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    Dec 27, 2007 8:23:40 PM

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    Re: The Cayman's engine does use dry-sump system!

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    GatorBite said:BTW: Scott Slauson does X-51 conversions to 987s for $25,000 complete. I think the engine itself is around $16,000. If my Cayman S engine dies outside of my warranty, this is the way I'll go.


    380hp in the Cayman would be tons of fun! I'm still holding out for a Cayman GT with GT3 motor, adjustable suspension and gearbox (with LSD)

    I really hope Porsche offers something similar, but could be wishful thinking

    Dec 28, 2007 1:34:37 PM

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    Re: The Cayman's engine does use dry-sump system!

    That would definitely be a fun car. But I think that is wishfull thinking. I can't see Porsche giving the Cayman real teeth anytime soon. It's already very close in performance to a Carrera and Porsche takes their image and brand identity very seriously. They understand that the reason they can get the prices they charge is because of the purists. They don't want to [beep] off that group of customers, and most of the purists are big 911 fans. They discovered this back in the 80s when they tried to kill the 911 and replace it with the 928.

    I personally think the Cayman has a bright future, and I am sure that Porsche will some day ultimately transition to mid engine placement as more of a rule rather than an exception. But that will happen in baby steps and the 911 will reign supreme until its' sales slow.

    Step 1: Introduce a mid engine car into the line up. Give it a small low horsepower engine so it doesn't challenge the 911 and let it show off its' chassis. (1997 - Boxster with 201hp)

    Step 2: Make a prototype super car (like the 959 or CGT) that has it's engine in the middle. This will send a message to the next generation of Porsche owners, the kids who are hanging Porsche posters in their bedrooms right now, that mid engine placement is not blasphemous.

    Step 3: Expand the first mid engine street car platform. Slowly and incrimentally increase it's horsepower and add a coupe to the model line up when the roadster sales start to flatten. (2006, here comes the Cayman S with 51% of it's parts coming from the 996 parts bin)

    Step 4: The 911 has attracted a strange variation of customers. Some are purists interested in pure sport performance. Others are elitist interested in owning a Porsche as a status symbol. We don't want to lose any customers, so lets make some other models so we can spread this group out and the elitists can own a high power Porsche without it being a 911. Once these customers are out of the 911 models, we can begin to return it to it's hard core sports car roots. (Introducing the Panamera, perfect for the elitist not interested in pure sport)

    Step 5: The purists are die hard fans, but they care most about performance. Now it's time to make a hard core mid engine street car. Let's not call it a 911, lets not call it a Cayman. Let's simply call it the GT and send it racing. We can make it with more 911 bits but with the mid engine chassis of the Cayman. This way we can bridge the two models.

    Step 6: I'm not sure. Anyone care to make a prediction?

    Dec 28, 2007 2:01:12 PM

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    Re: The Cayman's engine does use dry-sump system!

    The success of the 997S surprised Porsche so perhaps they'll move the 998 much more upmarket (with GT3, RS and Turbo models to the fore), leave the Boxster in its current position and let the Cayman range expand into the gap

    Dec 28, 2007 2:06:31 PM

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    Re: The Cayman's engine does use dry-sump system!

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    2006, here comes the Cayman S with 51% of it's parts coming from the 996 parts bin)
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    Surely as the only difference between the Boxster and equivalent Cayman model being the roof, the Boxster S 3.4 must also share 51% of its parts with the 997?

    Dec 28, 2007 2:46:42 PM

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    Re: The Cayman's engine does use dry-sump system!

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    GatorBite said:BTW: Scott Slauson does X-51 conversions to 987s for $25,000 complete. I think the engine itself is around $16,000. If my Cayman S engine dies outside of my warranty, this is the way I'll go.


    Gator- What do you think of turbocharging the Cayman?:
    http://www.tpcracing.us/

    Dec 29, 2007 2:18:53 AM

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    GatorBite said:Step 6: I'm not sure. Anyone care to make a prediction?



    I think step six is where I show up at my local Porsche dealership, checkbook in hand.

    Jan 2, 2008 2:10:21 PM

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    Re: The Cayman's engine does use dry-sump system!

