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    9 juin 2008 10:23:13

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    QR Comparison : Scud vs 997 GT2 vs LP560 vs GT-R

    A nice comparison in the upcoming issue of italian Quattroruote, to be released by the end of the month. The test driver is Alain Prost.

    There are already some unofficial results and GT-R haters will be very happy.

    Vairano track :

    Scud - 1:15,1s
    GT2 ~ 1:15,2s (allegedly "very close")
    LP560 - 1:15,6s
    GT-R ~ 1:19s

    Prost was allegedly not satisfied with the GT-R handling and couldnt believe this car can lap the Ring in 7:29.

    0-1000m took the GT-R about 22 seconds.

    Take it with a grain of salt as these results are not official. We gotta wait.

    9 juin 2008 11:22:29

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    Re: QR Comparison : Scud vs 997 GT2 vs LP560 vs GT

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    A nice comparison in the upcoming issue of italian Quattroruote, to be released by the end of the month. The test driver is Alain Prost.

    There are already some unofficial results and GT-R haters will be very happy.

    Vairano track :

    Scud - 1:15,1s
    GT2 ~ 1:15,2s (allegedly "very close")
    LP560 - 1:15,6s
    GT-R ~ 1:19s

    Prost was allegedly not satisfied with the GT-R handling and couldnt believe this car can lap the Ring in 7:29.

    0-1000m took the GT-R about 22 seconds.

    Take it with a grain of salt as these results are not official. We gotta wait.




    ooh they give finally a stock gt-t for a test :P

    9 juin 2008 11:37:06

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    Re: QR Comparison : Scud vs 997 GT2 vs LP560 vs GT

    Seems so.

    9 juin 2008 11:43:44

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    Re: QR Comparison : Scud vs 997 GT2 vs LP560 vs GT

    So, if these results are true(I heard same rumor as you from some italian guys) then R8 is little bit faster on Vairano then GT-R...

    BTW, EU wieght seems to be 1750kg...

    9 juin 2008 12:06:55

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    Re: QR Comparison : Scud vs 997 GT2 vs LP560 vs GT

    R8 already was neck and neck with the GT-R in latest edmunds test.

    If these results are true, we are looking at the worst GT-R test results so far. In the very first EU test. (dunno what version they were testing though)

    9 juin 2008 12:18:05

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    Re: QR Comparison : Scud vs 997 GT2 vs LP560 vs GT

    Good. I was getting tired of that GT-R euphoria.

    LP560 in 1:15,6s ? Not bad at all. Makes me think that the Superleggera version is going to be one hell of a car...

    9 juin 2008 12:18:43

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    Re: QR Comparison : Scud vs 997 GT2 vs LP560 vs GT

    Maybe they tested a grey import that hasn't got the nring crushing euro 'tweaks'

    9 juin 2008 12:28:32

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    Re: QR Comparison : Scud vs 997 GT2 vs LP560 vs GT

    I am already hearing Nick saying that because A. Prost used to drive rear-enginded / rear-wheel-drive cars (Formula 1) he can not master front-engined / all-wheel-drive ones.

    9 juin 2008 13:40:19

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    Re: QR Comparison : Scud vs 997 GT2 vs LP560 vs GT

    Quote:
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    I am already hearing Nick saying that because A. Prost used to drive rear-enginded / rear-wheel-drive cars (Formula 1) he can not master front-engined / all-wheel-drive ones.



    He'll come up with something, that's for sure.

    9 juin 2008 13:56:38

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    Re: QR Comparison : Scud vs 997 GT2 vs LP560 vs GT

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    Quote:
    Ziggy said:
    I am already hearing Nick saying that because A. Prost used to drive rear-enginded / rear-wheel-drive cars (Formula 1) he can not master front-engined / all-wheel-drive ones.



    He'll come up with something, that's for sure.



    The rumour is that Prost was promised to be given the Scud, the LP560 and 997 GT2 from each factory if he makes the GT-R lose. They all know that otherwise the GT-R would crush them all with a time under 1:15.

    9 juin 2008 14:21:09

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    Re: QR Comparison : Scud vs 997 GT2 vs LP560 vs GT

    The Nissan GTR is the Hilary Clinton of cars these days. The car that we love to hate for all the same reasons that we love to hate her. Ugly, but somehow on top till a point.

    9 juin 2008 14:33:25

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    Re: QR Comparison : Scud vs 997 GT2 vs LP560 vs GT

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    The Nissan GTR is the Hilary Clinton of cars these days. The car that we love to hate for all the same reasons that we love to hate her. Ugly, but somehow on top till a point.




    That is really a disservice to the GTR...

    9 juin 2008 15:11:23

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    Re: QR Comparison : Scud vs 997 GT2 vs LP560 vs GT

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    I am already hearing Nick saying that because A. Prost used to drive rear-enginded / rear-wheel-drive cars (Formula 1) he can not master front-engined / all-wheel-drive ones.





    I am not an advocate for the GT-R. All I ask for is some objectivity. Porschephiles went ballistic when the GT-R seriously spanked all their 911'sand began to allege every conspiracy theory known to mankind.

