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Apr 9, 2018 7:28:58 AM
- Throttlesteerer
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Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)
M3ike:BTW the rear wing deploys depending on your driving style, it's not just programmed to pop up at a certain speed threshold
Could you please elaborate on that a little more?
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Apr 10, 2018 8:31:03 PM
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Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)
I just took the car out for a spirited drive on greasy/wet B-roads which I always tend to enjoy more than a modern car on dry roads as the limits are simply too high to explore. And while I'm completely in love with the 991.2 GT3, especially the engine and turn-in are on another level than the 997 RS, I struggle to trust it over the limit. Partly due to lack of experience (I'm at 2500km), but I suspect partly due to the RWS. Whilst I loved to "dance" with the 997 and let it slide at will, the 991.2 seems to 'bite' more. When it steps out of line under power in 2nd, it's all easily controllable. But when it does so at slightly higher speeds (low rpm 3rd/4th) and you correct, it seems to overcorrect, resulting in a 'tankslapper'. It never happened to me in the 997 and it happened twice in the 991 already, anyone else have the same impression?
I guess it's a matter of getting used to the effect of RWS, I'm certainly booking a course with the car to get to know that a bit better.
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Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)
Porker:Whilst I loved to "dance" with the 997 and let it slide at will, the 991.2 seems to 'bite' more. When it steps out of line under power in 2nd, it's all easily controllable. But when it does so at slightly higher speeds (low rpm 3rd/4th) and you correct, it seems to overcorrect, resulting in a 'tankslapper'. It never happened to me in the 997 and it happened twice in the 991 already, anyone else have the same impression?
Hi Frank - did you do this with the ESC and TC turned on or off?
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Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)
Hello folks. My name is Paul Some may know me as Old Guy over at Rennlist. My friend Watt told me I would enjoy it over here. Not so many "I want my headlight ring to match my seatbelt color" GT3 threads here. More drivers. I got my white .2 GT3 in December. I just changed the oil last week in my garage. So I think its time to hit the redline! I have known Grant since our 993 days. This is my 3rd GT3. I had a 996, and a 997 GT3. How do I put my pic in my avatar?
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Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)
bluelines:Welcome Paul
So what color is your headlight rings?
Now now, blue, be sensible 
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Paul seen the light and realises the real men are over at Rennteam. Very few like Caymans here, son 
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Welcome to the hairiest board on the web, Paul.
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Apr 11, 2018 6:37:38 AM
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the-missile
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Apr 11, 2018 6:46:25 AM
- DaveGordon
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Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)
@Frank : I drove the Mk2 yesterday from my boss and I was shocked how soft the clutch was - but then with the rev matching Manual it's super rewarding like the GT4. Car had only 700 km but twisty roads felt from a chassis point of view not different to the Mk1 - just a bit lower in "tone" which I guess comes from the increase of displacement, Having driven my RS997 Mk2 just last week-end over a pass the clutch and gears (taking it by the horns) in comparison feels very old - but very manly 
. So whilst the 991 is unbelievable solid it is also a bit "to perfect" - quiet (no rattling) vs the 997RS shakes and rattles and whilst slower it is super rewarding 
However, you cannot go wrong with a GT3 Mk1 or Mk 2 - probably the best 911 for people that are not tracking that much !
Apr 11, 2018 6:56:02 AM
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Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)
throt:DaveGordon:Oh, and the R8 is the best car in the world.
And,,, Watches, Paul you have to own a Rolex. Not a FitBit like me
Yes, if you don’t have chest hair you need to own at least one very expensive watch. Unlike throt and myself who both feel comfortable with our manliness and wear sport watches 
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,Apr 11, 2018 7:51:05 AM
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Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)
paulgt3:Hello folks. My name is Paul Some may know me as Old Guy over at Rennlist. My friend Watt told me I would enjoy it over here. Not so many "I want my headlight ring to match my seatbelt color" GT3 threads here. More drivers. I got my white .2 GT3 in December. I just changed the oil last week in my garage. So I think its time to hit the redline! I have known Grant since our 993 days. This is my 3rd GT3. I had a 996, and a 997 GT3. How do I put my pic in my avatar?
Welcome Paul! 
Look forward to hearing about your experience with your new GT3! 
Eunice might be able to help if you have any IT problems, e.g. uploading pics, avatar, etc.
Anyway, as they say in the movies, you're welcome! 
Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)
As a friend of Watt he will have made an informed decision on joining us, no?
Anyway, up to speed immediately with the comments above... (Hello Paul!)
On the subject of GT3's: my dealer informed me that mine is still in "K4" waiting for some painted bits apparently.
Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)
Porker:I just took the car out for a spirited drive on greasy/wet B-roads which I always tend to enjoy more than a modern car on dry roads as the limits are simply too high to explore. And while I'm completely in love with the 991.2 GT3, especially the engine and turn-in are on another level than the 997 RS, I struggle to trust it over the limit. Partly due to lack of experience (I'm at 2500km), but I suspect partly due to the RWS. Whilst I loved to "dance" with the 997 and let it slide at will, the 991.2 seems to 'bite' more. When it steps out of line under power in 2nd, it's all easily controllable. But when it does so at slightly higher speeds (low rpm 3rd/4th) and you correct, it seems to overcorrect, resulting in a 'tankslapper'. It never happened to me in the 997 and it happened twice in the 991 already, anyone else have the same impression?