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    2006, here comes the Cayman S with 51% of it's parts coming from the 996 parts bin)
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    Surely as the only difference between the Boxster and equivalent Cayman model being the roof, the Boxster S 3.4 must also share 51% of its parts with the 997?



    Yes and no. In 2006, when the Cayman S was introduced, it had a new engine (3.4) that was different from the Boxster S engine (3.2). Back then Porsche went on record to say that the Cayman was made from 51% 911 parts (996 & 997 combined), 29% Boxster parts and 20% unique parts. The biggest change to the engine was the fact that the new 3.4 recieved the same Vario-Cam Plus and motronics system that was used on the 911, and camshafts from the 997 Carrera S. Back then the Boxster S was using Vario-Cam (no 'Plus'), so the eninge had more in common with a 911.

    Today (after 2007) the Boxster S has the same 3.4L engine. So yes, the Boxster is now more 911 than ever.

    Jan 2, 2008 2:18:34 PM

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    Re: The Cayman's engine does use dry-sump system!

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    GatorBite said:BTW: Scott Slauson does X-51 conversions to 987s for $25,000 complete. I think the engine itself is around $16,000. If my Cayman S engine dies outside of my warranty, this is the way I'll go.


    Gator- What do you think of turbocharging the Cayman?:
    http://www.tpcracing.us/



    This is all speculation, but based on my automotive experience. I think that turbo charging a Cayman engine without first making serious and major modifications to it to prepare it for that will result in a short lived engine.

    Turbo charging will add a lot of heat and mechanical stress to that engine. Being mid engine, there isn't much room for extra heat in a Cayman. To do it right, the engine should be totaly rebuilt with less compression, lighter pistons, stronger rods, more oil pressure, more cooling, and so on.

    Have you ever compared a 911 and 911 Turbo engine. There are hundreds of changes because Porsche knows that bolting a turbo to an unprepared engine will kill it.

    Turbo charging a Cayman engine to 400 hp is literally taking an engine as asking for 33% more power than it was designed to produce. Converesly, putting an X-51 engine into a Cayman is doing just the opposite. The 3.8L X-51 was designed to push a car that weighs 10% more than a Cayman. In a Cayman shell, it will enjoy light duty and likely last a very long time.

    Jan 2, 2008 2:23:39 PM

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    Re: The Cayman's engine does use dry-sump system!

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    Grant said:
    Quote:
    GatorBite said:BTW: Scott Slauson does X-51 conversions to 987s for $25,000 complete. I think the engine itself is around $16,000. If my Cayman S engine dies outside of my warranty, this is the way I'll go.


    Gator- What do you think of turbocharging the Cayman?:
    http://www.tpcracing.us/



    This is all speculation, but based on my automotive experience. I think that turbo charging a Cayman engine without first making serious and major modifications to it to prepare it for that will result in a short lived engine.

    Turbo charging will add a lot of heat and mechanical stress to that engine. Being mid engine, there isn't much room for extra heat in a Cayman. To do it right, the engine should be totaly rebuilt with less compression, lighter pistons, stronger rods, more oil pressure, more cooling, and so on.

    Have you ever compared a 911 and 911 Turbo engine. There are hundreds of changes because Porsche knows that bolting a turbo to an unprepared engine will kill it.

    Turbo charging a Cayman engine to 400 hp is literally taking an engine as asking for 33% more power than it was designed to produce. Converesly, putting an X-51 engine into a Cayman is doing just the opposite. The 3.8L X-51 was designed to push a car that weighs 10% more than a Cayman. In a Cayman shell, it will enjoy light duty and likely last a very long time.



    But why would anyone want to? Surely the cost of a new Cayman S, plus the cost of the 3.8L X51 engine plus the cost of fitting it, changing other componenets, such as suspension etc etc you'd be better off buying an Audi R8? I know which I'd rather have and it wouldn't be a "boy-racered" Cayman

    Jan 2, 2008 3:54:28 PM

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    Re: The Cayman's engine does use dry-sump system!

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    GatorBite said:Turbo charging a Cayman engine to 400 hp is literally taking an engine as asking for 33% more power than it was designed to produce.


    Point well taken, but 422rwhp is equal to 496hp at the flywheel, so it's 68% more power
     
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