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18.04.2008 15:15:02

GreggT: Junior; Loc:; Beiträge: 101, Gallery; Registriert: 09.04.2002; Antwort auf: Emperor

Re: New pics of 911 Facelift...

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luwalira said:
so that means that the Panamera will be launched at the Bejing show in April next year!!

Panamera Geneva (or Bejing) spring 2009.....for sales later that year.
Wasn't that the original time line?
And how did we jump from spring 2008 to spring 2009.

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18.04.2008 16:17:38

Ron (Houston): Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Houston, TX , Vereinigte Staaten von Amerika; Beiträge: 8812, Gallery; Registriert: 10.04.2002; Antwort auf: GreggT

Re: New pics of 911 Facelift...

I wouldn't be surprised if not only Porsche but other manufacturers introduce their concepts and new comers in China from now on.

At this point of time China and India are the most vital markets for any car maker in particular Porsche, Ferrari and all others.

U.S. doesn't seem to be as vital as it used to be. However, if they're smart enough the auto makers should do some hedging ($ is the lowest ever) like Porsche did long time.

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18.04.2008 19:32:45

cdixon: Senior; Loc: UK , Vereinigtes Königreich; Beiträge: 680, Gallery; Registriert: 27.11.2007; Antwort auf: Ron (Houston)

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Had a call from my dealer yesterday to tell me that they had just come from an update meeting with PAG. It seems that the message they were given is that the facelift will be on the ordering system from July 5th, with brochures available from end of June.

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21.04.2008 09:32:02

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Zypern; Beiträge: 12130, Gallery; Registriert: 20.03.2005; Antwort auf: cdixon

Re: New pics of 911 Facelift...

The FL was supposed to be shown or at least announced in Beijing! No word of it yet! Only a Cayenne turbo S was announced. What is happening? Are there so many unsold 997s at dealerships?

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21.04.2008 10:31:20

kowalski: Newbie; Loc: italy - vicenza; Beiträge: 14, Gallery; Registriert: 25.01.2008; Antwort auf: reginos

Re: New pics of 911 Facelift...

aaargh! No news from Beijing!!!
I was wrong ahi ahi ahi....
what is happening at Porsche? What are they waiting for???

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21.04.2008 10:47:16

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Zypern; Beiträge: 12130, Gallery; Registriert: 20.03.2005; Antwort auf: kowalski

Re: New pics of 911 Facelift...

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kowalski said:
aaargh! No news from Beijing!!!
I was wrong ahi ahi ahi....
what is happening at Porsche? What are they waiting for???

To sell the last pre-FL 997 with as little discount as possible.

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21.04.2008 13:23:52

Le Chef: Veteran; Loc: Chicago , Vereinigte Staaten von Amerika; Beiträge: 1059, Gallery; Registriert: 03.07.2003; Antwort auf: reginos

Hold it back!

Frankly holding it back is not a bad move. The more they can sell of the "old" car at full price and clear inventory the better the resale values will be. Reducing the number of cars they're building will also help. So if they don't launch until the Fall that's maybe no bad thing.

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21.04.2008 13:40:29

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Zypern; Beiträge: 12130, Gallery; Registriert: 20.03.2005; Antwort auf: Le Chef

Re: Hold it back!

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Le Chef said:
Frankly holding it back is not a bad move. The more they can sell of the "old" car at full price and clear inventory the better the resale values will be. Reducing the number of cars they're building will also help. So if they don't launch until the Fall that's maybe no bad thing.

From what I gather, the first 2wd customer cars will be available after the factory summer holidays, that is as from 09/2008. The FL will be officially announced probably end of May with orders as from end of June beginning of July. However, if a sales brochure leaks on the internet the announcement could be brought forward.

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21.04.2008 20:57:21

WC996: Junior; Loc: Solana Beach, CA USA; Beiträge: 78, Gallery; Registriert: 31.07.2003; Antwort auf: reginos

Re: Hold it back!

Check out the size of those mirrors...wow.

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21.04.2008 20:59:12

WC996: Junior; Loc: Solana Beach, CA USA; Beiträge: 78, Gallery; Registriert: 31.07.2003; Antwort auf: WC996

Re: Hold it back!

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21.04.2008 20:59:44

WC996: Junior; Loc: Solana Beach, CA USA; Beiträge: 78, Gallery; Registriert: 31.07.2003; Antwort auf: WC996

Re: Hold it back!

last one

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21.04.2008 21:11:36

vincesf: Co-Pilot; Loc: California; Beiträge: 258, Gallery; Registriert: 02.09.2007; Antwort auf: WC996

Re: Hold it back!

I'm not digg'n it, but I understand the new mirrors are required to comply with safety regulations. I believe the facelift styling is rather minor. More significantly power and economy gains should offset any styling miscues. Makes you think though that Porsche should have done more than an additional 30 horsepower in light of the new Nissan GT-R. However, the GT-R will hardly become a factor as their rather limited production will hardly put a dent into Porsche sales.
vincesf

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21.04.2008 21:32:03

easy_rider911: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , Vereinigtes Königreich; Beiträge: 22190, Gallery; Registriert: 08.11.2004; Antwort auf: vincesf

Re: Hold it back!

The mirrors look like the kid in your class who had huge ears that stood out from his head. Remember him? You couldn't help but feel compelled to flick them suddenly from behind! My school was like a jungle

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21.04.2008 22:14:20

Enzo II: Veteran; Loc: Spain , Spanien; Beiträge: 1248, Gallery; Registriert: 01.06.2006; Antwort auf: easy_rider911

Re: Hold it back!

Any link to these "EU regulations"????

