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Re: RMS Leaking
Just had the RMS replaced this week on my 2005 997S after 13K miles. It's under warranty so it was a no brainer. According to the dealer tech the seal has been improved and is much better. We'll see!
From what I've read I don't think any water cooled 997 is immune from RMS.
From what I've read I don't think any water cooled 997 is immune from RMS.
Re: RMS Leaking
Here's what's generally accepted as true:
The RMS leak potential will always be there unless Porsche either changes the engine design or spends alot more money individually machining each engine to mate seal with crankcase and crankshaft.
Most likely if you get a leak it will be fixed the first time (new tool and technique for repair) and you'll probably be fine for the lifetime of the engine.
If it doesn't get fixed after three attempts Porsche replaces the engine.
What also seems true: if your engine is destined to get the leak, it happens early - well before warrenty expires.
RMS is no big deal, just a PITA. They'll take care of it.
The RMS leak potential will always be there unless Porsche either changes the engine design or spends alot more money individually machining each engine to mate seal with crankcase and crankshaft.
Most likely if you get a leak it will be fixed the first time (new tool and technique for repair) and you'll probably be fine for the lifetime of the engine.
If it doesn't get fixed after three attempts Porsche replaces the engine.
What also seems true: if your engine is destined to get the leak, it happens early - well before warrenty expires.
RMS is no big deal, just a PITA. They'll take care of it.
Jan 25, 2008 5:02:54 PM
- SoCal Alan
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Re: RMS Leaking
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MMD said:
Here's what's generally accepted as true:
The RMS leak potential will always be there unless Porsche either changes the engine design or spends alot more money individually machining each engine to mate seal with crankcase and crankshaft.
Most likely if you get a leak it will be fixed the first time (new tool and technique for repair) and you'll probably be fine for the lifetime of the engine.
If it doesn't get fixed after three attempts Porsche replaces the engine.
What also seems true: if your engine is destined to get the leak, it happens early - well before warrenty expires.
RMS is no big deal, just a PITA. They'll take care of it.
For me, it was as much of a PITA as taking the car in for a service. Bring it in in the morning, get it back at the end of the day. Even got some recalls taken care of. No big deal. Haven't had any problems since (I'm at 18K miles).
Mar 17, 2008 6:45:00 PM
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Re: RMS Leaking
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2007 GT3, 2 RMS fixed so far, 1,600 and 4,800 miles. 2 track weekends between the 2 RMS.
I thought the GT1 derived engine in the GT3 was relatively immune to RMS leak. This is the first I hear of it in that engine. Having said that, I'm not naive enough to think that it couldn't happen.
Mar 17, 2008 7:08:30 PM
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Re: RMS Leaking
My MY06 (oct/nov '05 deliv) had an RMS failure dicovered on inspection after the 1st 20 k mile service which was late last year.
No issues since, although I have recently thrashed it around France, Germany, Switzerland and Austria and the oil has gone down a bit (!).
I also am surprised to hear of a possible GT3 issue - I suspect the leak may be from a different location.
SoS.
No issues since, although I have recently thrashed it around France, Germany, Switzerland and Austria and the oil has gone down a bit (!).
I also am surprised to hear of a possible GT3 issue - I suspect the leak may be from a different location.
SoS.
Mar 17, 2008 9:47:06 PM
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Re: RMS Leaking
Any car can get a RMS leak, like any other leak, and so has happenend to GT3s but not in the frecuency of the Carrera engine which is an inherent flaw in its design and is ridiculously prone to it. Since the GT3, TT and GT2 have a different design, they rarely get a RMS leak.
Re: RMS Leaking
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CS said:
please update us after your trip. what year is she?
I'm happy and not so happy at the same time...
My car is a 04/05 built.So since i have the RMS-leak now, it's just in the toleration period of porsche-belgium to have it fixed with no costs...
BUT... the OPC told me that the clutches of the 997S are very weak and mostly defective before the car reaches 60K, they propose to have it changed while the engine is out of the car now. Otherwise it would probably happen that in a year from here i have to replace it anyway and have to pay the cost of removing the engine again...
So not so happy about that!
My Renault Avantime V6 has 168.000km on it with its first clutch!
So i'm really disappointed in porsches quality... for the first time in my life
Mar 18, 2008 6:36:51 AM
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Re: RMS Leaking
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Carlos from Spain said:
I don't know about that, I'm very close to reaching 60,000km now and clutch is as good as new.
It's a selfadjusting cutch: it's gone before you notice... Mine is OK thus far also.
Permit me to add:
Only 997_S_ has the self-adjusting clutch.
One of it's main advantages is that it: "Substantially extends the service life of the clutch mechanism and ensures the required amount of pedal pressure remains constant throughout the service life." from publication PNA 489 421 05
Re: RMS Leaking
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beltar said:Quote:
CS said:
please update us after your trip. what year is she?
I'm happy and not so happy at the same time...
My car is a 04/05 built.So since i have the RMS-leak now, it's just in the toleration period of porsche-belgium to have it fixed with no costs...
BUT... the OPC told me that the clutches of the 997S are very weak and mostly defective before the car reaches 60K, they propose to have it changed while the engine is out of the car now. Otherwise it would probably happen that in a year from here i have to replace it anyway and have to pay the cost of removing the engine again...
So not so happy about that!
My Renault Avantime V6 has 168.000km on it with its first clutch!
So i'm really disappointed in porsches quality... for the first time in my life
It is worth renewing the clutch when fixing the RMS. It saves the labour charge for the clutch change. Clutch is a consumable item and it gradually perishes so it is not as if it suddenly goes from 100% to zero. A new clutch is better than one with 60,000km on it.
Re: RMS Leaking
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beltar said:
Thx OPC for the very quick and costless service!
(they had to replace the clutch... otherwise it would have been necessary in a few months)
By 'costless' do you mean they didn't charge for the clutch parts?
I had exactly the same situation last week. i.e. my car '05 (997S) went in for RMS under extended warranty.
Following morning they rang to say the clutch was showing some wear and they could replace it now so saving me labour charges at a later date. I wasn't 100% sure it wasn't a con, because in 27 years of Porsche ownership, I'd never needed a replacement clutch before. This included one model in which I clocked over 200,000 miles!
My car had done only 25,000 miles and the clutch didn't slip or show any signs of wear... Still I thought - probably better to save over Pounds700 in labour while I can.
However, it wasn't exactly costless! The clutch cost Pounds427.50 and the 'clutch release' a further Pounds114.43. - that's Pounds541.93.
Still not sure it was totally necessary but, if it was, it's better than a future bill for Pounds1400...
The only thing I will say is that the clutch feels a bit lighter than it used to...
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