen because the Boxster hasn't been developped for racing and Porsche surely doesn't want to hurt 911 sales.
But a Boxster Turbo would be something different...
It isn't about power, it is about the name and prestige.
Re: Boxster Turbo
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Carlos, everything you say sounds right. BUT...you forget MARKETING.
You go with your thoughts into the wrong direction. A lightweight Boxster RS will never happen because the Boxster hasn't been developped for racing and Porsche surely doesn't want to hurt 911 sales.
But a Boxster Turbo would be something different...
Completely true, very sad.
Re: Boxster Turbo
RC, I understand your point especially it would make sense from a consistency in product range point of view, all models in non-S denomination, S and Turbo. I think consistency would help position the Boxster Turbo without alienating sales in carrera.
Although this rumor has been around for long, do you think that it is anything but a rumor at this stage? put it this way, if you were thinking about buying a 987 but had a 986 03 would you wait for or not?
Thanks.
Although this rumor has been around for long, do you think that it is anything but a rumor at this stage? put it this way, if you were thinking about buying a 987 but had a 986 03 would you wait for or not?
Thanks.
Re: Boxster Turbo
Sorry, but everybody is talking about the SLK 55 AMG with 350HP. Where is the porsche reply?
My opinion? There is enough place for such kind of car.
And there is no problem between SL 350 and SLK 55 AMG, too.
These cars are something special and for some people the right choice. The sucess of all small models with big engine give me right.
My opinion? There is enough place for such kind of car.
And there is no problem between SL 350 and SLK 55 AMG, too.
These cars are something special and for some people the right choice. The sucess of all small models with big engine give me right.
Re: Boxster Turbo
OK, I try to be honest with you: if you own a 03 Boxster, it doesn't make much sense to upgrade now immediately.
Unless you want to move from a 03 Boxster 2.7 to a 05 Boxster S. It is thrown out money because even the 03 Boxster is a very good and refined car. If you would own a Boxster from the first generation with the 204 HP or 252 HP engines, I would definetely recommend an "upgrade" to the new Boxster. This would be a different story.
The new Boxster S shows impressive performance: a german car magazine recently tested it a 19.9 seconds from 0-125 mph. This is better than the 993 C2 and at par with early 996 Cabs. Impressive. And finally: Boxster S drivers can outrun the Cayenne Turbo.
I know this sounds dumb but I have a friend who owns a Boxster S (260 HP) and he was pretty frustrated when he wasn't able to follow me in my Cayenne Turbo (of course I'm talking about straight line performance only!).
Also the BMW M3 Cab has been tested by various car magazines at around 19-20 seconds from 0-125 mph, so the new Boxster S finally plays in a different league now.
I heard that IF a Turbo engine is coming, it comes for the Boxster Coupe (or whatever it will be called) only at the beginning to promote it. And a little birdie told me that the next Boxster facelift brings the power of the Boxster S to "around 300 HP", which might be 295 or 300 or even 305 HP. And there is still room for a Boxster Turbo with 320 HP or slightly more after a 997 facelift.
And of course, like KF said, there is room for a high power version of the Boxster to be able to compete with the SLK.
This is actually where I condemn Porsche's strategy regarding power figures.
I try to explain: if Porsche would have forgotten about a 997 Carrera with 325 HP, there would have been room for a high power version of a Boxster with let's say 340 HP.
The 997 Carrera should have had 355 HP from the start and the Carrera S 380 HP. This would have been the PERFECT combo in my opinion, making room for stronger Boxsters too and allowing 997 customers to feel a real power increase.
325 HP on the 997 Carrera are more than ridiculous and it seems customers "punish" Porsche for that by buying mainly the Carrera S.
Porsche can't ignore the car markets completely. The SLK 55 AMG is a serious "threat" with it's 997 Carrera like straight line performance. And if BMW decides to bring a Z4 M version with minimum 360 HP, the Boxster is in trouble again. Of course the Boxster isn't about power only but nowadays, when economies worldwide aren't working that well, people want a real VALUE for their money and they look twice before they spend their precious money on a car.
If people have a bad feeling by spending a lot of money for a car, they won't do that.
I have to admit that I don't understand Porsche's marketing strategy right now and it should be a SERIOUS warning for them that they sell more Cayenne than sports cars.
And even with the Cayenne they make a lot of mistakes, these mistakes will show off as soon as the new M-class and X5 show up. But what do I know...I'm just a dumb customer. 
Unless you want to move from a 03 Boxster 2.7 to a 05 Boxster S.
It is thrown out money because even the 03 Boxster is a very good and refined car. If you would own a Boxster from the first generation with the 204 HP or 252 HP engines, I would definetely recommend an "upgrade" to the new Boxster. This would be a different story.The new Boxster S shows impressive performance: a german car magazine recently tested it a 19.9 seconds from 0-125 mph. This is better than the 993 C2 and at par with early 996 Cabs. Impressive. And finally: Boxster S drivers can outrun the Cayenne Turbo.
I know this sounds dumb but I have a friend who owns a Boxster S (260 HP) and he was pretty frustrated when he wasn't able to follow me in my Cayenne Turbo (of course I'm talking about straight line performance only!).Also the BMW M3 Cab has been tested by various car magazines at around 19-20 seconds from 0-125 mph, so the new Boxster S finally plays in a different league now.
I heard that IF a Turbo engine is coming, it comes for the Boxster Coupe (or whatever it will be called
) only at the beginning to promote it. And a little birdie told me that the next Boxster facelift brings the power of the Boxster S to "around 300 HP", which might be 295 or 300 or even 305 HP. And there is still room for a Boxster Turbo with 320 HP or slightly more after a 997 facelift.And of course, like KF said, there is room for a high power version of the Boxster to be able to compete with the SLK.
This is actually where I condemn Porsche's strategy regarding power figures.
I try to explain: if Porsche would have forgotten about a 997 Carrera with 325 HP, there would have been room for a high power version of a Boxster with let's say 340 HP.
The 997 Carrera should have had 355 HP from the start and the Carrera S 380 HP. This would have been the PERFECT combo in my opinion, making room for stronger Boxsters too and allowing 997 customers to feel a real power increase.
325 HP on the 997 Carrera are more than ridiculous and it seems customers "punish" Porsche for that by buying mainly the Carrera S.
Porsche can't ignore the car markets completely. The SLK 55 AMG is a serious "threat" with it's 997 Carrera like straight line performance. And if BMW decides to bring a Z4 M version with minimum 360 HP, the Boxster is in trouble again. Of course the Boxster isn't about power only but nowadays, when economies worldwide aren't working that well, people want a real VALUE for their money and they look twice before they spend their precious money on a car.
If people have a bad feeling by spending a lot of money for a car, they won't do that.
I have to admit that I don't understand Porsche's marketing strategy right now and it should be a SERIOUS warning for them that they sell more Cayenne than sports cars.
And even with the Cayenne they make a lot of mistakes, these mistakes will show off as soon as the new M-class and X5 show up. But what do I know...I'm just a dumb customer.
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Re: Boxster Turbo
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Joost said:
So RC, when is it that you star working for the boys in Stuttgart? I think that would make a lot of people happy!
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I'm afraid they're not paying good enough.
Just kidding.
I'm sure I wouldn't make ALL people happy, shareholders for example wouldn't be too happy because my "strategy" wouldn't bring a lot of money, just a lot of happy customers. And what would YOU want if you're a company: more money or happy customers?
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