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22.04.2008 01:05:10

550 Spyder: Junior; Loc: MD, USA; Beiträge: 90, Gallery; Registriert: 25.12.2004; Antwort auf: Enzo II

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Those side mirrors are seriously ugly and do no match the body of the car. If they come in international models outside of EU then I will seriously consider retrofitting the current ones....

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22.04.2008 04:25:58

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Zypern; Beiträge: 12130, Gallery; Registriert: 20.03.2005; Antwort auf: 550 Spyder

Mirrors

Actually, this EU regulation is in the spirit of the Prof. Porsche maxim that "form follows function". So we should all appreciate that and stop complaining.

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22.04.2008 04:30:00

Italo: Veteran; Loc: UK , Vereinigtes Königreich; Beiträge: 1055, Gallery; Registriert: 29.01.2007; Antwort auf: 550 Spyder

Re: Hold it back!

I'm sure we will all get use to these mirrors very soon

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22.04.2008 05:20:46

andrea: Rennteam Master; Loc: Italy, Pordenone , Italien; Beiträge: 3569, Gallery; Registriert: 24.09.2003; Antwort auf: Italo

Re: Hold it back!

in the last pic the 4S stripe covered? I know it will back for sure

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22.04.2008 07:11:44

intouch1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Red Sea , Ägypten; Beiträge: 5754, Gallery; Registriert: 22.05.2004; Antwort auf: andrea

Re: Hold it back!

ooops....yes looks like a stripe might be coming....last pic of the cab looks like a car ready for delivery...

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22.04.2008 08:09:35

Italo: Veteran; Loc: UK , Vereinigtes Königreich; Beiträge: 1055, Gallery; Registriert: 29.01.2007; Antwort auf: andrea

Re: Hold it back!

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in the last pic the 4S stripe covered? I know it will back for sure

you are right

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22.04.2008 08:17:04

Spyderidol: Rennteam Master; Loc: Mozambique; Beiträge: 5807, Gallery; Registriert: 25.04.2007; Antwort auf: Italo

Re: Hold it back!

Those mirrors don't bug me.

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22.04.2008 09:06:21

Joost: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Dordrecht , Niederlande; Beiträge: 8059, Gallery; Registriert: 03.05.2004; Antwort auf: Italo

Re: Hold it back!

Sure looks like it! (See picture)

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22.04.2008 09:09:25

Joost: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Dordrecht , Niederlande; Beiträge: 8059, Gallery; Registriert: 03.05.2004; Antwort auf: Joost

Re: Hold it back!

PS, porsche, if you are listening:
If the new C4S has a stripe, we want a picture like this, but then with all C4S-es!
-Joost-

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22.04.2008 09:27:15

Ron (Houston): Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Houston, TX , Vereinigte Staaten von Amerika; Beiträge: 8812, Gallery; Registriert: 10.04.2002; Antwort auf: WC996

Re: Hold it back!

Cool shots, thanks

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22.04.2008 09:31:26

Moogle: Rennteam Master; Loc: Bay Area , Vereinigte Staaten von Amerika; Beiträge: 5019, Gallery; Registriert: 09.08.2003; Antwort auf: Joost

Re: Hold it back!

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Joost said:
Sure looks like it! (See picture)

Good eye... crazy to look that close! Just wait until it is official

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22.04.2008 09:52:47

Enzo II: Veteran; Loc: Spain , Spanien; Beiträge: 1248, Gallery; Registriert: 01.06.2006; Antwort auf: 550 Spyder

Re: Hold it back!

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550 Spyder said:
Those side mirrors are seriously ugly and do no match the body of the car. If they come in international models outside of EU then I will seriously consider retrofitting the current ones....

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22.04.2008 10:12:58

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Zypern; Beiträge: 12130, Gallery; Registriert: 20.03.2005; Antwort auf: Enzo II

Side Mirrors

You can see the new side mirrors in detail here.
Not an issue IMO.

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22.04.2008 10:15:17

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Zypern; Beiträge: 12130, Gallery; Registriert: 20.03.2005; Antwort auf: reginos

Re: Side Mirrors

2.

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22.04.2008 10:34:56

Enzo II: Veteran; Loc: Spain , Spanien; Beiträge: 1248, Gallery; Registriert: 01.06.2006; Antwort auf: reginos

Re: Side Mirrors

Thanks, but I refer to a link of the regulation

Somthing like this:

"NORMATIVA 2005/27

ANEXO I

DEFINICIONES Y DISPOSICIONES ADMINISTRATIVAS PARA LA HOMOLOGACIÓN CE

1. DEFINICIONES

1.1 Por "dispositivos de visión indirecta" se entiende los dispositivos para observar el área de circulación adyacente al vehículo que no se puede observar de forma directa. Se puede tratar de espejos retrovisores convencionales, cámaras con monitores u otros dispositivos que puedan dar información sobre el campo de visión indirecta del conductor.

1.1.1 Por "retrovisor" se entiende un dispositivo, exceptuándose dispositivos tales como periscopios, cuyo fin es garantizar una visibilidad clara hacia atrás, hacia el costado hacia delante del vehículo, en los campos de visión definidos en el punto 5 del anexo III.

1.1.1.1 Por "retrovisor interior" se designa un dispositivo definido en el punto 1.1 destinado a ser instalado en el interior del habitáculo del vehículo."

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22.04.2008 10:48:22

Italo: Veteran; Loc: UK , Vereinigtes Königreich; Beiträge: 1055, Gallery; Registriert: 29.01.2007; Antwort auf: Joost

Re: Hold it back!

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Joost said:
Sure looks like it! (See picture)

nice zoom

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