Crown

I don't expect a massive price increase, but at least 10% (like GT3).  It's still 50-75hp less than GT3.  GT3 won't disappear, but it's already been reported that 992 GT3 will have ~550hp (so at least 100hp more than GT4).  GT3 might have a bit less than this power level if it stays NA, I guess.  But no need for concern - Porsche has this stuff planned out and they are masters at making every model fit in a tightly controlled price and performance window.

18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

Grant:

the-missile:

it will be close or seriously too closed to a GT3 on a track. something is wrong here.

Nothing wrong here.  By the time the GT4 is released, the GT3 will be totally or nearly out of production (and the GT3 RS should have nothing to fear)...

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18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

 

Good points, well made sir!!  As I recall, you are quite familiar with both the GT4 and GT3... 

I think the pricing could be in the $120-125K range but at least in the US if supplies are limited then the dealer asking prices are going to be well into GT3 range. I would actually prefer a PDK GT4 w/ a detuned 4L motor to my .2 GT3 for a variety of reasons.  However I think that depending on supply and available options if a 4L GT4 sees the light of day it could potentially be a very difficult and pricey allocation to obtain.

"Don't worry about avoiding temptation, as you grow older it will avoid you"  Churchill

With the 4L that will be proper hotrodding

DaveC:

I think the pricing could be in the $120-125K range

That would be almost 50% increase - no way...  Last GT4 was $84,600.  I think starting under $100k (plus more for options).

Porsche likes to offer good value in the GT3 and GT4 and have more buyers than cars - can be annoying for customers sometimes, but Porsche likes this business model.

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18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

Grant:

DaveC:

I think the pricing could be in the $120-125K range

That would be almost 50% increase - no way...  Last GT4 was $84,600.  I think starting under $100k (plus more for options).

Porsche likes to offer good value in the GT3 and GT4 and have more buyers than cars - can be annoying for customers sometimes, but Porsche likes this business model.

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18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

 

 

Maybe the GT motor isn’t nearly as costly as I had assumed?

"Don't worry about avoiding temptation, as you grow older it will avoid you"  Churchill

DaveC:

Maybe the GT motor isn’t nearly as costly as I had assumed?

I would not be surprised to see some cost cutting going along with the "detuning".  For instance, with a lower redline they could replace the Titanium conrods with Steel ones.  This alone would be a considerable savings.  Probably some other things like this too...

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Porsche made a mistake and priced the original GT4 too low. They will not do that mistake again.

SciFrog:

Porsche made a mistake and priced the original GT4 too low. They will not do that mistake again.

The mistake wasn’t pricing the GT4 too low - the mistake was offering too few NA engine and Manual gearbox fun-to-drive and track-ready affordable alternatives which caused demand to swell for the GT4...

If the 991.1 GT3 had offered Manual or produced more 911R’s or other high powered Cayman/Boxster models, many GT4 buyers would have bought them instead.

There are many more alternatives in the 991.2 generation (GT3 Touring & Manual winged, Speedster, 911T, etc.) - pricing the GT4 50% higher will destroy the reason for that model (bringing new customers to the brand with attainable road/track excellence that is bulletproof with many laps.

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18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

pmarkow:

Whoopsy:

No word on the GT4RS yet, they still haven't decided.

GT4 will have 4.0 GT3 engine detuned. Possibly between 425-450HP. GT3 manual gearbox included.

so nomPDK on the GT4?

Spotty internet access here in Africa right now sorry.

whereabout in africa if i may ask....

Just manual.

Was in Namibia with the animals and now in South Africa with humans.

pmarkow:

RC:

Whoopsy:

RC:

Whoopsy:

No word on the GT4RS yet, they still haven't decided.

GT4 will have 4.0 GT3 engine detuned. Possibly between 425-450HP. GT3 manual gearbox included.

Spotty internet access here in Africa right now sorry.

So they finally decided? Was about time.  

 

They have decided for a while, but it's also been a long while since I last chatted with them.

 

Now if you just could get out of them if the 960 is coming or not...because right now, I put my "money" on something else but I would love to stick with Porsche. 

where are you putting your money? not into RM i hope:::))))

Next R8...or Huracan...maybe even McLaren (if they get the sound close to the 488). Depends on pricing, I will look for a "bargain" on a weekend fun car.

