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Leawood911:

RC - if the Performante has only different injectors and ECU it would be the perfect replacement for your R8!  Fantastic sound from that v10 as well.  With the EVO coming out the ‘older car’ may even be discounted. 😎👍

I already ordered a Performante...I think I mentioned it in another thread to you.

The Evo is the facelift, no more "older" cars. Production starts in February (I think), Performante and Huracan (only LP580-2 I think) production continues until April 2019 or so.

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mercedes E63 S AMG Edition 1 (2018), Mercedes C63 S AMG Cab (2019), Range Rover Evoque Si4 Black Edition (2019)

RC:

the-missile:

 

Never saw audi R8 on track day...and saw one Huracan for 30 minutes. GT Porsche are just there at every single event... yes, bullet proof never pushed engine compared to abused cars...

Simple reason for that: Just look at the price tags.  

not really. tons of McLaren are joining as well including 2RS

the audi has just no appeal and sale is closed to zero...so no chance to hard test it here.

Lambo is a boulevard cruiser and has a gold digger vaccum reputation even if the performante is great machine.

So, comparing reliability between the engines is not really valid and being sure of having bullet proof is a bit optimistic.

GT Lover, Porsche fan

991.2 GT3 manual, 991 GT3 2014(sold)

Cayenne GTS 2014

RC:

Leawood911:

RC - if the Performante has only different injectors and ECU it would be the perfect replacement for your R8!  Fantastic sound from that v10 as well.  With the EVO coming out the ‘older car’ may even be discounted. 😎👍

I already ordered a Performante...I think I mentioned it in another thread to you.

The Evo is the facelift, no more "older" cars. Production starts in February (I think), Performante and Huracan (only LP580-2 I think) production continues until April 2019 or so.

Performante over the Evo. then take the GT Evo when available if required. base car is always meh

GT Lover, Porsche fan

991.2 GT3 manual, 991 GT3 2014(sold)

Cayenne GTS 2014

the-missile:

RC:

Leawood911:

RC - if the Performante has only different injectors and ECU it would be the perfect replacement for your R8!  Fantastic sound from that v10 as well.  With the EVO coming out the ‘older car’ may even be discounted. 😎👍

I already ordered a Performante...I think I mentioned it in another thread to you.

The Evo is the facelift, no more "older" cars. Production starts in February (I think), Performante and Huracan (only LP580-2 I think) production continues until April 2019 or so.

Performante over the Evo. then take the GT Evo when available if required. base car is always meh

No doubt.  Probably sticking with Performante even if the Evo "Performante" comes out. Particulate filter, noise regulations and whatnot...also the possible price tag of the next one. If the Evo is already 17k EUR more than the previous car, how much will Lambo charge for the next "Performante"? Ouch.

I waited for the Performante my whole life (seriously, perfect car for me), so... The R8 was a great fun car for little money (only now I realize for how little ) and I had it over two years and didn't regret a second driving it. The Performante is the GT3 RS version of my R8 "911 Carrera" if you get the point, so it is exactly what I always wanted. 

If Audi would have offered a R8 GT... Huracan Performante maintenance, insurance, etc. isn't as expensive as I thought it would be but still more than double (in average) than R8 cost. Also, lease cost is insanely expensive, it only makes sense if I buy the car after the lease ends. So either way, I am going to end up with the Performante (buying or leasing), no sense to get another car.

The Performante is staying my "forever" fun weekend car, this doesn't mean I won't get other cars along the way. When the AMG leases run out in 2-3 years, the (car) cards are re-shuffled again. 

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the-missile:

RC:

the-missile:

 

Never saw audi R8 on track day...and saw one Huracan for 30 minutes. GT Porsche are just there at every single event... yes, bullet proof never pushed engine compared to abused cars...

Simple reason for that: Just look at the price tags.  

not really. tons of McLaren are joining as well including 2RS

the audi has just no appeal and sale is closed to zero...so no chance to hard test it here.

Lambo is a boulevard cruiser and has a gold digger vaccum reputation even if the performante is great machine.

So, comparing reliability between the engines is not really valid and being sure of having bullet proof is a bit optimistic.

