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May 13, 2016 7:12:56 PM

The farmer: Senior; Loc: Stockholm , Sweden; Posts: 687, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 25, 2016; Reply to: nberry

Re: 991 GT3 RS

Just back from three track days, Wed-Fri, where Wed was limited to only GT cars ( RS,GT3 and GT 4). Just great fun and I even have I selfie of me and Markus Eriksson, taken by HIM....! smiley

Based on the talk in the pit, during dinner and every where else, the demand for GT cars is picking up fast. And regarding the 991.2 RS its going to be EXTREMELY difficult to get one, if you put together all the new RS "wanttohaves" with the gigantic list of people that didn't get .1 RS to a .2 RS list laugh

My Porsche contacts tells can me (but I don't really dare to trust them on this, since this is going to be BIG fight among all the people on the .2 RS list...)that I have a good chance to get one. Hope for the best ! blush

If it doesn't work out with the GT3 RS I can always comoft me with the facit that I'm VERY well positioned for the GT2 RS.... kiss

Somedays I which I could combine my looks whit Whoopsys dealer status......

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May 13, 2016 7:27:59 PM

DaveGordon: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Zürich , Switzerland; Posts: 2774, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 20, 2007; Reply to: The farmer

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Nice kiss which track(s)?

It does seem demand for GTs is on the increase - I wonder why this is? That series models are getting more boring with poor feel? Or people looking for a fun asset which holds good value? Or just flippers looking to make a buck in the speculation market?

It also makes me wonder about P's marketing strategy - how come the 'niche' model is in such demand, which either can't or won't be satisfied? I'm starting to think that if Porsche said upfront that they'll build enough to meet demand, then a lot of people would lose interest.

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May 13, 2016 7:32:37 PM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: DaveGordon

Re: 991 GT3 RS

Exactly. The regular 991 now with turbo is too comfy and not exclusive enough... They need to expand the GT lines, 4 seaters, convertible, with or without wings...

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May 13, 2016 7:45:24 PM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: The farmer

Re: 991 GT3 RS

The farmer:
Based on the talk in the pit, during dinner and every where else, the demand for GT cars is picking up fast. And regarding the 991.2 RS its going to be EXTREMELY difficult to get one, if you put together all the new RS "wanttohaves" with the gigantic list of people that didn't get .1 RS to a .2 RS list

My Porsche contacts tells can me (but I don't really dare to trust them on this, since this is going to be BIG fight among all the people on the .2 RS list...)that I have a good chance to get one. Hope for the best !

If it doesn't work out with the GT3 RS I can always comoft me with the facit that I'm VERY well positioned for the GT2 RS....

Somedays I which I could combine my looks whit Whoopsys dealer status......

Don't get fooled by marketing bla bla. You realize that the "very limited" GT3RS was produced like 4000 times and you still believe that bla bla??? Porsche cars are never rare (except for the very last year of the bubble, maybe).

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May 13, 2016 7:45:31 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: SciFrog

Re: 991 GT3 RS

SciFrog:
Exactly. The regular 991 now with turbo is too comfy and not exclusive enough... They need to expand the GT lines, 4 seaters, convertible, with or without wings...

You mean the solution to the too comfy regular models is to make the GT models more comfy Smiley

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May 13, 2016 7:45:42 PM

The farmer: Senior; Loc: Stockholm , Sweden; Posts: 687, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 25, 2016; Reply to: SciFrog

Re: 991 GT3 RS

Mantorp Park. And most of the new RS "lovers" I've met is very much in to track their cars, so no flippers. But Porsche representatives told me that the low interest in combination with a dull stock market has attracted a née type of guys to Porsche. Pure investors I.e no flipper, but people wanting to by good assets that holds or increases in value.....

Bad news.... mail

And maybe the new Turbo S is à bit boring, but put some cup2's on that car and wow... It goes!!! Especially in rain, using all for wheel.... But it's to heavy, so they don't last that many laps smiley

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May 13, 2016 7:50:16 PM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: bluelines

Re: 991 GT3 RS

bluelines:
SciFrog:
Exactly. The regular 991 now with turbo is too comfy and not exclusive enough... They need to expand the GT lines, 4 seaters, convertible, with or without wings...

You mean the solution to the too comfy regular models is to make the GT models more comfy

Why would you want them more comfy? Adding two seats and chop the roof has nothing to do with confort Smiley

You think because your GT4 is manual it is more "manly"? Well think again, my wife loves her manual mini...

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May 13, 2016 7:58:03 PM

The farmer: Senior; Loc: Stockholm , Sweden; Posts: 687, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 25, 2016; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: 991 GT3 RS

MKSGR:
The farmer:
Based on the talk in the pit, during dinner and every where else, the demand for GT cars is picking up fast. And regarding the 991.2 RS its going to be EXTREMELY difficult to get one, if you put together all the new RS "wanttohaves" with the gigantic list of people that didn't get .1 RS to a .2 RS list

My Porsche contacts tells can me (but I don't really dare to trust them on this, since this is going to be BIG fight among all the people on the .2 RS list...)that I have a good chance to get one. Hope for the best !

