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Apr 9, 2018 3:19:45 PM

the-missile: Rennteam Master; Loc: The World , France; Posts: 3484, Gallery; Registered on: May 10, 2014; Reply to: MKSGR

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MKSGR:
You are right. I just expected that the water injection was only used under extreme circumstances to stabilize temperatures. However, it seems the system is more or less used all the time you driving really fast (like track fast).

No surprise for this system to be used all the time. keeping 700hp at reasonable temperature is not something easy.

let's wait for summer time here in UAE and we will see how the system operates Smiley

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Apr 9, 2018 3:36:06 PM

The farmer: Senior; Loc: Stockholm , Sweden; Posts: 687, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 25, 2016; Reply to: the-missile

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Got an e-Mail from Porsche and my car is built and ready to be shipped👍😀👍

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Apr 9, 2018 3:37:50 PM

throt: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 6078, Gallery; Registered on: May 9, 2005; Reply to: The farmer

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The farmer:
Got an e-Mail from Porsche and my car is built and ready to be shipped👍😀👍

No need to rub it in, buddy Smiley .

Congrats ( you son of a B???? ) Smiley .

Not envious at all Smiley Smiley ..

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Apr 9, 2018 5:22:26 PM

pmarkow: Rennteam Pro; Loc: cambridge , United Kingdom; Posts: 2277, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 28, 2014; Reply to: The farmer

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The farmer:
Got an e-Mail from Porsche and my car is built and ready to be shipped👍😀👍

just keep the water tank full:::)))))) congrats!!!!

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Apr 9, 2018 5:29:13 PM

JR-550: Pilot; Loc: Belgium , Belgium; Posts: 354, Gallery; Registered on: May 10, 2005; Reply to: pmarkow

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Porsche instructors introduction to the GT2RS:

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Apr 9, 2018 6:23:52 PM

TB993tt: Rennteam Pro; Loc: manchester , United Kingdom; Posts: 2280, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 22, 2002; Reply to: MKSGR

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MKSGR:
There are reports from customers using their car on the track that say the car reduces power when the water tank is empty (with some LEDs coming on, warning about the reduced power).

When professionally tuning the older 997GT2 VTGs expensive Secan/Marston intercoolers were needed at over the 630PS level due to the heat from the VTGs.

The 991GT2RS uses a new bigger hot side turbine housing which will mean relatively cooler running and lower intake temps but it seems that 700PS is not achievable with just production intercoolers.

It would be interesting to see how bolting on a set of my Marston intercoolers would affect this, I would have thought they would hold onto the 700PS without needing water spray, they managed 735PS on my older 3.9 litre VTG engine which ran the small turbine housings....

It should be a no brainer to put a set of these bearing in mind the price of the GT2RS, they run at about 9K Euro a set..

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Apr 9, 2018 7:16:17 PM

Kobalt: Expert; Loc: Europe , Sweden; Posts: 1819, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 18, 2015; Reply to: TB993tt

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GT2RS on dyno

https://www.instagram.com/p/BhW8JcRDKQX/?taken-by=ddwcarsinaz

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Apr 9, 2018 8:03:02 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: Kobalt

Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

Kobalt:
GT2RS on dyno

https://www.instagram.com/p/BhW8JcRDKQX/?taken-by=ddwcarsinaz

That is healthy! Smiley

They probably want to make sure it makes >700hp under the most adverse conditions (maybe even without the water cooling?)...

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Apr 9, 2018 11:21:17 PM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: Grant

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Where was the hose? angry

I am sorry but this water thing just feeels like poor and sloppy engineering...

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Apr 10, 2018 8:37:06 AM

Kobalt: Expert; Loc: Europe , Sweden; Posts: 1819, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 18, 2015; Reply to: The farmer

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The farmer:
Got an e-Mail from Porsche and my car is built and ready to be shipped👍😀👍

So one or two weeks before you get the car?

Exciting!

BTW: Mine is built in May and is to be delivered in middle of June.

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Apr 10, 2018 8:57:14 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59580, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: SciFrog

Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

SciFrog:
Where was the hose?

I am sorry but this water thing just feeels like poor and sloppy engineering...

Actually...ingenious engineering if you have to stay within a certain budget. Smiley Smiley

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Apr 10, 2018 10:46:46 AM

TB993tt: Rennteam Pro; Loc: manchester , United Kingdom; Posts: 2280, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 22, 2002; Reply to: RC

Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

RC:
SciFrog:
Where was the hose?

I am sorry but this water thing just feeels like poor and sloppy engineering...

Actually...ingenious engineering if you have to stay within a certain budget.

And isn't that the issue Porsche charging for the best engineering but delivering a compromised solution, they know all about intercooling big time and could easily have set up a production run with their erstwhile Motorsports supplier Secan, a company run by bean counters now Smiley

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Apr 10, 2018 1:35:51 PM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: TB993tt

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TB993tt:
RC:
SciFrog:
Where was the hose?

