May 22, 2008 5:14:44 PM
- JoeRockhead
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May 22, 2008 5:14:44 PM
May 22, 2008 5:34:19 PM
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May 22, 2008 6:58:54 PM
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nberry said:
The better question is what he/she will say to you. My guess is,
"Since I can't tell by looking at your car, unless your Porsche is a late model Turbo, don't even think about it."
May 22, 2008 9:54:09 PM
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69bossnine said:
Who was Porsche bashing? I missed that...
And MMD, please don't take this the wrong way, but beyond your perception of how GM and/or Ford builds cars, what actual hands-on knowledge or authority do you possess to arrive at such an opinion?
May 22, 2008 10:57:00 PM
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mdrums said:
Do the same thing you do now when a Corvette Z06 pulls up next to you....DO NOT RACE him unless you like to be embarrassed.
You've got to be kidding, right? The turbo will be halfway to 60 before the Z06 finds any traction.
FWIW:
GT-R 0-60 - 3.3, 1/4 mile 11.6
997TT Tip 0-60 3.4, 1/4 mile 11.6
Viper 0-60 - 3.8, 1/4 mile 11.8
Z06 0-60 - 4.1, 1/4 mile 12.0
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Dri...topanel..1.*#38
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AUM said:
Inside Line (and most other mags) report 0 - 60 mph for the GTR in 3.3 seconds. Some tests are as fast as 3.1 seconds. If you are in a manual Turbo you will lose the stoplight race to 60 by a good margin. The Turbo Tip will lose by a smaller margin.
You could say stoplight races are for kids and real men only race from 250-300 km/h (where the Turbo should win). The 0-250 km/h times are very close.
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Dubliner said:
Does it matter *what* the car next to you is ? Do you think it's smart to 'race' him ? Or necessary ? Why indulge him ? Just enjoy your car !!!
May 23, 2008 2:23:33 PM
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MMD said:
Here's a few.
Stuupid POS Ford Explorer was delivered to me WITHOUT A FKKN CLEARCOAT!
Friends __EXTREME LUXURY__ Cadillac had a glove compartment like this: a hole in the dash, slanting away at knee level, WITH A FLAP covering it.
Same Cadillac had "Chrome trim" which you rubbed your bare finger on and it scratched! Scratched; BAD!
Fkkn GM POS automatically locked my wife out of her car, almost in the middle of nowhere, with the KEYS IN THE IGNITION!
POS Mazda Tribute had AC intake right under hood so engine fumes became part of the interior air.
Stupid rubber bumpers around doors of ford product POP OFF and bounce into the urban distance if you rub them or touch them.
Woman at Tennis Club in her cadillac (which she hated!) had an orthopaedic cushion on the seat because the seat hurt her __HEALTHY_ back. Meaning: seat in the "luxury Cadillac" was the same cheap POS found in a cheaper model GM.
Too numerous to mention, many have been forgotten.
The working principle is this:
GM/Ford etc KNOW their customers admire status cars like BMW and MB. GM/Fd also know their typical customers can't tell the difference between a BMW and a GM or Ford quality wise.
Therefore GM and Ford can and plan to build crappy cars because their __LOYAL__ customers will not perceive the crappiness they put into them. Loyal customers will pay nearly the same amount as a comparable BMW costs and think they got a great deal! What they paid for is TOTAL bling of cheap but sparkly materials, crummy but soft leather, stuff like a glove compartment which is _stone age_ compared to BMW but they don't care about glove compartment inaccessibility design because they're not bright enough to expect more.
It's that simple!!
There's 500 more observations but I ain't got time now... .
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racerx said:
I can see a friendly little and harmless "race" for fun with any car for a couple hundred yards if no one is around. What I can't understand is all this yapping about times. There must be 500 posts recently about the gtr, mostly on the sports car board.
Ring times and tenths of seconds here and there. SO WHAT, who cares. Anyone who buys a car because of lap times or 0-60 times is a nitwit.
May 23, 2008 3:14:39 PM
May 23, 2008 4:11:10 PM
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69bossnine said:
I'm just saying it appears that you're predisposed... Unwilling to talk current-state-of-affairs without prior and extreme prejudice.
May 23, 2008 9:21:48 PM
May 23, 2008 10:49:43 PM
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69bossnine said:
I agree.... Getting to the point where you can't have any fun in life anymore... and safety is judged on a "if there's a one in five-million chance you'll have an incident, that's unsafe" measuring stick.
One of my grandfathers last funny stories he told me before he died was how he and his pals would make these enormous bombs when they were kids, and detonate them in the woods behind their homes... They'd shake windows...
Things have changed a tad in 80 years, you think??
May 24, 2008 1:40:03 AM
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69bossnine said:
But that's my point MMD, you don't "know", you've zero automotive background, you're not closely tied to the industry, you're whole thing regarding these seats cross-applying hasn't applied to the Cadillac division for OVER A DECADE
I've got parts texts for ALL cars here in my library that I use for sourcing and research. GM DOES NOT take seats from Impalas and "shove" them into Cadillacs with different upholstery... Maybe they did back in 1995 or something, but what the hell does that mean? Today, it's totally different frames, components, foam, EVERYTHING... It's plain as day.
That's my frustration, you're ranting and ranting, and maybe you're right in certain "general" ways about quality, but your specific facts are all wrong and total speculation... With bad facts, your argument just looks hollow and ignorant.
Even with equal quality, it takes YEARS for the public's PERCEPTION (like yours, John Q. I don't change my own oil Public) to turn around with it...
The enormous stumble made by GM and Ford in the 70's through the 90's will take quite some time to recover from in the public's eye...
May 24, 2008 2:07:51 AM
May 24, 2008 2:22:17 AM
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May 24, 2008 2:46:39 PM
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69bossnine said:
Cadillac doesn't make anything called a CRX.... See what I'm saying? And if you're talking about the SRX, my dad's girlfriend is on her 3rd year with one, loves it to death, it looks just like the day he bought it for her, and she drives cross-country (Florida to Michigan) every summer with rave reviews... It's never been back to the dealer for anything other than scheduled service, period.
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MMD said:
Conversation on this issue is OVER.
Uh, what internet are you using?
May 24, 2008 3:04:44 PM
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MMD said:
What will you guys say and/or do?
May 24, 2008 3:10:49 PM
May 24, 2008 4:48:21 PM
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69bossnine said:
Ughhh.... My points keep getting missed like playing whiffle-ball at night..
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69bossnine said:Oh well... Let's just not be blind hypocrites, shall we?? Drop by any used car lot and see just how well your perceived paragons of quality HOLD UP after several years of use...
May 27, 2008 3:27:36 PM