If it doesn't work out with the GT3 RS I can always comoft me with the facit that I'm VERY well positioned for the GT2 RS....

Somedays I which I could combine my looks whit Whoopsys dealer status......

Don't get fooled by marketing bla bla. You realize that the "very limited" GT3RS was produced like 4000 times and you still believe that bla bla??? Porsche cars are never rare (except for the very last year of the bubble, maybe).

No no, I don't. But I believe in the supply-demand mechanism, and that is making the .2 RS EXTREMELY hard to get your hands on. At least up north where I live.... laugh

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May 13, 2016 8:00:25 PM

DaveGordon: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Zürich , Switzerland; Posts: 2774, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 20, 2007; Reply to: SciFrog

Re: 991 GT3 RS

Sounds like Porsche should build a Macan GTRS, Panamera R Diesel, Cayenne GT6 RSR, soak up some demand and leave the 911 GTs to people actually interested in them indecision

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May 13, 2016 8:08:23 PM

The farmer: Senior; Loc: Stockholm , Sweden; Posts: 687, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 25, 2016; Reply to: DaveGordon

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I agree kiss Porsche should demand at least x track days/year in the contract when buying a GT car.... smiley

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May 13, 2016 8:11:23 PM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: The farmer

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Why? GT are not track cars. They are road cars. Clubsport and Cups are tracks cars. GT are track capable cars that were made and setup for the road and that get easier to use on the road very every generation...

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May 13, 2016 8:18:21 PM

The farmer: Senior; Loc: Stockholm , Sweden; Posts: 687, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 25, 2016; Reply to: SciFrog

Re: 991 GT3 RS

Well, if you don't fancy trailing a cup car and bringing your mechanics, I do think that the second best for a track freak I.e the GT car, that you can DRIVE to the TRACK ,should be given to guys using it on track first. At least as long as the supply is resticted.....

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May 13, 2016 8:26:29 PM

DaveGordon: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Zürich , Switzerland; Posts: 2774, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 20, 2007; Reply to: The farmer

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+1.. The 911 RS' and GTs are the original (and perfect) cars for those who like to own something fun, drive it to the track, go pretty quick, and drive home again. Not everyone can afford a dedicated track car, and the speculators are driving the enthusiasts out with their bigger wallets yes

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May 14, 2016 3:02:26 AM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: nberry

Re: 991 GT3 RS

nberry:
Grant:
Nick - it's possible that the only NA RS coming is a going-away limited edition RS 4.2 that will go to the 918 owners. Just a guess... Maybe you can make friends (or a deal with an existing friend) with a 918 owner who doesn't want it...

Grant, it wouldn't matter to me if the .2 RS is not NA. I drove the turbo 991.2 and he was very responsive.

Nick - you previously said you had no interest in a GT2RS, which is what a turbo RS would be (in name or de facto)

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May 14, 2016 6:21:20 AM

m4ever: Veteran; Loc: Czech Republic , Italy; Posts: 1051, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 30, 2005; Reply to: W8MM

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W8MM:
m4ever:
Fantastic color!!! Is it the 2.7 RS Chartreuse green?

No. It's Porsche #253 from the '70s. Birch green in USA, licht grün in Germany.

It was ordered in memory of my departed IROC RS (9114600040) which was in the same color.

Thank you, beautiful color. Love the IROC RS what a privilege to have owned one.

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May 14, 2016 7:29:27 AM

Mikla: Veteran; Loc: Spain , Spain; Posts: 1009, Gallery; Registered on: May 9, 2004; Reply to: DaveGordon

Re: 991 GT3 RS

DaveGordon:
Nice which track(s)?

It does seem demand for GTs is on the increase - I wonder why this is? That series models are getting more boring with poor feel? Or people looking for a fun asset which holds good value? Or just flippers looking to make a buck in the speculation market?

It also makes me wonder about P's marketing strategy - how come the 'niche' model is in such demand, which either can't or won't be satisfied? I'm starting to think that if Porsche said upfront that they'll build enough to meet demand, then a lot of people would lose interest.

Yesterday I drove the new 991.2 Carrera and it is obvious that is a very different value proposition for the senses: vacuum noise from the exhaust and torque everywhere. This is why some people target the GT as the only source of "old" sensorial emotions.

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May 14, 2016 7:45:55 AM

Kobalt: Expert; Loc: Europe , Sweden; Posts: 1819, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 18, 2015; Reply to: The farmer

Re: 991 GT3 RS

The farmer:
Just great fun and I even have I selfie of me and Markus Eriksson, taken by HIM....!

Did Markus drive his own Porsche there or was he a instructor/guest?

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May 14, 2016 8:40:59 AM

lukestern: Expert; Loc: Somewhere , United Kingdom; Posts: 1377, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 15, 2005; Reply to: Kobalt

Re: 991 GT3 RS

Unboxing Lego GT3 RS. Looks like you get a lot for the 300€. 500 pages instructions and a front page in orange Smiley

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t61cVaSi5kY

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May 14, 2016 10:10:46 AM

fritz: Rennteam VIP; Loc: BaWü , Germany; Posts: 10248, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 23, 2003; Reply to: SciFrog

Re: 991 GT3 RS

SciFrog:
bluelines:
SciFrog:
Exactly. The regular 991 now with turbo is too comfy and not exclusive enough... They need to expand the GT lines, 4 seaters, convertible, with or without wings...

