Crown

Board: Porsche Language: English Region: Worldwide Share/Save/Bookmark Close

Forum - Thread


    What would I do if I made the decisions at Porsche?

    Barrett raised some good points in a response to my note regarding exclusivity. I guess he asking me what would I do if I ran Porsche. It is quite simple.

    First, know what type of company I am. A terrific sport car company catering to a market niche which is small, affluent and passionate about their cars. I would not want to be a generalist company catering to the masses and hoping to compete with BMW, MB, GM, Ford as Porsche appears to be trying to do.

    Second produce two models. The base 911 which would have the performance of today's TT (415hp) and priced in the 110,000-115,000 range. Based on my reading, the TT was the biggest profit generated for Porsche. The second model will be a TT with a minimum of 500hp and would be the elite of the sport car world except fpr the supercars. The price on this car would be in the 150,000 range.

    Third, create a separate division and call it (whatever) which is dedicated to working with other manufacturers to produce the Cayenne, Boxster and the four door sedan. Possibly it would be in conjunction with VW. The car can be sold as a amalgamation of the engineering of both companies.

    Porsche nevertheless would remain focused on producing the world's best sport car. The price point of course would lessen demand but profits would remain high because your limiting R&D to sport cars and sharing the rest with another company. Profit margins on the two models will be substantial but the performance and relative exclusivity would make the car worth it.

    I give this advise to Porsche because I am feeling magnanimous today.

    Re: What would I do if I made the decisions at Porsche?

    Quote:
    nberry said:
    Barrett raised some good points in a response to my note regarding exclusivity. I guess he asking me what would I do if I ran Porsche. It is quite simple.





    Yeah let's just throw that Boxster cheap-wanna-be car into the other company, because, well it's not really a Porsche anyway right?

    If Ferrari had a "lesser" model you'd change your tune. Oh wait, they do. Maserati. heh-heh. I'd take my "not really a Porsche" Boxster S anyday over anything Maserati makes. Except for maybe the MC12, if I could actually drive it on the street. Oh wait, that's not a Maserati either.

    Re: What would I do if I made the decisions at Porsche?

    Quote:
    Mellow Yellow said:
    If Ferrari had a "lesser" model you'd change your tune. Oh wait, they do. Maserati. heh-heh.



    Actually, I thought all the Ferrari "lesser" models are Fiats. At least with Porsche, all the "lesser" models are still Porsche.

    Re: What would I do if I made the decisions at Porsche?

    So snobbery is alive and well and living in certain quarters of Rennteam!

    What is wrong with the Boxster being called unashamedly a Porsche? I would certainly agree with the early 924 with its Volkswagen Transporter van engine (the only Porsche bit was the badge?). Eight years after it's introduction the Boxster is still winning group tests up against the latest Mercedes, BMW, Honda etc etc.


    Perhaps the 911's should be called Volkswagens with the obvious rear engine ancestry!!

    Re: What would I do if I made the decisions at Porsche?

    Nick,

    Nice try, but it reveals the same naiveté of car manufacturing and sales economimcs that has led to you now owning a Fiat.

    Porsche needs to answer to shareholders AND its client base. Pleasing both fully is never going to be easy, or for that matter possible, whilst still remaining an independent company.

    Re: What would I do if I made the decisions at Porsche?

    Nick, you forgot to add point No. 5:

    filing for bankruptcy pretty soon.

    The most interesting part: I cannot agree with even ONE single point of what you said and I would change A LOT of things if I would run Porsche.

    Re: What would I do if I made the decisions at Porsche?

    Nick,

    Doesnt make any sense to me, sorry dude. I also read that we will not hear from you for a month now , I was sorry to hear that, since while I disagreed with probably all your posts here, it really didint disturb me that much... Anyway I hope we will see you after that month with better ideas, may be you should dedicate this period of time by driving as many Porsche as you can

    Re: What would I do if I made the decisions at Porsche?

    Porsche is doing fine as they are,

    they just need a 220~k mini CGT.

    Re: What would I do if I made the decisions at Porsche?