I am sorry but this water thing just feeels like poor and sloppy engineering...

Actually...ingenious engineering if you have to stay within a certain budget.

And isn't that the issue Porsche charging for the best engineering but delivering a compromised solution, they know all about intercooling big time and could easily have set up a production run with their erstwhile Motorsports supplier Secan, a company run by bean counters now

Exactly. Just raise the price and do it right. That’s what you expect from a luxury brand on their top model.

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Apr 10, 2018 1:47:22 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59580, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: SciFrog

Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

SciFrog:
TB993tt:
RC:
SciFrog:
Where was the hose?

I am sorry but this water thing just feeels like poor and sloppy engineering...

Actually...ingenious engineering if you have to stay within a certain budget.

And isn't that the issue Porsche charging for the best engineering but delivering a compromised solution, they know all about intercooling big time and could easily have set up a production run with their erstwhile Motorsports supplier Secan, a company run by bean counters now

Exactly. Just raise the price and do it right. That’s what you expect from a luxury brand on their top model.

Do you really think Porsche would have sold over 1000 GT2 RS for a 350k base price? I doubt it.

I also think that a "fitting" engine wasn't actually available at that time and that McLaren surprised Porsche with the 720S...again.

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Apr 10, 2018 2:52:06 PM

noone1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Los Angeles , United States; Posts: 5587, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 20, 2009; Reply to: SciFrog

Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

SciFrog:
Where was the hose?

I am sorry but this water thing just feeels like poor and sloppy engineering...

It's mainly because Porsche customers would be up in arms if Porsche made them buy a car worthy of the price. Porsche customers demand that Porsche fit $170K of premium into their $80K car.

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Apr 10, 2018 3:07:01 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: TB993tt

Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

TB993tt:
RC:
SciFrog:
Where was the hose?

I am sorry but this water thing just feeels like poor and sloppy engineering...

Actually...ingenious engineering if you have to stay within a certain budget.

And isn't that the issue Porsche charging for the best engineering but delivering a compromised solution, they know all about intercooling big time and could easily have set up a production run with their erstwhile Motorsports supplier Secan, a company run by bean counters now

The better question is can Secan supply at least 2000 intercoolers, if not 3000 or more of them in the time frame Porsche wanted? Each car takes 2 intercoolers, the production run will be at least 1000 cars, on the low end, maybe Secan can push and stretch to make the quota, but definitely not at the high estimate.

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Apr 10, 2018 4:02:56 PM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: Whoopsy

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Well depends on the time frame... This would need to be planned way ahead...

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Apr 11, 2018 5:18:00 AM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: SciFrog

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The cause of the fire in this GT2RS customer car seems to be a broken piston rod, BTW Smiley

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Apr 11, 2018 5:20:02 AM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: MKSGR

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Here we go again angry

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Apr 11, 2018 5:36:56 AM

the-missile: Rennteam Master; Loc: The World , France; Posts: 3484, Gallery; Registered on: May 10, 2014; Reply to: bluelines

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Barbecue 3.8L again smiley

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Apr 11, 2018 11:25:17 AM

DJM48: Expert; Loc: Australia , Australia; Posts: 1720, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2015; Reply to: the-missile

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No fire but quite the noise at start up.

The car that Mark Webber drove at the Australian F1 GP 2 weeks ago

https://youtu.be/nGjaDprptME

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Apr 11, 2018 2:21:41 PM

Boyko23: Veteran; Loc: Sofia , Bulgaria; Posts: 1116, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 27, 2004; Reply to: DJM48

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AB Sportscars Supertest available this Friday... :)

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Apr 11, 2018 2:53:20 PM

TB993tt: Rennteam Pro; Loc: manchester , United Kingdom; Posts: 2280, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 22, 2002; Reply to: Boyko23

Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

AB Sportscars Supertest available this Friday... :)

Please can some kind soul post this up for us as soon as its out.

Excited to see how the GT2RS's water sprayed 700PS fares against the 720S;s 720PS in a 0-300kph power/traction play Smiley

720S was

0-100kph in 2.7s

0-200kph in 7.2s

0-250kph in 11.3s

0-300kph in 19.4s

Also interested in what the car actually weighs in its presumably Weissach road trim, I am expecting 1475kg but Smiley

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Apr 11, 2018 3:16:12 PM

Ferdie: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Europe , Germany; Posts: 8234, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 2, 2004; Reply to: Whoopsy

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Whoopsy:
TB993tt:
RC:
SciFrog:
Where was the hose?

I am sorry but this water thing just feeels like poor and sloppy engineering...

Actually...ingenious engineering if you have to stay within a certain budget.

