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Apr 30, 2016 5:52:50 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: RC

Re: AMG GT

RC:
JEANTET:
Hybridisation will improve a lot.

We are at the beginning.

True but hybridization will also make cars heavier...

And that is the rightful sacrifice to keep a V12 over a tiny 2L 4-banger in a Ferrari.

Sometimes the weight question is quite overblown. I drove the Cup car and the GT3RS back to back, I certainly didn't noticed the weight difference. Well perhaps during braking where the Cup car stops a lot faster. But then again the heavier still 918 stops quicker than the lighter GT3RS when I drove them back to back on Paul Ricard.

When a car has enough power, even the acceleration between a light and heavy car is wiped clean. This morning I went for a morning drive with local PCA. I was in the 918, a very much lighter GT4 was behind me, it disappeared into a tiny dot very very quicker on the straights.

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Apr 30, 2016 7:00:56 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12588, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: AMG GT

Try driving a Porsche track car that weighs less than 900kg and get back to me...

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Apr 30, 2016 7:01:09 PM

noone1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Los Angeles , United States; Posts: 5587, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 20, 2009; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: AMG GT

Weight isn't a big deal on road cars and normal roads. You don't care about tire or brake wear on a roadcar, or how fuel efficient it is, and you'll rarely be taking corners in the real world at speeds where you think, "Man, I wish this car was lighter."

I wouldn't be surprised if the best race car you can make is not the lightest one.

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Apr 30, 2016 7:12:01 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12588, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: noone1

Re: AMG GT

Again, try driving a 911 that weighs less than 900kg and see if you don't notice.

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Apr 30, 2016 7:19:46 PM

noone1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Los Angeles , United States; Posts: 5587, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 20, 2009; Reply to: Grant

Re: AMG GT

Grant:
Again, try driving a 911 that weighs less than 900kg and see if you don't notice.

Can you even get a modern 911 down to 900kg while maintaining all the best technology and engineering?

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Apr 30, 2016 7:23:51 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12588, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: noone1

Re: AMG GT

noone1:
Grant:
Again, try driving a 911 that weighs less than 900kg and see if you don't notice.

Can you even get a modern 911 down to 900kg while maintaining all the best technology and engineering?

Try one that isn't modern then

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Apr 30, 2016 7:33:54 PM

noone1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Los Angeles , United States; Posts: 5587, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 20, 2009; Reply to: Grant

Re: AMG GT

Grant:
noone1:
Grant:
Again, try driving a 911 that weighs less than 900kg and see if you don't notice.

Can you even get a modern 911 down to 900kg while maintaining all the best technology and engineering?

Try one that isn't modern then

Well if it's not modern, there is a good chance the technology will compensate for more than the additional weight.

It happens all the time in road cars. A heavier and lower powered 991 GT3 is probably quicker than an Enzo.

If you have a 900 kg 911 for me to borrow, I'd be glad to test it and give you my feedback vs a modern exotic. :)

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Apr 30, 2016 7:52:32 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12588, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: noone1

Re: AMG GT

You are welcome to drive mine - planning a new motor first...

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May 1, 2016 10:32:13 AM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12682, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: AMG GT

Whoopsy:
When a car has enough power, even the acceleration between a light and heavy car is wiped clean. This morning I went for a morning drive with local PCA. I was in the 918, a very much lighter GT4 was behind me, it disappeared into a tiny dot very very quicker on the straights.

I hope bluelines doesn't read that. Smiley Smiley Smiley

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May 1, 2016 10:59:04 AM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14183, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: Rossi

Re: AMG GT

Rossi:
Whoopsy:
When a car has enough power, even the acceleration between a light and heavy car is wiped clean. This morning I went for a morning drive with local PCA. I was in the 918, a very much lighter GT4 was behind me, it disappeared into a tiny dot very very quicker on the straights.

I hope bluelines doesn't read that.

poor guy, his heart will be broken Smiley

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May 1, 2016 12:42:46 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: Gnil

Re: AMG GT

To be fair, that GT4 was a red one smiley

Don't mind the 488, think it got lost and ended up in a PCA meet among 50+ Porsches

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May 1, 2016 1:38:23 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: AMG GT

Whoopsy:
To be fair, that GT4 was a red one

Smiley

Yes, that explains it. Plus, I bet he was holding back.

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May 1, 2016 3:37:04 PM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12682, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: AMG GT

Whoopsy:
Don't mind the 488, think it got lost and ended up in a PCA meet among 50+ Porsches.

Porsche pack and the yellow leader. Smiley

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May 1, 2016 8:40:56 PM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13737, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: bluelines

Re: AMG GT

bluelines:
Whoopsy:
To be fair, that GT4 was a red one

Yes, that explains it. Plus, I bet he was holding back.

Well, if its any consolation, all the Porsche models would become dots following the 918 in the straights.

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May 2, 2016 3:25:54 AM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: nberry

Re: AMG GT

And the corners too smiley

The only Porsche that can corner harder is their race cars on slicks.

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May 2, 2016 5:06:22 AM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: AMG GT

Whoopsy:
And the corners too

The only Porsche that can corner harder is their race cars on slicks.

