15.05.2018 18:05:47
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15.05.2018 18:05:47
16.05.2018 17:49:30
reginos:The 911 is becoming too big and on the border of being huge
Porsche want a single model to do everything from sportscar to lux-GT.
I don't think this is the right strategy. They should have kept the 911 ethos of a lithe and agile sportscar and add a real GT (new-age 928) to the range to truly rival the offerings of competitive brands.
I can't agree, my 991GTS doesn't seem big to me at all!
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⇒ Carlos - Porsche 991 Carrera GTS
DaveC:The 997 only seems smaller compared to the over stretched 991, but it is nonetheless a larger than ideal size compared to the 993 whixh arguably was the best proportioned 911. The loss of air cooling was far less comproming to the overall driving experience than the loss of compactness.
Agree - and the 993 is basically the same size as 911 from the 1960's (wheelbase increased for 1969) with the exception of fender flares and bumper caps.
18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi
16.05.2018 19:24:39
Carlos from Spain:reginos:The 911 is becoming too big and on the border of being huge
Porsche want a single model to do everything from sportscar to lux-GT.
I don't think this is the right strategy. They should have kept the 911 ethos of a lithe and agile sportscar and add a real GT (new-age 928) to the range to truly rival the offerings of competitive brands.
I can't agree, my 991GTS doesn't seem big to me at all!
--⇒ Carlos - Porsche 991 Carrera GTS
Well done Carlos
2018 White 911 GT3
16.05.2018 22:26:24
watt:Paulo_Rangel_Melo:No Offense to our American Members but "Why the F" ?" would Porsche present the 992 in the LA Show in November when the Paris 2018 happens in October???!!!!
LA Mon, is the biggest profiler market in the world, so perfect for 992
I would like to apologise for my ""Why the F"?" to comment regarding the debate Paris/LA presentation of the 992 to every member here in Rennteam. Altough it was said in a NO offensive way, after the recents events here in Portugal, and the way some people say things, i tought i had to apologise!!
My Sincere Apologies.
Best Regards.
Paulo Rangel.
This is the way this post ends, not with a bang but with a wisper, WOSHHHHHHHHHHHHH
16.05.2018 22:46:24
I may be wrong, but I doubt the 992 will be presented in LA. I have been to the LA show many times, and it’s a fairly small venue and presentation area for Porsche.. A bit like the New York show. If I remember correctly, the cars that have been presented at LA have been the GTS models, not the change of generation new models.
17.05.2018 04:35:00
Carlos from Spain:reginos:The 911 is becoming too big and on the border of being huge
Porsche want a single model to do everything from sportscar to lux-GT.
I don't think this is the right strategy. They should have kept the 911 ethos of a lithe and agile sportscar and add a real GT (new-age 928) to the range to truly rival the offerings of competitive brands.
I can't agree, my 991GTS doesn't seem big to me at all!
--⇒ Carlos - Porsche 991 Carrera GTS
That’s hilarious.
Where the willingness is great, the difficulties cannot be great.
19.05.2018 20:51:54
Porsche has been testing various 992 models at the Nurburgring this past week...
Video Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQkoSZP6D4c
...how do you like them apples?
25.05.2018 07:16:51
25.05.2018 11:35:29
Whoopsy:chuckb:Interesting they are testing the 992 hybrid against the Turbo S. Says something about performance.
Turbo S had always been the benchmark, be it Porsche themselves or competitors.
Tell that RC.
We're at the point where you can be the fastest or just sound like you're the fastest.
The secret of life is to admire without desiring.
Whoopsy:He can argue all he wants but he knows that's true.
Everyone compares everything to a 911 Turbo S, especially for straight line acceleration speed. Be it Ferrari, McLaren or Lamborghini.
...or the Audi R8
RC is too busy admiring the decals on his E63 to argue about anything else right now
2017 991.2 Carrera 4 GTS | GT Silver Metallic - The GT3 Killah!
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25.05.2018 17:50:40
bluelines:Whoopsy:He can argue all he wants but he knows that's true.
Everyone compares everything to a 911 Turbo S, especially for straight line acceleration speed. Be it Ferrari, McLaren or Lamborghini.
...or the Audi R8
RC is too busy admiring the decals on his E63 to argue about anything else right now
Too friggin funny!
25.05.2018 17:54:52
25.05.2018 23:06:09
noone1:How could Porsche be a benchmark when no other cars are direct competitors with the world's only sports car?
Go ask magazines or other manufacturers why they keep bringing out the 911 on comparison tests.
Why don't they bring out the RAV4 instead.
26.05.2018 04:01:19
26.05.2018 06:34:15
the-missile:Whoopsy:Go ask magazines or other manufacturers why they keep bringing out the 911 on comparison tests.
Why don't they bring out the RAV4 instead.
Rav4 is too fast.
It seems that Toyota is looking to establish a new design benchmark with the 2019 Toyota Rav4...
