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    Apr 18, 2008 3:15:02 PM

    GreggT
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    Re: New pics of 911 Facelift...

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    luwalira said:
    so that means that the Panamera will be launched at the Bejing show in April next year!!


    Panamera Geneva (or Bejing) spring 2009.....for sales later that year.
    Wasn't that the original time line?
    And how did we jump from spring 2008 to spring 2009.

    Apr 18, 2008 4:17:38 PM

    Ron (Houston)M
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    Re: New pics of 911 Facelift...

    I wouldn't be surprised if not only Porsche but other manufacturers introduce their concepts and new comers in China from now on.

    At this point of time China and India are the most vital markets for any car maker in particular Porsche, Ferrari and all others.

    U.S. doesn't seem to be as vital as it used to be. However, if they're smart enough the auto makers should do some hedging ($ is the lowest ever) like Porsche did long time.

    Apr 18, 2008 7:32:45 PM

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    Re: New pics of 911 Facelift...

    Had a call from my dealer yesterday to tell me that they had just come from an update meeting with PAG. It seems that the message they were given is that the facelift will be on the ordering system from July 5th, with brochures available from end of June.

    Apr 21, 2008 9:32:02 AM

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    Re: New pics of 911 Facelift...

    The FL was supposed to be shown or at least announced in Beijing! No word of it yet! Only a Cayenne turbo S was announced. What is happening? Are there so many unsold 997s at dealerships?

    Apr 21, 2008 10:31:20 AM

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    Re: New pics of 911 Facelift...

    aaargh! No news from Beijing!!!
    I was wrong ahi ahi ahi....
    what is happening at Porsche? What are they waiting for???

    Apr 21, 2008 10:47:16 AM

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    Re: New pics of 911 Facelift...

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    aaargh! No news from Beijing!!!
    I was wrong ahi ahi ahi....
    what is happening at Porsche? What are they waiting for???


    To sell the last pre-FL 997 with as little discount as possible.

    Apr 21, 2008 1:23:52 PM

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    Hold it back!

    Frankly holding it back is not a bad move. The more they can sell of the "old" car at full price and clear inventory the better the resale values will be. Reducing the number of cars they're building will also help. So if they don't launch until the Fall that's maybe no bad thing.

    Apr 21, 2008 1:40:29 PM

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    Re: Hold it back!

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    Frankly holding it back is not a bad move. The more they can sell of the "old" car at full price and clear inventory the better the resale values will be. Reducing the number of cars they're building will also help. So if they don't launch until the Fall that's maybe no bad thing.


    From what I gather, the first 2wd customer cars will be available after the factory summer holidays, that is as from 09/2008. The FL will be officially announced probably end of May with orders as from end of June beginning of July. However, if a sales brochure leaks on the internet the announcement could be brought forward.

    Apr 21, 2008 8:57:21 PM

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    Re: Hold it back!

    Check out the size of those mirrors...wow.

    Apr 21, 2008 8:59:12 PM

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    Re: Hold it back!

    another

    Apr 21, 2008 8:59:44 PM

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    Re: Hold it back!

    last one

    Apr 21, 2008 9:11:36 PM

    vincesf
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    Re: Hold it back!

    I'm not digg'n it, but I understand the new mirrors are required to comply with safety regulations. I believe the facelift styling is rather minor. More significantly power and economy gains should offset any styling miscues. Makes you think though that Porsche should have done more than an additional 30 horsepower in light of the new Nissan GT-R. However, the GT-R will hardly become a factor as their rather limited production will hardly put a dent into Porsche sales.
    vincesf

    Apr 21, 2008 9:32:03 PM

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    Re: Hold it back!

    The mirrors look like the kid in your class who had huge ears that stood out from his head. Remember him? You couldn't help but feel compelled to flick them suddenly from behind! My school was like a jungle

    Apr 21, 2008 10:14:20 PM

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    Re: Hold it back!

    Any link to these "EU regulations"????

    Apr 22, 2008 1:05:10 AM

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    Re: Hold it back!

    Those side mirrors are seriously ugly and do no match the body of the car. If they come in international models outside of EU then I will seriously consider retrofitting the current ones....

    Apr 22, 2008 4:25:58 AM

    reginos
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    Mirrors

    Actually, this EU regulation is in the spirit of the Prof. Porsche maxim that "form follows function". So we should all appreciate that and stop complaining.

    Apr 22, 2008 4:30:00 AM

    Italo
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    Re: Hold it back!

    I'm sure we will all get use to these mirrors very soon

    Apr 22, 2008 5:20:46 AM

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    Re: Hold it back!

    in the last pic the 4S stripe covered? I know it will back for sure

    Apr 22, 2008 7:11:44 AM

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    Re: Hold it back!

    ooops....yes looks like a stripe might be coming....last pic of the cab looks like a car ready for delivery...

    Apr 22, 2008 8:09:35 AM

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    Re: Hold it back!

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    in the last pic the 4S stripe covered? I know it will back for sure



    you are right

    Apr 22, 2008 8:17:04 AM

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    Re: Hold it back!

    Those mirrors don't bug me.

    Apr 22, 2008 9:06:21 AM

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    Re: Hold it back!

    Sure looks like it! (See picture)

    Apr 22, 2008 9:09:25 AM

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    Re: Hold it back!

    PS, porsche, if you are listening:
    If the new C4S has a stripe, we want a picture like this, but then with all C4S-es!
    -Joost-

    Apr 22, 2008 9:27:15 AM

    Ron (Houston)M
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    Re: Hold it back!

    Cool shots, thanks

    Apr 22, 2008 9:31:26 AM

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    Re: Hold it back!

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    Sure looks like it! (See picture)



    Good eye... crazy to look that close! Just wait until it is official

    Apr 22, 2008 9:52:47 AM

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    Re: Hold it back!

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    Those side mirrors are seriously ugly and do no match the body of the car. If they come in international models outside of EU then I will seriously consider retrofitting the current ones....




    Apr 22, 2008 10:12:58 AM

    reginos
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    Side Mirrors

    You can see the new side mirrors in detail here.
    Not an issue IMO.

    Apr 22, 2008 10:15:17 AM

    reginos
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    Re: Side Mirrors

    2.

    Apr 22, 2008 10:34:56 AM

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    Re: Side Mirrors

    Thanks, but I refer to a link of the regulation

    Somthing like this:


    "NORMATIVA 2005/27

    ANEXO I

    DEFINICIONES Y DISPOSICIONES ADMINISTRATIVAS PARA LA HOMOLOGACIÓN CE

    1. DEFINICIONES

    1.1 Por "dispositivos de visión indirecta" se entiende los dispositivos para observar el área de circulación adyacente al vehículo que no se puede observar de forma directa. Se puede tratar de espejos retrovisores convencionales, cámaras con monitores u otros dispositivos que puedan dar información sobre el campo de visión indirecta del conductor.

    1.1.1 Por "retrovisor" se entiende un dispositivo, exceptuándose dispositivos tales como periscopios, cuyo fin es garantizar una visibilidad clara hacia atrás, hacia el costado hacia delante del vehículo, en los campos de visión definidos en el punto 5 del anexo III.

    1.1.1.1 Por "retrovisor interior" se designa un dispositivo definido en el punto 1.1 destinado a ser instalado en el interior del habitáculo del vehículo."

    Apr 22, 2008 10:48:22 AM

    Italo
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    Re: Hold it back!

    Quote:
    Joost said:
    Sure looks like it! (See picture)



    nice zoom
     
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