 

In our driving group, there is only one McLaren but tons of Porsches and Lamborghinis (mostly Aventadors, only one Performante) and only one Ferrari (488). Even two AMGs (GT-S and SL63). Probably depends on the region, track, car group, people, etc..

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mercedes E63 S AMG Edition 1 (2018), Mercedes C63 S AMG Cab (2019), Range Rover Evoque Si4 Black Edition (2019)

RC:

The Performante is staying my "forever" fun weekend car, this doesn't mean I won't get other cars along the way. When the AMG leases run out in 2-3 years, the (car) cards are re-shuffled again. 

You know exactly what you gonna start here if you use "my car" and the word "forever" in one sentence, don‘t you? 

We're at the point where you can be the fastest or just sound like you're the fastest.



The secret of life is to admire without desiring.

@ RC: Performante would also be my choice if it would not get banned from several tracks in Germany and other countries in Europe due its great but too too loud noise :-(

But I understand that you want to drive the car on the road only?

This noise issue on track is becoming a serious problem for trackday afficionados like me!

AMG GTR / Lotus Exige Cup 430 Type 25 / 991.1 GT3 RS / Cayman GT4 / 997.2 GT3 RS 3.8 / 997.2 GT3 / Lotus Exige S / 964 Turbo 3.3

Rossi:

RC:

The Performante is staying my "forever" fun weekend car, this doesn't mean I won't get other cars along the way. When the AMG leases run out in 2-3 years, the (car) cards are re-shuffled again. 

You know exactly what you gonna start here if you use "my car" and the word "forever" in one sentence, don‘t you? 

  I was immediately ready to pounce. 

Rossi:

RC:

The Performante is staying my "forever" fun weekend car, this doesn't mean I won't get other cars along the way. When the AMG leases run out in 2-3 years, the (car) cards are re-shuffled again. 

You know exactly what you gonna start here if you use "my car" and the word "forever" in one sentence, don‘t you? 

Of course... 

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mercedes E63 S AMG Edition 1 (2018), Mercedes C63 S AMG Cab (2019), Range Rover Evoque Si4 Black Edition (2019)

GoHardGT3RS:

@ RC: Performante would also be my choice if it would not get banned from several tracks in Germany and other countries in Europe due its great but too too loud noise :-(

Yes, this could be a problem indeed but I haven't heard (yet) of customer cars being banned from tracks during track events, only test cars. Maybe you have different information?

But I understand that you want to drive the car on the road only?

No. I'm usually doing one to two fixed (bigger, mostly an entire weekend plus Friday) track events per year with a few buddies (some sort of tradition) and everything else is wide open. We also drive a lot on pass roads but that's of course a different story.

I am hoping for some track fun with Lamborghini, they seem to organize a track event from time to time, so maybe (out of curiosity) I am going to be there.

No more serious track racing for me, too expensive and too much time involved.  I barely have the time to have those weekends with my buddies, not even talking about the cost involved because these "geniuses" always choose the best hotels and I end up paying over 2k EUR for a weekend with some driving, hotel room and food. Too much (for me) for such a short fun.

This noise issue on track is becoming a serious problem for trackday afficionados like me!

Depends on the track and the event but yes, like I said before, this could be a problem. 

The new Huracan Evo has Ego mode, so no real problem here, you can set the exhaust quieter.

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I rode in a Huracan Performante in late 2017 ... I thought it sounded pretty good, but not loud enough.  (My GT3 has a very loud exhaust, however)

Guest:

I rode in a Huracan Performante in late 2017 ... I thought it sounded pretty good, but not loud enough.  (My GT3 has a very loud exhaust, however)

In Corsa mode? It is basically straight piped (with cats) when you switch to Corsa. 

I know all the stock GT3 models on this planet and none sounds (loudness) even close to the Performante.

Let me guess: You straight piped yours and removed the cats? There is a reason the Performante was banned from the Nordschleife during the Supertest...a first, as far as I understood, for a street legal car.

Does it really matter? For me, yes. The reason is simple: Any exhaust mod could get me in serious trouble in Germany, including tax evasion (no kidding) but usually, the car is at least confiscated and towed, which can be a big annoyance and involving serious money (towing, TÜV check-up/sound check and fines, etc. can be up to 1200 EUR and even much more if they follow up with the tax evasion accusation).

