Apr 4, 2008 5:59:35 PM
- Paulo_Rangel_Melo
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Re: New pics of 911 Facelift...
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Fabio said:
not many exterior changes. Morover i don't think the front is an improvement at ALL.
Pics are consistant with what we've been seeing for last 10-12 month......personally I would have been surprised if they would have changed something now.
Turn signal-running lights will an improvement (once they take the current 997-look tape off).
Re: New pics of 911 Facelift...
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Le Chef said:
Why does it have to be an improvement? Why can't it just be different?
You're kidding, right? Changing but not improving is changing for the sake of changing... Then we would REALLY be scr*wed, because it then becaumes very clear it's only to keep us buying...
-Joost-
welcome to the age of marketing
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Le Chef said:
Why does it have to be an improvement? Why can't it just be different?
You're kidding, right? Changing but not improving is changing for the sake of changing... Then we would REALLY be scr*wed, because it then becaumes very clear it's only to keep us buying...
-Joost-
Sadly change for change's sake made to seem like an improvement is the art of marketing. And most people have been conditioned to believe that different must mean better. Often not the case as companies use cheaper components etc.
Re: New pics of 911 Facelift...
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Le Chef said:
Why does it have to be an improvement? Why can't it just be different?
You're kidding, right? Changing but not improving is changing for the sake of changing... Then we would REALLY be scr*wed,
-Joost-
Is there another reason you thinck?
Apr 5, 2008 7:18:37 AM
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Re: New pics of 911 Facelift...
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Porsche 911 - Car Magazine
(It's all well and good, but when's the next proper new 911?
We hear the next step-change in the 911 saga comes in 2011. Car-Magazine_911-Facelift_Link
So does the 991 come out in summer 2010 as a 2011 mosel or is this year 2011 with a 2012 model ?
Re: New pics of 911 Facelift...
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Porsche 911 - Car Magazine
(It's all well and good, but when's the next proper new 911?
We hear the next step-change in the 911 saga comes in 2011. Car-Magazine_911-Facelift_Link
So does the 991 come out in summer 2010 as a 2011 mosel or is this year 2011 with a 2012 model ?
Actually we could continue this "997-FL-thread" as the "New-911-(991)-thread". Perhaps this will lead to the breakdown of the server at last.
Re: New pics of 911 Facelift...
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Boxster Coupe GTS said:
Porsche 911 - Car Magazine
(It's all well and good, but when's the next proper new 911?
We hear the next step-change in the 911 saga comes in 2011. Car-Magazine_911-Facelift_Link
So does the 991 come out in summer 2010 as a 2011 mosel or is this year 2011 with a 2012 model ?
Actually we could continue this "997-FL-thread" as the "New-911-(991)-thread". Perhaps this will lead to the breakdown of the server at last.
Please find some good questions
We will have a 5 year thread !!
Apr 5, 2008 1:47:24 PM
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Apr 5, 2008 3:17:00 PM
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Re: New pics of 911 Facelift...
great shot, great to see something of the navigation unit. The button layout is matching the RNS 510 of Volkswagen. It also matches the rumour I heard.
Nice facelift. Just can repeat myself, those backlights are looking in real most adorable and stunning - must have for me!
Nice facelift. Just can repeat myself, those backlights are looking in real most adorable and stunning - must have for me!
Re: New pics of 911 Facelift...
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great shot, great to see something of the navigation unit. The button layout is matching the RNS 510 of Volkswagen. It also matches the rumour I heard.
I don't think so. The RNS 510 has no row of buttons between the two turning knobs as can be seen in the spy shot. In the RNS layout there is the lower part of the touchscreen between the two turning knobs. >> Link to RNS <<
Re: New pics of 911 Facelift...
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Le Chef said:
Why does it have to be an improvement? Why can't it just be different?
You're kidding, right? Changing but not improving is changing for the sake of changing... Then we would REALLY be scr*wed,
-Joost-
Is there another reason you thinck?
No, I share the same (cynical) opinion as you guys... but there is a small optimistic part in me that still wants to believe that the facelift comes to implement all small improvements
-Joost-
Re: New pics of 911 Facelift...
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KresoF1 said:
Few remarks:
-all test mules are wide body Carrera 4/Targa 4 cars. Makes me wonder NO narrow body 997 any more?
-new exterior rear view mirrors looks like LKW(in German!) POS(in English). I know-EU regulations.
-new Navi is the same as in VW Passat. Good or bad thing?
-steering wheel on Targa 4S mule is the same as before
All in all not bad. BUT, the question about few other thing remains:
-will Porsche introduce 997 Turbo facelift at the same time as normal 997 range? If not-who will order 997 Turbo until facelift is introduced?
The 5 and 6 pictures look like a normal Carrera not the wide body versions.
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New navigation and air condition unit.
New navigation system, but I am not sure the A/C itself is new, it may be only a different fascia to match with the look of the new PCM.
That's what I was trying to say.
Apr 5, 2008 10:40:23 PM
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Apr 6, 2008 12:23:37 PM
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Re: New pics of 911 Facelift...
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I like this pic, looking good.
This thread is so damn long and we are close to the final now.
Come on Porsche!
this has got to be the longest thread in the history of Rennream ad who started it Lars997
Re: New pics of 911 Facelift...
on the 991 i want a carrera GT like front bumper & lights shape. I think that the actual round look of 997 anterior lights are crappy. Much better the Cayman. Having said that i'm getting a 997 Turbo Cab in 1 week because i prefer the 911 everywhere else except for the front. I really believe the 996 MK2 has a cooler looking front.
Re: New pics of 911 Facelift...
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Fabio said:
Somebody will be pretty unsatisfied but it looks like the 997 "facelift " ( i don't see pretty much of it ) will gain only 20 HP on the Carrera and the Carrera S.
345 BHP for the base ( that will carry standard bixenon lights )
375 BHP for the S
If you think that the very expensive powerkit gives 381 hp, 375 hp is not bad IMO. If they continue to offer a powerkit, it will then go to 400hp.
Re: New pics of 911 Facelift...
it's not bad at all.I'm not saying it is bad. With PDK, DFI it will be less consuming an will have a better auto transmission. I wanted just to reply to a guy who said it was gonna gain 50 or more HP. No way
Also i heard the car will cost pretty much the same and this is good news for Porsche lovers
Also i heard the car will cost pretty much the same and this is good news for Porsche lovers
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