    This test result seems to be an aberration based on most if not all prior tests. Recall the 997TT test result in this same test. It was almost dead last in most performance areas. I believe most on this board attributed the poor performance to a sick car.

    Regardless of what EUROPEAN drivers find, there is no denying the fact that the GT-R is the performance value of this and past centuries.

    9 juin 2008 15:21:50

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    Re: QR Comparison : Scud vs 997 GT2 vs LP560 vs GT

    So, Alain Prost hates GT-R and he is in your opinion wrong?

    OK, if you think so...

    BTW, there are other sportscars, not only Porsches... I agree here with you. Just it seems to me that you have some kind of agenda against all EUROPEAN sportscars manufactures these days...

    9 juin 2008 15:33:02

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    Re: QR Comparison : Scud vs 997 GT2 vs LP560 vs GT

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    So, Alain Prost hates GT-R and he is in your opinion wrong?

    OK, if you think so...

    BTW, there are other sportscars, not only Porsches... I agree here with you. Just it seems to me that you have some kind of agenda against all EUROPEAN sportscars manufactures these days...



    No I wrote that the test result was an aberration not wrong. Correct me if I am wrong but didn't the 997TT do very poorly against the 430 and Gallardo in a similar test?

    Regarding my comments about European drivers, with the exception of some British test, I find rather strange that whenever the GT-R is test by them the car fails miserably.

    BTW, how is it that the Scud can beat the GT2 in this test and yet have a substantially slower time at the Ring compared to the GT2?

    9 juin 2008 15:43:27

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    Re: QR Comparison : Scud vs 997 GT2 vs LP560 vs GT

    Vairano is very different track from the Ring. Ring likes high power and turque, Vairano likes very precise handling and good traction... Scud NA engine offers way more linear power delivery then GT2s(or GT-Rs) turbo engine...
    Should I continue?

    9 juin 2008 15:47:20

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    Re: QR Comparison : Scud vs 997 GT2 vs LP560 vs GT

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    Vairano is very different track from the Ring. Ring likes high power and turque, Vairano likes very precise handling and good traction... Scud NA engine offers way more linear power delivery then GT2s(or GT-Rs) turbo engine...
    Should I continue?



    Kreso, I assumed the track had something to do with it. Regarding the GT-R, a four sec. margin on a little over a minute track is huge. Hell probably that Boxster would do as well (1.19).

    9 juin 2008 15:47:30

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    Re: QR Comparison : Scud vs 997 GT2 vs LP560 vs GT

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    Quote:
    KresoF1 said:
    So, Alain Prost hates GT-R and he is in your opinion wrong?

    OK, if you think so...

    BTW, there are other sportscars, not only Porsches... I agree here with you. Just it seems to me that you have some kind of agenda against all EUROPEAN sportscars manufactures these days...



    No I wrote that the test result was an aberration not wrong. Correct me if I am wrong but didn't the 997TT do very poorly against the 430 and Gallardo in a similar test?

    Regarding my comments about European drivers, with the exception of some British test, I find rather strange that whenever the GT-R is test by them the car fails miserably.

    BTW, how is it that the Scud can beat the GT2 in this test and yet have a substantially slower time at the Ring compared to the GT2?




    it's an italian magazine and prost was employed by ferrari...

    jokes aside, shorter tracks are favourable to lighter cars. the scud is lighter than the gt2. on the longer n'ring, the turbo could play out it's trump card: torque.

    besides....i think they did equal times. if prost blinked one time more in the gt2 than the scud it would already explain for the difference of 0.01 second

    9 juin 2008 15:53:06

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    Re: QR Comparison : Scud vs 997 GT2 vs LP560 vs GT

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    Quote:
    KresoF1 said:
    Vairano is very different track from the Ring. Ring likes high power and turque, Vairano likes very precise handling and good traction... Scud NA engine offers way more linear power delivery then GT2s(or GT-Rs) turbo engine...
    Should I continue?



    Kreso, I assumed the track had something to do with it. Regarding the GT-R, a four sec. margin on a little over a minute track is huge. Hell probably that Boxster would do as well (1.19).



    Nick,
    On recent comparison test by Edmunds GT-R was only marginally faster on the track then Audi R8.

    Also, on EVO Bedford track R8 was just 0.4s slower then GT-R...

    How is all that possible? Are Edmunds, EVO and Quattroruote all liers?

    Of course not... BUT, you belive to Nissan and T.Suzuki's lap...

    My opinion:GT-R is very fast and capable only in T.Suzuki hands and in HIS Ring specs...

    9 juin 2008 16:16:53

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    Re: QR Comparison : Scud vs 997 GT2 vs LP560 vs GT

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    Quote:
    KresoF1 said:
    So, Alain Prost hates GT-R and he is in your opinion wrong?

    OK, if you think so...

    BTW, there are other sportscars, not only Porsches... I agree here with you. Just it seems to me that you have some kind of agenda against all EUROPEAN sportscars manufactures these days...



    No I wrote that the test result was an aberration not wrong. Correct me if I am wrong but didn't the 997TT do very poorly against the 430 and Gallardo in a similar test?