    I can't believe you think the Boxster somehow doesn't deserve to wear the Porsche badge.

    Re: What would I do if I made the decisions at Porsche?

    I couldn't disagree more. I think that Porsche is doing an almost perfect job of running the greatest sports car company on the planet. Some of the models are not for me, the C4S cab for example, but they are wonderful cars that fit with the tastes of many car enthusiasts. My favorites, the GT3, GT2, and Carrera GT are each spectacular driver's cars that perform above their price range. I'd just get them to weigh less. Maybe I'd also have some sort of new lightweight midengine GT platform planned for 100k that would blow a GT3 out of the water, with all that good aero stuff like a Carrera GT too. That would be nice.

    Nberry, you're right, Porsche is not Ferrari, they are not as exclusive, nor are they as showy (some models are exceptions). However, this is one of the things that I love most about the cars. Almost any true believer can work hard enough to own a decent model if given enough time to save up. To me it's a good thing that most men could someday own a GT3 if they are determined. This is not true with a 200k Ferrari. There are many benefits to having a lower priced supercar with more owners. Maintenance is cheaper and you can trust the mechanics more with a Porsche. The aftermarket is much larger and more developed for Porsche than for Ferrari. Also try using a 360 at the track for a year and then try using a GT3 for a year. I'm sure that there is a night and day difference regarding the ease of making minor modifications and replacing race consumables. I like cars that I can use.

    Re: What would I do if I made the decisions at Porsche?

    Quote:
    Yargk said:
    To me it's a good thing that most men could someday own a GT3 if they are determined.



    Amen!

    Re: What would I do if I made the decisions at Porsche?

    Just found this thread.... here's my .02

    Porsche is already an "assembler" of cars. They no longer "manufacture" them. So, in essence some parts suppliers to Porsche might also be supplying General Motors, or Ford. It's important to have the highest standards of QC, especially now that they are outsourcing so much.

    Being an "assembler" there is nothing to stop them setting up deals for platforms as well. That would be a logical next step for them since they have already "partnered" with VW.

    For a 10 year plan I would suggest that they have the following base models:

    Boxster and Boxster derivatives (from same platform)
    911 and derivatives (from same platform)
    Cayenne and derivatives (from same platform)
    CGT and derivatives (racers)
    A new 4 door sports sedan

    They should shop around for platforms that best suit them. However they MUST develop in house design, suspension, engine & transmission. That is what Porsche is all about.

    Here's what I think. The 911 will be more of a GT
    called the "911GT"

    The Boxster should become Porsche's pure sports car because it is mid engine and 2 passenger. They should even give it a numeric number. It was a big marketing mistake IMHO to begin using Alpha designations. The exception would be the
    word "Carrera"

    American cars have alpha names. German cars should all be numeric (and most of them are)

    Porsche needs a 4 door sports sedan with a wide range of pricing (from V6 to V10 and/or Turbo. It should be called the "989SS" (for Sports Sedan) or something that will bring back some older memories.

    I don't know what the Boxster should be called, but I never liked that name. It's a grade-shool combination of 2 old Porsche vocabulary words. (Ugh!)

    So you have:
    911GT (whatever)
    987 (whatever)
    955XS (whatever)
    CGT- stays the same 'cause it's unique
    989SS-new sports sedan
    989SC-new 2 door, 4 passenger GT

    Well, at least it's a start.

    Re: What would I do if I made the decisions at Porsche?

    Quote:
    doncapecod said:
    It should be called the "989SS" (for Sports Sedan) or something that will bring back some older memories.




    Well Don, "SS" is a complete non-starter, because it would bring back the wrong kind of "older memories".

    Re: What would I do if I made the decisions at Porsche?

    Quote:
    fritz said:
    Well Don, "SS" is a complete non-starter, because it would bring back the wrong kind of "older memories".



    indeed

    Re: What would I do if I made the decisions at Porsche?

    my first thoughts as well...
    hmmm Don, I think some of the porsche lovers would crusify you, would you come to manage porsche
    -Joost-

    Re: What would I do if I made the decisions at Porsche?