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991.2 Carrera GTS Cabriolet (2018), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)

Whoopsy:

pmarkow:

Whoopsy:

No word on the GT4RS yet, they still haven't decided.

GT4 will have 4.0 GT3 engine detuned. Possibly between 425-450HP. GT3 manual gearbox included.

so nomPDK on the GT4?

Spotty internet access here in Africa right now sorry.

whereabout in africa if i may ask....

 

Just manual.

Was in Namibia with the animals and now in South Africa with humans.

 

Capetown?

Spyderidol:

Whoopsy:

pmarkow:

Whoopsy:

No word on the GT4RS yet, they still haven't decided.

GT4 will have 4.0 GT3 engine detuned. Possibly between 425-450HP. GT3 manual gearbox included.

so nomPDK on the GT4?

Spotty internet access here in Africa right now sorry.

whereabout in africa if i may ask....

 

Just manual.

Was in Namibia with the animals and now in South Africa with humans.

 

Capetown?

cool, love CT. but internet is good there:::))))

Go shark cage diving at Gansbaai - not too far from Capetown.

Now that was fun  

Grant:

SciFrog:

Porsche made a mistake and priced the original GT4 too low. They will not do that mistake again.

The mistake wasn’t pricing the GT4 too low - the mistake was offering too few NA engine and Manual gearbox fun-to-drive and track-ready affordable alternatives which caused demand to swell for the GT4...

If the 991.1 GT3 had offered Manual or produced more 911R’s or other high powered Cayman/Boxster models, many GT4 buyers would have bought them instead.

There are many more alternatives in the 991.2 generation (GT3 Touring & Manual winged, Speedster, 911T, etc.) - pricing the GT4 50% higher will destroy the reason for that model (bringing new customers to the brand with attainable road/track excellence that is bulletproof with many laps.

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18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

 

I don't agree. Anyone could have bought a base manual 911 or even manual Cayman S for that. And we all know if GT4 had PDK they would have sold event more. GT4 was simply too cheap for the car they offered in the Porsche lineup, which made the car desirable so even cheaper to own as resale value stayed high. Don’t underestimate the power of a good deal, who doesn’t want to drive a car (ANY car for that matter) for almost free? Many people would compromise on a manual car vs PDK just because it is too much of a good deal...

I drove mine for “free” 

2017 991.2 Carrera 4 GTS | GT Silver Metallic - The GT3 Killah!
2013 Audi S3 | Glacier White

bluelines:

I drove mine for “free” 

You certainly did but GT4 prices have dropped, probably to the latest GT4 "GT3 engine" rumor. Good timing. 

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bluelines:

I drove mine for “free” 

I sold mine for $1k profit, not including tax, insurance, mods, etc 

18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

Spyderidol:

Whoopsy:

pmarkow:

Whoopsy:

No word on the GT4RS yet, they still haven't decided.

GT4 will have 4.0 GT3 engine detuned. Possibly between 425-450HP. GT3 manual gearbox included.

so nomPDK on the GT4?

Spotty internet access here in Africa right now sorry.

whereabout in africa if i may ask....

 

Just manual.

Was in Namibia with the animals and now in South Africa with humans.

 

Capetown?

Yes. Beautiful city.

Good internet here but with a jammed packed schedule don't have much free time for me to go over all pictures and post stuff.

RC:

bluelines:

I drove mine for “free” 

You certainly did but GT4 prices have dropped, probably to the latest GT4 "GT3 engine" rumor. Good timing. 

...watch those prices skyrocket when it turns out the rumour is not true 

Yes, it was probably a good timing. Although I must say that I enjoy the GTS more than the GT4. The GTS is a much more complete package and in Sport Plus mode as fun as the GT4. The only thing the GTS is falling short on is the sound. But every time I miss that NA sound I do remind myself that the GTS is faster than a GT3 and then all is good again 

Anyway, something is not right. The Spyder clearly has a 4-cylinder turbo engine and the GT4 has got the same exhaust pipes as the Spyder. Those happen to look like the PSE exhaust pipes on the 991.2... 