I guess it's a matter of getting used to the effect of RWS, I'm certainly booking a course with the car to get to know that a bit better.
You get used to it. The problem is that Porsche tries to adapt the ESP/TC to typical driver behavior and they choose the "average" driver, not the experienced one for that matter. So in some cases, the ESP/TC can be counter-productive for experienced drivers but you find your way(s) around it, don't worry.
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Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)
paulgt3:Hello folks. My name is Paul Some may know me as Old Guy over at Rennlist. My friend Watt told me I would enjoy it over here. Not so many "I want my headlight ring to match my seatbelt color" GT3 threads here. More drivers. I got my white .2 GT3 in December. I just changed the oil last week in my garage. So I think its time to hit the redline! I have known Grant since our 993 days. This is my 3rd GT3. I had a 996, and a 997 GT3. How do I put my pic in my avatar?
Welcome to RT, Paul.
What's your personal opinion comparing the different GT3s?
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Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)
bluelines:throt:DaveGordon:Oh, and the R8 is the best car in the world.
And,,, Watches, Paul you have to own a Rolex. Not a FitBit like me
Yes, if you don’t have chest hair you need to own at least one very expensive watch. Unlike throt and myself who both feel comfortable with our manliness and wear sport watches
And he has to pass my personalized annoyance test. 
Welcome, Paul...I think you're good. 
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Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)
Grant:Porker:Whilst I loved to "dance" with the 997 and let it slide at will, the 991.2 seems to 'bite' more. When it steps out of line under power in 2nd, it's all easily controllable. But when it does so at slightly higher speeds (low rpm 3rd/4th) and you correct, it seems to overcorrect, resulting in a 'tankslapper'. It never happened to me in the 997 and it happened twice in the 991 already, anyone else have the same impression?
Hi Frank - did you do this with the ESC and TC turned on or off?
Grant, ESC+TC turned off, as the goal was to let it play a little bit and the systems are quite restrictive, so my comments of overcorrecting are more referring to my own actions. Counter steering + the effect of RWS seems to exaggerate the desired effect, I'm assuming you have to give less input then what you're used to on older 911's. 
Welcome Paul!
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Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)
bluelines:RC:And he has to pass my personalized annoyance test.
After 13 years on RT this test still seem to be going for me
Nah, you passed. Sorry for not telling you.
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Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)
Porker:Grant:Porker:Whilst I loved to "dance" with the 997 and let it slide at will, the 991.2 seems to 'bite' more. When it steps out of line under power in 2nd, it's all easily controllable. But when it does so at slightly higher speeds (low rpm 3rd/4th) and you correct, it seems to overcorrect, resulting in a 'tankslapper'. It never happened to me in the 997 and it happened twice in the 991 already, anyone else have the same impression?
Hi Frank - did you do this with the ESC and TC turned on or off?
Grant, ESC+TC turned off, as the goal was to let it play a little bit and the systems are quite restrictive, so my comments of overcorrecting are more referring to my own actions. Counter steering + the effect of RWS seems to exaggerate the desired effect, I'm assuming you have to give less input then what you're used to on older 911's.
Welcome Paul!
Frank, I've read mixed feelings about the RWS. It's something one has to get used to I guess. I will report my own experience, once I (finally) get my car...
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Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)
RC:bluelines:RC:And he has to pass my personalized annoyance test.
After 13 years on RT this test still seem to be going for me
Nah, you passed. Sorry for not telling you.
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2013 Audi S3 | Glacier White
Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)
bluelines:RC:bluelines:RC:And he has to pass my personalized annoyance test.
After 13 years on RT this test still seem to be going for me
Nah, you passed. Sorry for not telling you.
Congrats ...
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Apr 11, 2018 12:02:37 PM
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the-missile
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Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)
Porker:I just took the car out for a spirited drive on greasy/wet B-roads which I always tend to enjoy more than a modern car on dry roads as the limits are simply too high to explore. And while I'm completely in love with the 991.2 GT3, especially the engine and turn-in are on another level than the 997 RS, I struggle to trust it over the limit. Partly due to lack of experience (I'm at 2500km), but I suspect partly due to the RWS. Whilst I loved to "dance" with the 997 and let it slide at will, the 991.2 seems to 'bite' more. When it steps out of line under power in 2nd, it's all easily controllable. But when it does so at slightly higher speeds (low rpm 3rd/4th) and you correct, it seems to overcorrect, resulting in a 'tankslapper'. It never happened to me in the 997 and it happened twice in the 991 already, anyone else have the same impression?
I guess it's a matter of getting used to the effect of RWS, I'm certainly booking a course with the car to get to know that a bit better.
I'm pretty sure Chris Harris in his review of the .2 GT3 mentioned it was spikier in how it oversteered compared to the .1 GT3. I thought when the car slides RWS is essentially disabled and the rear wheels are 'locked' straight. Maybe they changed the programming for the .2 GT3? Went for a 3 hour drive in my .1 GT3 Sunday and it seemed pretty progressive much like my old 991S. Of course it was only 4C outside so the tires never really got up to temp...and I'm a crap driver...
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