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Aug 5, 2008 2:43:24 AM

TheJazzMan: Newbie; Loc: Boston,MA; Posts: 40, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 22, 2008

Ordered PDK, but not Sport Chrono+

I've pushed my budget to the limit by moving up to a Carrera S and earlier today someone mentioned that I should get the Sport Chrono in order to protect resale. If I add another $1300 to this order, my wife is going to lose it.

I've searched, but can't find out much about what the Chrono does for PDK besides the launch control. Since I don't plan to be street racing, I don't need this feature. What else does it give me for $1300?

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Aug 5, 2008 3:31:04 AM

ADias: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Southwest USA , United States; Posts: 2495, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 9, 2004; Reply to: TheJazzMan

Re: Ordered PDK, but not Sport Chrono+

I've not seen the order guides but I heard there's Sport Chrono and Sport Chrono Plus. If so, I would order Sport Chrono to at least have access to more aggressive engine mappings - I care less for launch control.

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Aug 5, 2008 4:44:01 AM

cibergypsy: Pilot; Loc: FL, USA , United States; Posts: 366, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 21, 2006; Reply to: ADias

Re: Ordered PDK, but not Sport Chrono+

I would be more concerned about having the more aggressive throttle mapping than launch control. I find launch control to be of limited use but do use the Sport Chrono on my 2006 Carrera S almost always. It's definitely a plus for resale as I feel many buyers would be put off if you don't have it as opposed to buying a car with it.

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Aug 5, 2008 4:56:53 AM

intouch1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Red Sea , Egypt; Posts: 5753, Gallery; Registered on: May 22, 2004; Reply to: cibergypsy

Re: Ordered PDK, but not Sport Chrono+

forget about the whole car if you do not order sport chrono plus.....

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Aug 5, 2008 4:58:23 AM

Joost: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Dordrecht , Netherlands; Posts: 8059, Gallery; Registered on: May 3, 2004; Reply to: intouch1

Re: Ordered PDK, but not Sport Chrono+

Isn't the sport chrono plus for turbos and the regular sport chrono for normal 911's?
-Joost-

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Aug 5, 2008 5:02:31 AM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: cibergypsy

Re: Ordered PDK, but not Sport Chrono+

There are 2 stages with SC. Sport and Sport Plus.

The more aggressive mapping and PDK operation + launch control are on Sport Plus and some people find it too much.

However, in Sport mode the PDK works in a more sporty way, it holds gears longer and does not go a gear up quickly in the interest of fuel economy and 7th gear is not engaged. Also you get amore aggressive throttle but not as aggressive as in the Plus mode.

Since you are getting PDK it is a must to exlore all possibilities with SC.

I am sure that if you explain all the technology to your wife she will appreciate your choice

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Aug 5, 2008 6:26:16 AM

ADias: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Southwest USA , United States; Posts: 2495, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 9, 2004; Reply to: reginos

Re: Ordered PDK, but not Sport Chrono+

I found the Order Guides for SC:

Carrera Coupe $960, $1320 for PDK cars (US Price)
Carrera S Coupe $960, $1320 for PDK cars (US Price)

Sport Chrono Package Plus
Analog and digital chronometer, sport button in the center console and
display in the PCM, also adds ability to adjust lighting, wipers, AC and door
locking to suit personal preference. In conjunction with PDK, includes Sports
Plus button in center console to activate launch control function (Race
start). Note: In conjunction with PDK, price is $1320.

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So... only PDK equipped cars have the Sport Plus button.

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Aug 5, 2008 7:19:11 AM

spluff: Co-Pilot; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 200, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 12, 2006; Reply to: ADias

Re: Ordered PDK, but not Sport Chrono+

would definitely get sports chrono for PDK if I was you

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Aug 5, 2008 8:15:57 AM

Mikla: Veteran; Loc: Spain , Spain; Posts: 1009, Gallery; Registered on: May 9, 2004; Reply to: spluff

Re: Ordered PDK, but not Sport Chrono+

I strongly recommend the Sport Chrono option after having driven the PDK Carrera. In auto mode, the sport function give a whole new experience of driving. It never goes into 7th gear, holds the gears up to the red line, definitely a must.