    Total nonsense as usual. Now I understand what your problem is... the lowest priced model must start at $115k, as anything less than that is not "exclusive" !?

    If we were to accept your idiotic comments we would add another one - PAG should discriminate against idiots who value image more than their timeless designs.

     
    Edit

    Forum

    Board Subject Last post Rating Views Replies
    Porsche Sticky SUN'S LAST RUN TO WILSON, WY - 991 C2S CAB LIFE, END OF AN ERA (Part II) 4/11/24 6:53 AM
    GnilM
    752940 1796
    Porsche Sticky Welcome to Rennteam: Cars and Coffee... (photos) 4/7/24 11:48 AM
    Boxster Coupe GTS
    430621 565
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: Cayman GT4 RS (2021) 5/12/23 12:11 PM
    W8MM
    258551 288
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: Porsche 911 (992) GT3 RS - 2022 3/12/24 8:28 AM
    DJM48
    255434 323
    Porsche Sticky The new Macan: the first all-electric SUV from Porsche 1/30/24 9:18 AM
    RCA
    79499 45
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: Taycan 2024 Facelift 3/15/24 1:23 PM
    CGX car nut
    5256 50
    Porsche The moment I've been waiting for... 2/1/24 7:01 PM
    Pilot
     
     
     
     
     
    868216 1364
    Porsche 992 GT3 7/23/23 7:01 PM
    Grant
    801750 3868
    Porsche Welcome to the new Taycan Forum! 2/10/24 4:43 PM
    nberry
    384058 1526
    Porsche GT4RS 4/15/24 10:24 PM
    mcdelaug
    381911 1444
    Others Tesla 2 the new thread 12/13/23 2:48 PM
    CGX car nut
    365368 2401
    Porsche Donor vehicle for Singer Vehicle Design 7/3/23 12:30 PM
    Porker
    364127 797
    Ferrari Ferrari 812 Superfast 4/21/23 8:09 AM
    the-missile
    285733 550
    Porsche Red Nipples 991.2 GT3 Touring on tour 4/11/24 12:32 PM
    Ferdie
    284189 668
    Porsche Collected my 997 GTS today 10/19/23 7:06 PM
    CGX car nut
     
     
     
     
     
    257958 812
    Lambo Huracán EVO STO 7/30/23 6:59 PM
    mcdelaug
    235436 346
    Lotus Lotus Emira 6/25/23 2:53 PM
    Enmanuel
    222709 101
    Others Corvette C8 10/16/23 3:24 PM
    Enmanuel
    218854 488
    Others Gordon Murray - T.50 11/22/23 10:27 AM
    mcdelaug
    165719 387
    Porsche Back to basics - 996 GT3 RS 6/11/23 5:13 PM
    CGX car nut
    137777 144
    BMW M 2024 BMW M3 CS Official Now 12/29/23 9:04 AM
    RCA
    114749 303
    Motor Sp. 2023 Formula One 12/19/23 5:38 AM
    WhoopsyM
    107022 685
    Others Valkyrie final design? 4/28/23 2:45 AM
    Rossi
    99108 219
    Porsche 2022 992 Safari Model 3/7/24 4:22 PM
    WhoopsyM
    83384 239
    AMG Mercedes-Benz W124 500E aka Porsche typ 2758 2/23/24 10:03 PM
    blueflame
    74852 297
    Porsche 992 GT3 RS 3/3/24 7:22 PM
    WhoopsyM
    52864 314
    Motor Sp. Porsche 963 3/16/24 9:27 PM
    WhoopsyM
    24535 237
    Ferrari Ferrari 296 GTB (830PS, Hybrid V6) 1/21/24 4:29 PM
    GT-Boy
    20869 103
    BMW M 2022 BMW M5 CS 4/8/24 1:43 PM
    Ferdie
    19110 140
    AMG G63 sold out 9/15/23 7:38 PM
    Nico997
    16383 120
    128 items found, displaying 1 to 30.