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boytronic said:
Is it just me, or is there NO material evidence that Porsche has made any claim apart from this one link from a 3rd party website:
http://carsguide.news.com.au/site/motori...at_nurburgring/
I cannot find anything on Porsche's official website - so where is this "official" claim?!
Oct 1, 2008 3:35:14 PM
Oct 1, 2008 3:40:14 PM
Oct 1, 2008 4:03:38 PM
Oct 1, 2008 4:20:23 PM
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SadoTorque said:
Whoever made this statement about the GTR, better be someone of importance and if so, not blowing wind up our skirts, because if the Marketing director at Porsche thought that this might be a clever way to boost sale is going to get a [beep] can of trouble if this is not substantiated through the main car press. The car community will bury Porsche if this ends up being just a way to stroke Porsche owner's egos. I want Porsche to make better car and not excuses. When I think of Porsches, I think of no equal in racing pedigree. Not bitchy Germans who don't know how to turn lemons into lemonade.
I wish Porsche spent this much time on their own R&D so they wouldn't have to worry about this kind of crap to begin with.
Stop giving us fluff disguised in acronyms and get back to building dominant cars!
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Nidge said:
Now that Porsche has recognised Nissan they have a couple of further options. Bring the 911 price down to more realistic price per performance levels or provide the Cayman with the power it deserves.
Nidge, you give your occupation as business owner.
Would you be inclined to bring the price of the products or services your business provides down to the same levels as a competitor who desperately needs to improve his image and is prepared to offer them at loss-leader prices to achieve this aim?Even if you yourself were already working at full capacity?
For your own sake, think about it before you answer.
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Nidge said:
Now that Porsche has recognised Nissan they have a couple of further options. Bring the 911 price down to more realistic price per performance levels or provide the Cayman with the power it deserves.
Nidge, you give your occupation as business owner.
Would you be inclined to bring the price of the products or services your business provides down to the same levels as a competitor who desperately needs to improve his image and is prepared to offer them at loss-leader prices to achieve this aim?
For your own sake, think about it before you answer.
Hello Fritz, you are quite correct when you suggest that we would not disrupt our business margins should we find ourselves producing product to maximum capacity. I am not too sure however that this statement applies to Porsche. There is a strong possibility that production of the 911, Cayman and Boxster range will diminish in the near future. Porsche sales for the said line up are suggested to be down in the UK. Internationally the 911 is down around 16% (although I would concede that this is during a modal change over) Boxster Ceyman down by the same %.It would appear that Porsche sales are being propped up by the Cayenne.
Conversely if it were only one competitor that was trying to undermine margins via the introduction of a limited supply loss leader product, then again you correctly denote that one would be considered foolish if you adjusted product pricing to compensate. But I believe that there is much choice now in the Porsche arena with products offering similar performance and quality. People are only happy to pay a premium (as long as their discretionary income allows) if they are getting a recognisable difference in value. Now that Porsche is suffering from much lower second hand values the lower ownership costs rational has also been blown away. Therefore right now if my business suffered from a similar plight then yes I would engineer greater performance into the product, take a little margin hit and differentiate myself further from my competitors. Porsche has a great brand built on a reputation for unequalled performance. Whilst in times of economic wealth value for money is less of a consideration, I think that in today's turbulent times offering loyal customers a little extra for their money would be prudent.
Oct 1, 2008 6:47:55 PM
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fritz said:Quote:
Nidge said:
Now that Porsche has recognised Nissan they have a couple of further options. Bring the 911 price down to more realistic price per performance levels or provide the Cayman with the power it deserves.
Nidge, you give your occupation as business owner.
Would you be inclined to bring the price of the products or services your business provides down to the same levels as a competitor who desperately needs to improve his image and is prepared to offer them at loss-leader prices to achieve this aim?
For your own sake, think about it before you answer.
Hello Fritz, you are quite correct when you suggest that we would not disrupt our business margins should we find ourselves producing product to maximum capacity. I am not too sure however that this statement applies to Porsche. There is a strong possibility that production of the 911, Cayman and Boxster range will diminish in the near future. Porsche sales for the said line up are suggested to be down in the UK. Internationally the 911 is down around 16% (although I would concede that this is during a modal change over) Boxster Ceyman down by the same %.It would appear that Porsche sales are being propped up by the Cayenne.
Conversely if it were only one competitor that was trying to undermine margins via the introduction of a limited supply loss leader product, then again you correctly denote that one would be considered foolish if you adjusted product pricing to compensate. But I believe that there is much choice now in the Porsche arena with products offering similar performance and quality. People are only happy to pay a premium (as long as their discretionary income allows) if they are getting a recognisable difference in value. Now that Porsche is suffering from much lower second hand values the lower ownership costs rational has also been blown away. Therefore right now if my business suffered from a similar plight then yes I would engineer greater performance into the product, take a little margin hit and differentiate myself further from my competitors. Porsche has a great brand built on a reputation for unequalled performance. Whilst in times of economic wealth value for money is less of a consideration, I think that in today's turbulent times offering loyal customers a little extra for their money would be prudent.
Oct 1, 2008 8:56:22 PM
Oct 1, 2008 9:15:16 PM
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Marwan Arakji said:
as much as I love Porsche, it's pretty pathetic and very "cry-baby-like" of them... just go ahead and increase that turbo boost up to where it should be!
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Marwan Arakji said:
as much as I love Porsche, it's pretty pathetic and very "cry-baby-like" of them... just go ahead and increase that turbo boost up to where it should be!
The boost isn't the problem. The 997TT is faster in a straight line than the GT-R. It's in the corners that it has problems. Nissan really did well with its AWD drivetrain (much better than Porsche).
However, a question presents itself: Is it really as fast as they claim it to be? 7:29 seems way off, but somewhere under 7:40 does seem believable.
Oct 1, 2008 9:26:55 PM
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Marwan Arakji said:
as much as I love Porsche, it's pretty pathetic and very "cry-baby-like" of them... just go ahead and increase that turbo boost up to where it should be!
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thierry said:
Guys,
I don't want to add some bad comments about GT-R, and to be honest I'm a 100% Porsche fan.
I own a 997 GT3 and it is hard to say, but for 40 000 euro less, you can have a better competitive car : GT-R.
It is not as fast as a GT2, for sure , but GUYS , this car is costing 2,5 times less !!
I don't like aesthetic and I think the re-sale value could be an issue, but everybody cqn recognize that Nissan made a nice 75 000 euro piece!
I will be ashamed to be smoked by a nissan in the future , but that's life .....
to all porsche fan and nissan ones.
Oct 2, 2008 8:49:27 AM
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Carlos from Spain said:
BTW, didn't Nissan pull a similar stunt with the original Nissan Skyline back in the day? they publicised a NBR lap time, and turns out they had used slicks on the car:x Its true when they say, history repeats it selfand humans seem to be the only animal that trips on the same stone twice
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boytronic said:
Do Nissan have any history of racing or producing high performance sports cars - like Porsche do - apart from this "Skyline" model?
I'm just wondering how "experienced" they are compared to Porsche.
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BiTurbo said:
http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=57410&vf=12
Ever heard of a thief saying I did steal ?
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reginos said:
IMO the secret weapon of the GT-R is this Tochio Suzuki guy, who apparently is a superman among drivers.
Nissan should arrange to alternately lend him to GT-R buyers, so as for them to realise their dream.
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boytronic said:
Surely the only way to settle this is for Nissan to buy a 997 Turbo/GT3 and get Mr. Suzuki to race it round a track?
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