Meaning: I do not get in serious trouble if the car is stock, even if the police stops me (and boy do they stop loud cars often now in Germany...).

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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mercedes E63 S AMG Edition 1 (2018), Mercedes C63 S AMG Cab (2019), Range Rover Evoque Si4 Black Edition (2019)

Regarding seeing no R8’s on trackdays: I see tons of them (LMS) on Spa every time I go 

997.2 4S / BMW X5 40e / Donkervoort GT 

spudgun:

Regarding seeing no R8’s on trackdays: I see tons of them (LMS) on Spa every time I go 

I even saw some passing GT3 RSs...  

Depends on the track, track days, etc.. 
 

I am pretty sure however that more R8 are on the track than Huracan, this is true.

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Christian, you made the right choice. It gives me enormous pleasure one someone like yourself covets a car for so long and finally has the wherewithal to obtain it and does so. Life is too fragile to not take advantage of opportunities when the present themselves. I salute you.

Stress is man made.

RC:

Guest:

I rode in a Huracan Performante in late 2017 ... I thought it sounded pretty good, but not loud enough.  (My GT3 has a very loud exhaust, however)

In Corsa mode? It is basically straight piped (with cats) when you switch to Corsa. 

I know all the stock GT3 models on this planet and none sounds (loudness) even close to the Performante.

Let me guess: You straight piped yours and removed the cats? There is a reason the Performante was banned from the Nordschleife during the Supertest...a first, as far as I understood, for a street legal car.

Does it really matter? For me, yes. The reason is simple: Any exhaust mod could get me in serious trouble in Germany, including tax evasion (no kidding) but usually, the car is at least confiscated and towed, which can be a big annoyance and involving serious money (towing, TÜV check-up/sound check and fines, etc. can be up to 1200 EUR and even much more if they follow up with the tax evasion accusation).

Meaning: I do not get in serious trouble if the car is stock, even if the police stops me (and boy do they stop loud cars often now in Germany...).

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Yes, mine has a much louder exhaust; I live in Trumplandia, so it's not a problem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrArfDbuhvo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOLpcVcd5Gk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5mTBkJXb-s

Impressive! In a different league.

Funny - this car is for sure very impressive. But it lets me ice cold. Either I'm getting old and lose my passion for cars (for sure that's a part of it) - or the current Ferrari line up is just boring. 

Same here. I used to love special series V8s, but this one does not speak to me.

V12 however!

Lars997:

Funny - this car is for sure very impressive. But it lets me ice cold. Either I'm getting old and lose my passion for cars (for sure that's a part of it) - or the current Ferrari line up is just boring. 

I'd always have a Speciale instead of the Pista... And maybe even rather a Challenge Stradale if I could fit in it.

1969 Mercedes-Benz 300SEL 6.3  / 2008 Porsche 911 GT3 RS (sold) / 2011 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Performance / 2014 BMW-Alpina D3 biturbo Touring / 2018 Porsche 911 GT3 Clubsport

Porker:

Lars997:

Funny - this car is for sure very impressive. But it lets me ice cold. Either I'm getting old and lose my passion for cars (for sure that's a part of it) - or the current Ferrari line up is just boring. 

I'd always have a Speciale instead of the Pista... And maybe even rather a Challenge Stradale if I could fit in it.

Just wait for the V6 Biturbo Hybrid successor...    Maybe time for Ferrari to switch to EVs completely? 

If I had the money, I'd buy a 458 Speciale (maybe even the Aperta), the F12 tdf (although this car is insanely difficult to drive really fast) and the 812 Superfast. Maybe even a FF for those weekends with the family. Must be great to be able to collect your dream cars... 

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RC:

[...]

Just wait for the V6 Biturbo Hybrid successor...    Maybe time for Ferrari to switch to EVs completely? 

If I had the money, I'd buy a 458 Speciale (maybe even the Aperta), the F12 tdf (although this car is insanely difficult to drive really fast) and the 812 Superfast. Maybe even a FF for those weekends with the family. Must be great to be able to collect your dream cars... 

+1.

RC:

Porker:

Lars997:

Funny - this car is for sure very impressive. But it lets me ice cold. Either I'm getting old and lose my passion for cars (for sure that's a part of it) - or the current Ferrari line up is just boring. 