Like the GT4 CS, for example Smiley

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May 2, 2016 8:34:08 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59602, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Grant

Re: AMG GT

Grant:
noone1:
Grant:
Again, try driving a 911 that weighs less than 900kg and see if you don't notice.

Can you even get a modern 911 down to 900kg while maintaining all the best technology and engineering?

Try one that isn't modern then

Try to have an accident in one of these... Smiley Smiley

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May 2, 2016 1:30:49 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: bluelines

Re: AMG GT

bluelines:
Whoopsy:
And the corners too

The only Porsche that can corner harder is their race cars on slicks.

Like the GT4 CS, for example

Veyr correct sir! Smiley

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May 2, 2016 3:12:42 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12588, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: RC

Re: AMG GT

RC:
Grant:
noone1:
Grant:
Again, try driving a 911 that weighs less than 900kg and see if you don't notice.

Can you even get a modern 911 down to 900kg while maintaining all the best technology and engineering?

Try one that isn't modern then

Try to have an accident in one of these...

I prefer to try to avoid accidents Smiley In all seriousness, I do have a 3/4 cage and 6-point harnesses, and a fuel cell. These things help, but there is no getting around the fact that the newer cars are safer.

I probably wouldn't consider driving in Germany with a car this old (Autobahn speeds are not suitable) and Nurburgring is not the right track for this car either. But with low speeds on US roads and highways and my local track which is relatively slow (with almost no walls and wide run-off areas), I think the risks are managed to the acceptable level.

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May 2, 2016 3:29:05 PM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: Grant

Re: AMG GT

How about a singer?

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May 2, 2016 3:41:58 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12588, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: SciFrog

Re: AMG GT

SciFrog:
How about a singer?

This is a 964 with the airbags removed. Not particularly safe, nor particularly light.

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May 2, 2016 6:11:19 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: AMG GT

Whoopsy:
bluelines:
Whoopsy:
And the corners too

The only Porsche that can corner harder is their race cars on slicks.

Like the GT4 CS, for example

Very correct sir!

Glad we are on the same page Smiley Smiley

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May 3, 2016 10:48:12 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59602, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Grant

Re: AMG GT

Grant:
SciFrog:
How about a singer?

This is a 964 with the airbags removed. Not particularly safe, nor particularly light.

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16 Cayman GT4, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

Always dreamt of a modded 964 RS for casual track fun but now I got too old for this sh.t... Smiley Smiley Also, they cost now serious money...

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May 3, 2016 11:04:59 AM

Lars997: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: South , Germany; Posts: 9448, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 8, 2002; Reply to: RC

Re: AMG GT

RC:
Grant:
SciFrog:
How about a singer?

This is a 964 with the airbags removed. Not particularly safe, nor particularly light.

Always dreamt of a modded 964 RS for casual track fun but now I got too old for this sh.t... Also, they cost now serious money...

For the same money you can get a modern track Porsche. And hey - that modern car will be much faster!

Never got that hype for young-timers. Everything which is build after 1965 is not a real vintage car and you can right away grab a new one instead IMO.

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May 3, 2016 11:14:22 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59602, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Lars997

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Had two friends with modded 964 RS over 15 years ago (one crashed his car, never heard of him again and the other one sold it, so we lost contact) and I loved them. These cars were sooooo fast and so much fun to drive, one was modded to over 500 hp (turbo charged...) and the chassis setup was amazing as well.

Memories...

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May 3, 2016 2:45:49 PM

tso: Senior; Loc: Denmark , United Arab Emirates; Posts: 748, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2004; Reply to: RC

Re: AMG GT

RC:

Always dreamt of a modded 964 RS for casual track fun but now I got too old for this sh.t... Also, they cost now serious money...

Feeling exactly the same way. One of my first track experiences was in a 964 Cup. Now with some more serious racing experience I would love to try such a car once more. As I remember it, the car was very light and agile, as well as I remember plenty of torque. The fact is that I would never pay the money people are asking these days.

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May 3, 2016 3:21:49 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: RC

Re: AMG GT

RC:
Grant:
SciFrog:
How about a singer?

This is a 964 with the airbags removed. Not particularly safe, nor particularly light.

16 Cayman GT4, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

Always dreamt of a modded 964 RS for casual track fun but now I got too old for this sh.t... Also, they cost now serious money...

But, but... they are manual only Smiley Smiley

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May 3, 2016 3:25:32 PM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: bluelines

Re: AMG GT

bluelines:
RC:
Grant:
SciFrog:
How about a singer?

This is a 964 with the airbags removed. Not particularly safe, nor particularly light.

16 Cayman GT4, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

Always dreamt of a modded 964 RS for casual track fun but now I got too old for this sh.t... Also, they cost now serious money...

But, but... they are manual only

No tiptronic? angry

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May 3, 2016 3:36:37 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: SciFrog

Re: AMG GT

Maybe they could build a special version for RC kiss

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May 4, 2016 8:59:22 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59602, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: bluelines

Re: AMG GT

bluelines:
Maybe they could build a special version for RC

Well... Smiley

Yes, manual only but at that time, I was younger...more flexible Smiley and less annoyed by inefficiency. Smiley

Got offered a 964 RS with around 35k km for around 60k EUR (not so sure about the exact numbers but in this range) at some point and considered it to be too expensive. Smiley

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