You mean the solution to the too comfy regular models is to make the GT models more comfy

Why would you want them more comfy? Adding two seats and chop the roof has nothing to do with confort

You think because your GT4 is manual it is more "manly"? Well think again, my wife loves her manual mini...

Actually, it does, but indirectly.
The much stiffer GTx spring/damper combinations have never been installed into cabrio 911s for a very good reason. The punishment which the suspension subjects the body to is too great for the less rigid convertible bodies, and would cause them to fail early. For the same reason, Porsche has been unable to offer lowered versions of 911 cabrios in the past, even when the lowered suspensions were available on coupes.

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May 14, 2016 12:49:30 PM

The farmer: Senior; Loc: Stockholm , Sweden; Posts: 687, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 25, 2016; Reply to: Kobalt

Re: 991 GT3 RS

Kobalt:
The farmer:
Just great fun and I even have I selfie of me and Markus Eriksson, taken by HIM....!

Did Markus drive his own Porsche there or was he a instructor/guest?

Markus was there and joined us for dinner and gave us some interesting inside news on the F1 world. During the drivning, my grupp had the luck to have Oskar Palm ( 1st 2014 and 2nd 2015 in Carrera Cup sweden) helping us. He tried to convince me to by a Cup cat, but as said earlier in this thread, II like It simple, No fan of trailing the car and even less interested (and capable) to take car of such car. One day maybe, but until then I will be just fine with what I and Whoopsy did in Leipzig this May. A couple of days in a cup car with great instructors and NO worries about the care of the car ( however BIG worries about the excess fee indecision )

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May 14, 2016 12:51:07 PM

The farmer: Senior; Loc: Stockholm , Sweden; Posts: 687, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 25, 2016; Reply to: The farmer

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Cup car.... Don't no what a cup CAT is.... Spelling program set on Swedish. Sorry, yes

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May 14, 2016 1:31:25 PM

Kobalt: Expert; Loc: Europe , Sweden; Posts: 1819, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 18, 2015; Reply to: The farmer

Re: 991 GT3 RS

Now you know: Cup cat:

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May 14, 2016 1:38:08 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: Kobalt

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May 14, 2016 2:09:22 PM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13737, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: Grant

Re: 991 GT3 RS

Grant:
nberry:
Grant:
Nick - it's possible that the only NA RS coming is a going-away limited edition RS 4.2 that will go to the 918 owners. Just a guess... Maybe you can make friends (or a deal with an existing friend) with a 918 owner who doesn't want it...

Grant, it wouldn't matter to me if the .2 RS is not NA. I drove the turbo 991.2 and he was very responsive.

Nick - you previously said you had no interest in a GT2RS, which is what a turbo RS would be (in name or de facto)

Grant, the Gt2RS will have over 650hp. It is too much car for me. Also, it will be priced close to $300,000 which is more than what I want to pay for a car. Smiley

If Porsche builds the 991.2RS they will do so in numbers greater than the .1 version. Otherwise why bother to put resources into it. Smiley

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May 14, 2016 2:12:40 PM

The farmer: Senior; Loc: Stockholm , Sweden; Posts: 687, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 25, 2016; Reply to: Kobalt

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Kobalt:
Now you know: Cup cat:

Smiley Smiley Smiley

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May 14, 2016 3:33:50 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: nberry

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nberry:
Grant, the Gt2RS will have over 650hp. It is too much car for me.

The lowest possible spec for a turbo RS would be 525hp and lots of torque. If you can handle that, you can probably handle 650hp also (especially with the advanced PSM these days and some common sense).

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16 Cayman GT4, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

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May 14, 2016 4:22:44 PM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13737, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: Grant

Re: 991 GT3 RS

FWIW, I am an average driver. Also, refuse to pay over $250,000 for a car. The most I paid was $247,000 for my 430 Spider.

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May 14, 2016 8:51:02 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: nberry

Re: 991 GT3 RS

nberry:
FWIW, I am an average driver. Also, refuse to pay over $250,000 for a car. The most I paid was $247,000 for my 430 Spider.

I certainly understand the pricing issue - way beyond my budget...

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16 Cayman GT4, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

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May 14, 2016 9:23:56 PM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13737, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: Grant

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Grant, the way I see it the more a high performance car costs, the less for me to use. Smiley They are selling me bells and whistles few of which I can or will use. Smiley

BTW, my $250,000 cap is subject to a downward change with each passing year. indecision

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May 15, 2016 9:06:48 AM

noone1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Los Angeles , United States; Posts: 5587, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 20, 2009; Reply to: nberry

Re: 991 GT3 RS

Just buy used. Unless you think the car you're buying will appreciate, it's foolish to buy new. $30-50K in savings on every used exotic within a year, guaranteed. With how quickly prices have climbed for new cars, I'll never buy new again. Waste of money considering you can almost always find your spec on the used market.

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