    Regarding my comments about European drivers, with the exception of some British test, I find rather strange that whenever the GT-R is test by them the car fails miserably.

    BTW, how is it that the Scud can beat the GT2 in this test and yet have a substantially slower time at the Ring compared to the GT2?



    Partly agreee.

    The GT-R here might not be in the very best condition again. It happens from time to time, even to other marques including Porsche.

    We need to see more European test. We can not judge by one test.

    When the QR tested the 997 TT they did this results :

    0-100 - 4,2s
    0-160 - 9,6s
    0-200 - 15,3s



    And the ZO6

    0-100 - 4,5s
    0-160 - 9,1 s
    0-200 - 14,4s

    Way off all the other results.

    As to performance of the GT-R, the very first test in Japan, done by an institute seems to have credible results. They firstly seemed slow in comparison with those from CaD, but now its becoming clear thats where the performance of the car is.

    0-100km/h - 3.83s
    0-400m - 11.82s at 193.3km/h
    0-1000m - 21.51s at 245.5km/h

    0-160km/h - cca 8.2s
    0-200km/h - cca 12.5s

    test car odo - 4500km

    I think this is what the GT-R can do in the straight line. (Almost) as fast as 997 Turbo up to 200km/h and then the turbo starts to pull away. Not really a shattering performance, but very nice for a 75k euro car.

    9 juin 2008 16:18:25

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    Re: QR Comparison : Scud vs 997 GT2 vs LP560 vs GT

    i'm waiting for the complete test of italian Quattroruote!!!
    please
    link?
    photos?

    9 juin 2008 16:27:03

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    Re: QR Comparison : Scud vs 997 GT2 vs LP560 vs GT

    Quote:
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    i'm waiting for the complete test of italian Quattroruote!!!
    please
    link?
    photos?





    make that 2

    9 juin 2008 16:40:10

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    Re: QR Comparison : Scud vs 997 GT2 vs LP560 vs GT

    Full test will be in July or August issue of QR...

    9 juin 2008 16:45:46

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    Re: QR Comparison : Scud vs 997 GT2 vs LP560 vs GT

    Yes, 2-3 weeks to go.

    9 juin 2008 17:39:25

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    Re: QR Comparison : Scud vs 997 GT2 vs LP560 vs GT

    For the conspiracy theorists, Prost is french, Nissan is owned by Renault, a french company...

    The GTR is faster, faster than the 997TT, which is great. But the 7.29 NBR lap is not believable.

    9 juin 2008 17:52:22

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    Re: QR Comparison : Scud vs 997 GT2 vs LP560 vs GT

    Quote:
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    I am already hearing Nick saying that because A. Prost used to drive rear-enginded / rear-wheel-drive cars (Formula 1) he can not master front-engined / all-wheel-drive ones.



    and he's knocking on a bit now.

    9 juin 2008 21:08:48

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    Re: QR Comparison : Scud vs 997 GT2 vs LP560 vs GT

    Quote:
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    I am already hearing Nick saying that because A. Prost used to drive rear-enginded / rear-wheel-drive cars (Formula 1) he can not master front-engined / all-wheel-drive ones.



    The problem with Prost is that he cannot handle the paddle shift system in the GTR (Just kidding, please forgive me Nick ).

    9 juin 2008 21:11:23

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    Re: QR Comparison : Scud vs 997 GT2 vs LP560 vs GT

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    Quote:
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    I am already hearing Nick saying that because A. Prost used to drive rear-enginded / rear-wheel-drive cars (Formula 1) he can not master front-engined / all-wheel-drive ones.





    I am not an advocate for the GT-R. All I ask for is some objectivity. Porschephiles went ballistic when the GT-R seriously spanked all their 911'sand began to allege every conspiracy theory known to mankind.




    If these test results should be confirmed we were absolutely right in bashing Nissan's marketing lies The test would be the best prove that only independant magazine tests are worth discussing. OEM claims are BS most of the time.

    9 juin 2008 21:26:30

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    Re: QR Comparison : Scud vs 997 GT2 vs LP560 vs GT

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    Quote:
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    Quote:
    Ziggy said:
    I am already hearing Nick saying that because A. Prost used to drive rear-enginded / rear-wheel-drive cars (Formula 1) he can not master front-engined / all-wheel-drive ones.



    He'll come up with something, that's for sure.



    The rumour is that Prost was promised to be given the Scud, the LP560 and 997 GT2 from each factory if he makes the GT-R lose. They all know that otherwise the GT-R would crush them all with a time under 1:15.



    I heard that Nissan promised to give Prost a GTR if it were to win. He took one look at the car's styling and ....................you already know the rest.

    9 juin 2008 21:50:46

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    Re: QR Comparison : Scud vs 997 GT2 vs LP560 vs GT

    Quote:
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    Quote:
    Ziggy said:
    I am already hearing Nick saying that because A. Prost used to drive rear-enginded / rear-wheel-drive cars (Formula 1) he can not master front-engined / all-wheel-drive ones.



    The problem with Prost is that he cannot handle the paddle shift system in the GTR (Just kidding, please forgive me Nick ).



    Well if you must know, he has problems with turbos which are AWD.
     
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