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Aug 5, 2008 10:30:36 AM

ResB: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Yorkshire, where roads are twisty... , United Kingdom; Posts: 2858, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 19, 2006; Reply to: Mikla

Re: Ordered PDK, but not Sport Chrono+

By the sounds of it you need to risk divorce.

Personally, SC is the way to go. Can't you get rid of anything else you may have spec'd, like a sunroof or something else just as useless to assist in the cost?

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Aug 5, 2008 12:32:11 PM

TheJazzMan: Newbie; Loc: Boston,MA; Posts: 40, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 22, 2008; Reply to: ResB

Ordered PDK AND NOW Sport Chrono+

Based on your strong responses, I'll add the Sport Chrono. Maybe the wife won't notice. But that's not likely - she's a CPA.

Here's my complete spec:

Porsche Carrera S Coupe
9Q Meteor Grey Paint
AT Black Full Leather
250 7-speed Porsche Doppelkupplung
640 Sport Chrono Plus
407 Sport Design Wheels
672 Navigation Module for PCM
P15 Power Comfort Seats with Driver Memory
686 XM Radio
680 Bose
870 Universal Audio Interface
267 Self Dimming Mirrors
810 Floor Mats Interior Color

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Aug 5, 2008 1:06:51 PM

gian61: Co-Pilot; Loc: Pavia , Italy; Posts: 189, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 23, 2005; Reply to: TheJazzMan

Re: Ordered PDK AND NOW Sport Chrono+

IMHO:
deleted Bose
added heated/ventilated seats

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Aug 5, 2008 2:00:04 PM

GreggT: Junior; Loc:; Posts: 101, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 9, 2002; Reply to: gian61

Re: Ordered PDK AND NOW Sport Chrono+

I think it's interesting this Board endorses so heartily the SC.
Is it because, in this case, the user was also PDK?
I see on other Boards that SC has little appeal and many who have it now, rate it high on the list of things for which they would not spend again.
Personally.....if it truly has value, I'd prefer a switch under the dash or somewhere else....but that's just my opin.
It presently is not on my spec list for the 09, unless I'm convinced otherwise. This car will be a 4s cab w/stick that will never be tracked.

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Aug 5, 2008 2:16:00 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: GreggT

Re: Ordered PDK AND NOW Sport Chrono+

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GreggT said:
I think it's interesting this Board endorses so heartily the SC.
Is it because, in this case, the user was also PDK?
I see on other Boards that SC has little appeal and many who have it now, rate it high on the list of things for which they would not spend again.
Personally.....if it truly has value, I'd prefer a switch under the dash or somewhere else....but that's just my opin.
It presently is not on my spec list for the 09, unless I'm convinced otherwise. This car will be a 4s cab w/stick that will never be tracked.

With PDK it makes a lot of sense because it also changes the way the transmission works, as described above. Also it has a further stage, the sport plus.

In manual it changes the throttle response which some people cannot really detect and it raises the PSM threshold and there is only one stage.

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Aug 5, 2008 2:20:14 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: TheJazzMan

Re: Ordered PDK AND NOW Sport Chrono+

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TheJazzMan said:
Based on your strong responses, I'll add the Sport Chrono. Maybe the wife won't notice. But that's not likely - she's a CPA.

Here's my complete spec:

Porsche Carrera S Coupe
9Q Meteor Grey Paint
AT Black Full Leather
250 7-speed Porsche Doppelkupplung
640 Sport Chrono Plus
407 Sport Design Wheels
672 Navigation Module for PCM
P15 Power Comfort Seats with Driver Memory
686 XM Radio
680 Bose
870 Universal Audio Interface
267 Self Dimming Mirrors
810 Floor Mats Interior Color

Well done!

If you are not into music but only a normal listener save the cost of BOSE and option a LSD. Big advantage on a powerful car with the balance of Porsche.
IMO the standard audio system is adequate for casual listeners like myself.

I presume you don't make or receive telephone calls in the car because I don't see a telephone module.

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Aug 5, 2008 2:25:47 PM

TheJazzMan: Newbie; Loc: Boston,MA; Posts: 40, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 22, 2008; Reply to: reginos

Re: Ordered PDK AND NOW Sport Chrono+

The wife only insisted on two (expensive) options - Full Leather and the Bose. Personally, I could do without both.