"Toyota Ramping Up 2019 RAV4 Production With $1.1B Investment"
With a bold new look and a brand-new TNGA platform (which also underpins cars like the Prius), the Toyota RAV4 has been fully reworked for the 2019 model year. It made its debut just a few months ago at the New York Auto Show, but Toyota is already betting big on one of its smallest offerings; the company will sink more than $1 billion into its production over the next few years.
According to Automotive news, Toyota has invested a whopping $1.4 billion CAD ($1.1 billion) into its two Canadian plants where the new RAV4 will be built. About $200 million CAD ($257 million) of that figure comes from the government, with Canadian and Ontario officials each providing up to $110 million CAD ($85.6 million) each in an effort to produce more than 450 new jobs.
The major investment will mostly go towards the development of the new RAV4 Hybrid, which will shift production from Japan to Toyota’s Ontario facility for the first time. That same facility has been building the non-hybrid RAV4 since 2008. The cash influx will not only include development of the RAV4 Hybrid, but also upgrades in automation, specifically in paint and plastics.
The hybrid RAV4 could eventually be joined by a fully electric model, which would revive the RAV4 EV nameplate that was discontinued in 2015. The standard gas-powered model won’t go on sale until the winter, and the hybrid model will join the range shortly thereafter in 2019. It’s still unclear how much the updated SUV will cost when it does hit the market, but we should get more details before its on-sale date later in the year.
Link: https://www.motor1.com/news/241382/toyota-ramping-up-rav4-production/
...Tesla must be worried by the prospect of a new Toyota Rav4 EV setting 1/4 mile records at the drag-strip!
26.05.2018 06:46:39
"New 2019 Porsche 911: hybrid 911s to join range" (Auto Express)
(24 May 2018)
The next all-new Porsche 911, set to be unveiled in 2019, will be the first-ever production version to get hybrid power, Auto Express can confirm.
And the shock news is, there could be two new 911 plug-in hybrids on the way: one to sit in the middle of the range as an alternative to the regular Carrera model, and then another positioned at the top of the range, potentially alongside the flagship 911 Turbo.
Auto Express understands there’s a passionate debate in play among Porsche engineers and decision-makers surrounding the creation of a top-flight 911 hybrid. The iconic sports car is a precious commodity to Porsche, so comes under the biggest scrutiny of all in terms of future development.
Yet the inevitable move towards hybrid and full-electric models is already well under way at the company, hence the debate over what to do with and which powertrains to offer in the next 911, previewed in our exclusive images, and captured on test by our spies.
What’s certain is that the basic platform for the car has already been “fully developed to accept a hybrid powertrain”, according to our source.
In basic form that powertrain will be similar in principle to the four-wheel-drive, 3.0-litre turbo, 100kW electric propulsion system launched recently in the Cayenne E-Hybrid, which in V6 form produces a combined 455bhp and 700Nm. But in the flat-six 911 the powertrain will be tuned to produce more sporting responses and sounds. It will be linked to a dual-clutch PDK gearbox.
Expect a 0-62mph sprint time of less than four seconds from the basic 911 hybrid, with a maximum speed of more than 180mph, as well as official economy of 80mpg-plus and CO2 emissions of less than 80g/km.
Crucially, a hybrid powertrain will also add at least 250kg to the kerbweight of the next 911 compared with petrol-only equivalents, but Porsche insiders say the lessons learned from the 918 Spyder and Cayenne E-Hybrid projects will help them maintain the 911’s agility.
In certain dynamic respects hybrid power can be used as a plus, say the firm’s hybrid engineers, with four-wheel-drive e-power adding not just traction but also handling flexibility to the 911 recipe.
But it’s the potential for Porsche to add a second, more powerful hybrid 911, to sit alongside the Turbo and Turbo S right at the top of the range, that’s causing the most consternation behind closed doors, our sources claim.
The brand’s move towards hybrids and fully electric cars in future is now in full swing, with the Mission E saloon and entrance to Formula E also confirmed.
So a range of hybrid-powered 911s at various price and performance levels would fit the mission statement, even if some fans of the traditional 911 might not approve. To appease them, the GT3, GT3 RS and GT2 RS models will remain firmly in the development programme, and will stay resolutely petrol-powered for many years, according to our source.
By 2025 Porsche anticipates its global sales will be 25 per cent full EV, 25 per cent hybrid and 50 per cent conventional power. But sales of the latest Panamera have been 75 per cent hybrid in the UK lately, so Porsche has the flexibility to easily alter those percentages, our source claims, if and when the tide continues to turn in favour of EVs and hybrids.
Link: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/porsche/911/97678/new-2019-porsche-911-hybrid-911s-to-join-range
26.05.2018 08:07:29
26.05.2018 08:15:30
26.05.2018 08:56:07
Whoopsy:noone1:How could Porsche be a benchmark when no other cars are direct competitors with the world's only sports car?
Go ask magazines or other manufacturers why they keep bringing out the 911 on comparison tests.
Why don't they bring out the RAV4 instead.
That wouldn't be a fair comparison Nick, remember the Rav4 has an LCD rear view mirror
⇒ Carlos - Porsche 991 Carrera GTS