2017 991.2 Carrera 4 GTS | GT Silver Metallic - The GT3 Killah!
2013 Audi S3 | Glacier White

bluelines:

RC:

bluelines:

I drove mine for “free” 

You certainly did but GT4 prices have dropped, probably to the latest GT4 "GT3 engine" rumor. Good timing. 

...watch those prices skyrocket when it turns out the rumour is not true 

Yes, it was probably a good timing. Although I must say that I enjoy the GTS more than the GT4. The GTS is a much more complete package and in Sport Plus mode as fun as the GT4. The only thing the GTS is falling short on is the sound. But every time I miss that NA sound I do remind myself that the GTS is faster than a GT3 and then all is good again 

Anyway, something is not right. The Spyder clearly has a 4-cylinder turbo engine and the GT4 has got the same exhaust pipes as the Spyder. Those happen to look like the PSE exhaust pipes on the 991.2... 

I am happy with the sound of my GTS Cab but probably because I can open the top (the sound experience intensifies). I will clearly miss this car but I cannot afford keeping it and the coming C63 S AMG Cab facelift.  My wife loves the GTS as well (see photo, not sure if you can see it but she even had a pair of skis in the car) but my son refuses to be driven to school in the Porsche, so... I know...kids but what can we do?!  Also my wife needs the back seats for her friends and/or to be able to move both kids in a comfortable way from A to B.

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991.2 Carrera GTS Cabriolet (2018), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)

RC:

bluelines:

RC:

bluelines:

I drove mine for “free” 

You certainly did but GT4 prices have dropped, probably to the latest GT4 "GT3 engine" rumor. Good timing. 

...watch those prices skyrocket when it turns out the rumour is not true 

Yes, it was probably a good timing. Although I must say that I enjoy the GTS more than the GT4. The GTS is a much more complete package and in Sport Plus mode as fun as the GT4. The only thing the GTS is falling short on is the sound. But every time I miss that NA sound I do remind myself that the GTS is faster than a GT3 and then all is good again 

Anyway, something is not right. The Spyder clearly has a 4-cylinder turbo engine and the GT4 has got the same exhaust pipes as the Spyder. Those happen to look like the PSE exhaust pipes on the 991.2... 

I am happy with the sound of my GTS Cab but probably because I can open the top (the sound experience intensifies). I will clearly miss this car but I cannot afford keeping it and the coming C63 S AMG Cab facelift.  My wife loves the GTS as well (see photo, not sure if you can see it but she even had a pair of skis in the car) but my son refuses to be driven to school in the Porsche, so... I know...kids but what can we do?!  Also my wife needs the back seats for her friends and/or to be able to move both kids in a comfortable way from A to B.

Those wheels are the best in the current 911 lineup.

Let ur son take the bus , kids need to know that life is not easy and its our duty as parents to teach them. My daughter wants an ultraviolet or a ruby star 911, the girl got taste. 

You guys are so lucky. My family doesn’t give a rats arse about cars... .

throt

"I Have Done It!".

991 GT3 pick up in October 2014.

991 GT3.2 pick up April/May 2018. ( Hairy Chest Spec ).

Rennteam Hairy Chest Advisor.

She's five years old, who knows if they will be allowed driving in 15 years. Robots might take over the world. 

AP911:

She's five years old, who knows if they will be allowed driving in 15 years. Robots might take over the world. 

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991.2 Carrera GTS Cabriolet (2018), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)

AP911:

Those wheels are the best in the current 911 lineup.

I'm not sure which wheels are the best in the current 911 lineup, but I am sure that they have 5 lugs and not center-locks

18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

You had them off/on yet, Grant? Aside from some faff cleaning and greasing they’re not so bad. Some might say they add character.

2015 911 GT3, 1964 Type 1

RC

but my son refuses to be driven to school in the Porsche, so... I know...kids but what can we do?! 

Tell him to walk or ride his bike?

Funny, when I was 15 I’d have sold my grandmother to be dropped off at school in a Porsche!

2015 911 GT3, 1964 Type 1

DaveGordon:

You had them off/on yet, Grant? Aside from some faff cleaning and greasing they’re not so bad. Some might say they add character.

Yeah, I’ve done it once.  They add character to the owner (as in “suffering builds character”) 

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