BTW: I do plan to add PSE when it becomes available.

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Aug 5, 2008 2:30:48 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: TheJazzMan

Re: Ordered PDK AND NOW Sport Chrono+

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TheJazzMan said:
The wife only insisted on two (expensive) options - Full Leather and the Bose. Personally, I could do without both.

BTW: I do plan to add PSE when it becomes available.

OK, if someone is keen on music and has a sensitivity for sound, the BOSE is surely better.

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Aug 5, 2008 2:53:29 PM

donkeyman: Junior; Loc: Hong Kong; Posts: 113, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 16, 2005; Reply to: reginos

Re: Ordered PDK AND NOW Sport Chrono+

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reginos said:
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TheJazzMan said:
The wife only insisted on two (expensive) options - Full Leather and the Bose. Personally, I could do without both.

BTW: I do plan to add PSE when it becomes available.

OK, if someone is keen on music and has a sensitivity for sound, the BOSE is surely better.

Well, he is the Jazzman!

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Aug 5, 2008 3:16:49 PM

ResB: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Yorkshire, where roads are twisty... , United Kingdom; Posts: 2858, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 19, 2006; Reply to: donkeyman

Re: Ordered PDK AND NOW Sport Chrono+

Comfort seats? If that's fluffy leather then I'd bin those also. Personally I'd go for Sports Seats, whether they are adaptable thats up to you.

Fluffy leather looks terrible after a while and does not suit the car if you ask me.

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Aug 5, 2008 3:43:20 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: ResB

Re: Ordered PDK AND NOW Sport Chrono+

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ResB said:
Comfort seats? If that's fluffy leather then I'd bin those also. Personally I'd go for Sports Seats, whether they are adaptable thats up to you.

Fluffy leather looks terrible after a while and does not suit the car if you ask me.

No, comfort seats(P15) is the designation for standard power seats with memory. What you have in mind is "soft ruffled leather" seats.

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Aug 5, 2008 5:39:52 PM

Minok: Co-Pilot; Loc: Pacific Northwest; Posts: 263, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 29, 2008; Reply to: ADias

Re: Ordered PDK, but not Sport Chrono+

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ADias said:
I found the Order Guides for SC:

Carrera Coupe $960, $1320 for PDK cars (US Price)
Carrera S Coupe $960, $1320 for PDK cars (US Price)

Sport Chrono Package Plus
Analog and digital chronometer, sport button in the center console and
display in the PCM, also adds ability to adjust lighting, wipers, AC and door
locking to suit personal preference. In conjunction with PDK, includes Sports
Plus button in center console to activate launch control function (Race
start). Note: In conjunction with PDK, price is $1320.

----

So... only PDK equipped cars have the Sport Plus button.

Just for completeness (if someone later searches this thread for data):

For 6spd manual shift cars Sport Chrono Plus is also available:

Sport Chrono Package Plus $960.00

You get all the same stuff except no special "Sport Plus" button, whose sole purpose is to engage the PDK launch control, so it doesn't make sense on a 6spd manual shift.

The Sport Chrono Plus is probably worth it for the ability to customize the various settings of the car (I don't understand why those customizations are not available as standard, but thats another debate).

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Aug 5, 2008 6:03:39 PM

ADias: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Southwest USA , United States; Posts: 2495, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 9, 2004; Reply to: Minok

Re: Ordered PDK, but not Sport Chrono+

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Minok said:...
The Sport Chrono Plus is probably worth it for the ability to customize the various settings of the car (I don't understand why those customizations are not available as standard, but thats another debate).

Sure you do... that's another way for PAG to milk its customers. The same way that bluetooth, Aux connection, XM radio and so on should be standard, but they are not.

To the OP: drop the Bose, which only adds weight, and tell your wife that this is a sports car and that the base stereo is perfectly good enough.