And isn't that the issue Porsche charging for the best engineering but delivering a compromised solution, they know all about intercooling big time and could easily have set up a production run with their erstwhile Motorsports supplier Secan, a company run by bean counters now

The better question is can Secan supply at least 2000 intercoolers, if not 3000 or more of them in the time frame Porsche wanted? Each car takes 2 intercoolers, the production run will be at least 1000 cars, on the low end, maybe Secan can push and stretch to make the quota, but definitely not at the high estimate.

You have a point, however if Porsche is able to source at least 4000 magnesium rims and a few hundred or thousand carbon swaybars... I would be surprised if they cannot manage to source the necessary amount of intercoolers. Granted, there might be an additional production line necessary for that alone.

I do not find that water spray function to be very ingenious, on the one hand because it has been used before from other manufacturers several years ago and on the other because it is only a compromise necessary because the target couldn't be met otherwise.

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Apr 11, 2018 3:53:11 PM

BiTurbo: Rennteam Master; Loc: X , United States; Posts: 3251, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 27, 2006; Reply to: SciFrog

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SciFrog:

Exactly. Just raise the price and do it right. That’s what you expect from a luxury brand on their top model.

The price is already raised in a very ridiculous way for a 911 with extra oomph, while the quality seems to degrade in newer generations in a much faster way as their nbr lap times Smiley

I was attacked many times back in 2014 when I cancelled my GT3 x2 order(s) and jumped onto the Italian V12 wagon and many thought I was mocking Porsche on purpose Smiley

I'm glad this news about the GT2 RS came out directly from an old respected member, can't blame some customers that will be looking into V8 exotics from Germany, Italy & UK as replacement Smiley

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Apr 11, 2018 4:43:13 PM

TB993tt: Rennteam Pro; Loc: manchester , United Kingdom; Posts: 2280, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 22, 2002; Reply to: BiTurbo

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Just for some illustration for those who are unfamiliar with intercooler detail, the cooling effectiveness comes mainly from the core materials and construction, here are some pics.

Firstly the standard Porsche Spanish made production intercooler

Next the Marston product, these are the intercoolers I have on my 800+ hp 997 GT2

Lastly the latest cores from Secan, this intercooler is from my 993 turbo.

The Marston and Secan are an aerospace quality with materials and techniques used to create radiators/intercoolers for military helicopters and commercial areoplanes, Marston in particular also supply high end race teams inc formula one, these are expensive and not to be confused with the tuner market offerings.

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Apr 11, 2018 5:04:13 PM

Porker: Rennteam VIP; Loc: SZ , Switzerland; Posts: 7062, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 17, 2005; Reply to: TB993tt

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Delicious things to look at angel

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Apr 11, 2018 6:13:54 PM

Boyko23: Veteran; Loc: Sofia , Bulgaria; Posts: 1116, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 27, 2004; Reply to: TB993tt

Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

TB993tt:

AB Sportscars Supertest available this Friday... :)

Please can some kind soul post this up for us as soon as its out.

Excited to see how the GT2RS's water sprayed 700PS fares against the 720S;s 720PS in a 0-300kph power/traction play

720S was

0-100kph in 2.7s

0-200kph in 7.2s

0-250kph in 11.3s

0-300kph in 19.4s

Also interested in what the car actually weighs in its presumably Weissach road trim, I am expecting 1475kg but

One thing is confirmed, buddy... New Sachsenring record!!!

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Apr 11, 2018 8:32:10 PM

TB993tt: Rennteam Pro; Loc: manchester , United Kingdom; Posts: 2280, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 22, 2002; Reply to: Boyko23

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Boyko23:
One thing is confirmed, buddy... New Sachsenring record!!!

I guess that should be compared with the 7XXLT version ?

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Apr 11, 2018 9:22:32 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: Ferdie

Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

Ferdie:
Whoopsy:
TB993tt:
RC:
SciFrog:
Where was the hose?

I am sorry but this water thing just feeels like poor and sloppy engineering...

Actually...ingenious engineering if you have to stay within a certain budget.

And isn't that the issue Porsche charging for the best engineering but delivering a compromised solution, they know all about intercooling big time and could easily have set up a production run with their erstwhile Motorsports supplier Secan, a company run by bean counters now

The better question is can Secan supply at least 2000 intercoolers, if not 3000 or more of them in the time frame Porsche wanted? Each car takes 2 intercoolers, the production run will be at least 1000 cars, on the low end, maybe Secan can push and stretch to make the quota, but definitely not at the high estimate.

You have a point, however if Porsche is able to source at least 4000 magnesium rims and a few hundred or thousand carbon swaybars... I would be surprised if they cannot manage to source the necessary amount of intercoolers. Granted, there might be an additional production line necessary for that alone.

I do not find that water spray function to be very ingenious, on the one hand because it has been used before from other manufacturers several years ago and on the other because it is only a compromise necessary because the target couldn't be met otherwise.

Oh god, don't even mention the magnesium rims, they are having a hard time filling those orders, let alone the carbon fibre wheels on the Turbo S Exclusive.

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