I'd always have a Speciale instead of the Pista... And maybe even rather a Challenge Stradale if I could fit in it.

Just wait for the V6 Biturbo Hybrid successor...    Maybe time for Ferrari to switch to EVs completely? 

If I had the money, I'd buy a 458 Speciale (maybe even the Aperta), the F12 tdf (although this car is insanely difficult to drive really fast) and the 812 Superfast. Maybe even a FF for those weekends with the family. Must be great to be able to collect your dream cars... 

For Performante money, you could have bought a slightly used Speciale Berlinetta instead...

We're at the point where you can be the fastest or just sound like you're the fastest.



The secret of life is to admire without desiring.

Porker:

Lars997:

Funny - this car is for sure very impressive. But it lets me ice cold. Either I'm getting old and lose my passion for cars (for sure that's a part of it) - or the current Ferrari line up is just boring. 

I'd always have a Speciale instead of the Pista... And maybe even rather a Challenge Stradale if I could fit in it.

It’s hard to reach the conclusion of Speciale vs Pista until you have driven both though my bias would be Speciale too. On the Challenge Stradale vs Speciale - that is a no contest. The Speciale wins hands down.

Rossi:

RC:

Porker:

Lars997:

Funny - this car is for sure very impressive. But it lets me ice cold. Either I'm getting old and lose my passion for cars (for sure that's a part of it) - or the current Ferrari line up is just boring. 

I'd always have a Speciale instead of the Pista... And maybe even rather a Challenge Stradale if I could fit in it.

Just wait for the V6 Biturbo Hybrid successor...    Maybe time for Ferrari to switch to EVs completely? 

If I had the money, I'd buy a 458 Speciale (maybe even the Aperta), the F12 tdf (although this car is insanely difficult to drive really fast) and the 812 Superfast. Maybe even a FF for those weekends with the family. Must be great to be able to collect your dream cars... 

For Performante money, you could have bought a slightly used Speciale Berlinetta instead...

I know but I didn't really wanted a used car and the Performante is just a different beast. 

When I mentioned the 458 Speciale, I was talking about a hypothetical dream garage as a hypothetical super rich person with the possibility to own 20-30 supercars.  Since I can barely afford the Performante, I think I'm good. 

Here is my dream garage car list:

- Lamborghini Huracan Performante

- Lamborghini Huracan Performante Spyder

- Lamborghini Aventador SVJ

- Lamborghini Aventador SVJ Roadster

- Ferrari Pista

- Ferrari F430 Scuderia (I just like it)

- Ferrari 458 Speciale (Aperta?...or both )

- Ferrari FF

- Ferrari F12 tdf

- Ferrari 812 Superfast

- McLaren 600LT

- McLaren 720S

- Porsche 991.2 GT2 RS

- Porsche 991.2 GT3 RS

- Mercedes AMG GT-R

- Jaguar F-Type SVR

- Aston Martin V12 Vantage

- Lamborghini Urus

- Mercedes G63 AMG

- Rolls Royce Ghost

- McLaren Senna

- Porsche 918

- Porsche Carrera GT

- Lexus LFA

- Ferrari F40

- McLaren F1

- Ferrari LaFerrari

- Range Rover Sport SVR

I bet I could think of more cars... 

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Hey wait a minute now, that should be a fun thread all buy itself: "name your dream garage, but add certain practical parameters like max 3 or 5 & max budget etc and so on"

Upsa:

Hey wait a minute now, that should be a fun thread all buy itself: "name your dream garage, but add certain practical parameters like max 3 or 5 & max budget etc and so on"

 Why not...I open a new thread in the Sportscars section... 

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Porker:

Lars997:

Funny - this car is for sure very impressive. But it lets me ice cold. Either I'm getting old and lose my passion for cars (for sure that's a part of it) - or the current Ferrari line up is just boring. 

I'd always have a Speciale instead of the Pista... And maybe even rather a Challenge Stradale if I could fit in it.

+ 1 

488 is actually a badly done face lift of the 458 ( for the aesthetics )  The Pista does not give me any emotions unlike the  Speciale , the Scuderia 

 964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991.2 GT3 RS 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhYHUyG9h30