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Aug 5, 2008 8:33:17 PM

GR: Senior; Loc: S Bucks, England , United Kingdom; Posts: 779, Gallery; Registered on: May 17, 2005; Reply to: ADias

Re: Ordered PDK, but not Sport Chrono+

The sport button also deactivates the emergency brake boosting function. Its almost worth the price of SC for that alone if you like late braking

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Aug 6, 2008 9:13:41 PM

ResB: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Yorkshire, where roads are twisty... , United Kingdom; Posts: 2858, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 19, 2006; Reply to: reginos

Re: Ordered PDK AND NOW Sport Chrono+

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reginos said:
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ResB said:
Comfort seats? If that's fluffy leather then I'd bin those also. Personally I'd go for Sports Seats, whether they are adaptable thats up to you.

Fluffy leather looks terrible after a while and does not suit the car if you ask me.

No, comfort seats(P15) is the designation for standard power seats with memory. What you have in mind is "soft ruffled leather" seats.

That's what I was thinking.

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Aug 6, 2008 10:15:56 PM

Ronnie: Co-Pilot; Loc: good old England (sometimes Hong Kong); Posts: 206, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 13, 2005; Reply to: TheJazzMan

Re: Ordered PDK AND NOW Sport Chrono+

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TheJazzMan said:
Based on your strong responses, I'll add the Sport Chrono. Maybe the wife won't notice. But that's not likely - she's a CPA.

Here's my complete spec:

Porsche Carrera S Coupe
9Q Meteor Grey Paint
AT Black Full Leather
250 7-speed Porsche Doppelkupplung
640 Sport Chrono Plus
407 Sport Design Wheels
672 Navigation Module for PCM
P15 Power Comfort Seats with Driver Memory
686 XM Radio
680 Bose
870 Universal Audio Interface
267 Self Dimming Mirrors
810 Floor Mats Interior Color

A good spec you have there. I spec'ed the BOSE on my C2S but I'm not sure I would again.

I would definitely go for SC+ over BOSE.

Also, your dealer should give you the mats for free. I deliberately didn't order mine as I thought it was something the dealership could throw in.

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Aug 6, 2008 10:19:45 PM

Minok: Co-Pilot; Loc: Pacific Northwest; Posts: 263, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 29, 2008; Reply to: Ronnie

Re: Ordered PDK AND NOW Sport Chrono+

I'm not ordering the mats because I don't want carpet mats. I'll be installing the rubber mats that can actually hold some water. Either the dealer will toss them in for free, or I'll spend the coin myself.

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Aug 6, 2008 10:58:01 PM

ADias: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Southwest USA , United States; Posts: 2495, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 9, 2004; Reply to: Minok

Re: Ordered PDK AND NOW Sport Chrono+

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Minok said:
I'm not ordering the mats because I don't want carpet mats. I'll be installing the rubber mats that can actually hold some water. Either the dealer will toss them in for free, or I'll spend the coin myself.

Does Porsche have decent rubber mats or do you go with Weathertech?

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Aug 8, 2008 5:53:44 PM

Revvv: Pilot; Loc: Ft. Lauderdale, FL , United States; Posts: 377, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 25, 2002; Reply to: reginos

Re: Ordered PDK AND NOW Sport Chrono+

Won't be able to resell it without Sport Chrono.........
You may not care about Launch Control today, but you will
sometime, and the person who buys it , after you, will certainly crave it ! Don't forget about " Race Shift Stategy", only with Sport Chrono plus........

Don't leave out the dynamic Cornering lights, either !

Enjoy !

Revvv

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Aug 8, 2008 8:00:28 PM

Minok: Co-Pilot; Loc: Pacific Northwest; Posts: 263, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 29, 2008; Reply to: ADias

Re: Ordered PDK AND NOW Sport Chrono+

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ADias said:
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Minok said:
I'm not ordering the mats because I don't want carpet mats. I'll be installing the rubber mats that can actually hold some water. Either the dealer will toss them in for free, or I'll spend the coin myself.

Does Porsche have decent rubber mats or do you go with Weathertech?

At the dealer in Bellevue, Washington, they showed me rubber mats from the parts department for the 997. They are not as deep in water holding capacity as my VW rubber mats, but they do have enough groove depth to hold some water.. important to me no rainy days (feet don't slip on the wet carpet either, if its rubber) I'd still clear my boots of snow outside the door before bringing the feet in during winter driving.

Check with your parts department. When I get mine (not till December) I'll post the info on them, if someone reminds me.

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