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Jul 2, 2004 1:09:58 PM
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Re: New Porsche 911 meets Aston Martin AMV8 in Top Gear!
I've just read it. First a good write up on the 997 - 'the best sports car ever' and then a secondary article including the AMV8 - however it is just the concept/show car from 6 months ago (or whenever it was), they dont really drive it since it is just a DB7 underneath - but a good discussion about it and comparing it to the 997.
Jul 2, 2004 1:40:07 PM
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Re: New Porsche 911 meets Aston Martin AMV8 in Top Gear!
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'the best sports car ever'
To hear that from Top Gear is really something.
I know that Tiff loved the 911, especially the Turbo but since he left, Top Gear didn't always fell in love with Porsche products. I won't forget the Cayenne Turbo review when they praised the technical part but were ashamed to be seen driving the Cayenne in public.
Jul 3, 2004 7:24:18 AM
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Re: New Porsche 911 meets Aston Martin AMV8 in Top Gear!
let aston martin lunch its AMV8 or whatever they will call it.
porsche doesnt have to prove anything to anyone regarding how sports cars should be made.i see a lot of people criticizing the 997,but why dodnt they have a look to the quality of ferrari that uses fiat components or aston martin which the inside cockpit looks like a ford focus...let all chase porsche...if they can!
porsche doesnt have to prove anything to anyone regarding how sports cars should be made.i see a lot of people criticizing the 997,but why dodnt they have a look to the quality of ferrari that uses fiat components or aston martin which the inside cockpit looks like a ford focus...let all chase porsche...if they can!
Re: New Porsche 911 meets Aston Martin AMV8 in Top Gear!
if i were porsche i would be very worried about the AMV8. if the DB9 is anything to go by this new car could be quite a stormer for 911 money. aston are the only manufacturer competing on porsches level in my eyes, some might say doing it better. ie. quality, price, ideas, execution. for 20 years i have been a 911 fan all my life and this is the first time i am 'swayed'.
not that i can afford either of course! i cant even afford a pizza at uni!!
not that i can afford either of course! i cant even afford a pizza at uni!!
Re: New Porsche 911 meets Aston Martin AMV8 in Top Gear!
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avedon said:
let aston martin lunch its AMV8 or whatever they will call it.
porsche doesnt have to prove anything to anyone regarding how sports cars should be made.i see a lot of people criticizing the 997,but why dodnt they have a look to the quality of ferrari that uses fiat components or aston martin which the inside cockpit looks like a ford focus...let all chase porsche...if they can!
Have you see the interior of the AMV8? I haven't seen a Ford Focus lately, but if it looks like that, I'll happily buy one
Re: New Porsche 911 meets Aston Martin AMV8 in Top Gear!
N*1-its the others sport car makers that are trying to "steel" porsche customers.
N*2-why dont you stop by an aston martin dealer and have a seat in the vanquish(a 260thousand something euro car)and then you will understand what i am talking about.
N*3-i think that porsche can afford not to worry about any other sports car simpley because areal porsche customer will never change porsche with anything.
N*2-why dont you stop by an aston martin dealer and have a seat in the vanquish(a 260thousand something euro car)and then you will understand what i am talking about.
N*3-i think that porsche can afford not to worry about any other sports car simpley because areal porsche customer will never change porsche with anything.
Re: New Porsche 911 meets Aston Martin AMV8 in Top Gear!
Not sure I agree. I arrived in the UK (moved from the US) 4 months ago and the first thing I did on my "free" week-end was to go to an Aston Martin dealer to put my name on the list of the AMV8.
Never in my life have I been so badely catered for in a dealership. The guy had NO TIME at all for me, although there wasn't 1 single other person at the dealership at the time.
I work for one of the best brand names in the UK and when he asked me for a business card and he saw my title and company name, he was quick to change attitude. By that time, I had totally lost interest, moved on a few miles (I live in the Reading area), arranged for the Porsche Importer to help bring my car over for the US and ordered a 997 C2S on the spot (for Pounds1000 deposit, VS the Pounds10,000 the AM dealer wanted to have a slot in the next 4 years!!!).
NEVER and I mean NEVER will I set foot in an AM dealership again. With regards to the car, no one knows aything about it other than it's really beautiful and way overpriced compared to a 997!
JM
Never in my life have I been so badely catered for in a dealership. The guy had NO TIME at all for me, although there wasn't 1 single other person at the dealership at the time.
I work for one of the best brand names in the UK and when he asked me for a business card and he saw my title and company name, he was quick to change attitude. By that time, I had totally lost interest, moved on a few miles (I live in the Reading area), arranged for the Porsche Importer to help bring my car over for the US and ordered a 997 C2S on the spot (for Pounds1000 deposit, VS the Pounds10,000 the AM dealer wanted to have a slot in the next 4 years!!!).
NEVER and I mean NEVER will I set foot in an AM dealership again. With regards to the car, no one knows aything about it other than it's really beautiful and way overpriced compared to a 997!
JM
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avedon said:
N*3-i think that porsche can afford not to worry about any other sports car simpley because areal porsche customer will never change porsche with anything.
avedon,
I think that the day that Porsche thinks it can afford to stop worrying about other sports cars will be they day that it stops trying to keep its sports cars ahead of the competition will be the day that it starts losing its position relative to the competition will be the day that Porsche enthusiasts will start really worrying about the future of Porsche.........
I could have gone on all night without using a comma.
Re: New Porsche 911 meets Aston Martin AMV8 in Top Gear!
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not that i can afford either of course! i cant even afford a pizza at uni!!
Well Luke, since you are at the uni, you are heading in the right direction. Unless, of course, you die of starvation before you graduate.
Is there anything cheaper than pizza on the menu? Let's just say that AM's Dr Uli Bez has declared his intention to take sales away from the 911, and he has the pedigree to know what makes a 911 tick, which is a big part of getting a competitor right, and AM's latest products suggest that he is pushing the right buttons.
Healthy competition is a good thing.
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fritz said:Quote:
avedon said:
N*3-i think that porsche can afford not to worry about any other sports car simpley because areal porsche customer will never change porsche with anything.
avedon,
I think that the day that Porsche thinks it can afford to stop worrying about other sports cars will be they day that it stops trying to keep its sports cars ahead of the competition will be the day that it starts losing its position relative to the competition will be the day that Porsche enthusiasts will start really worrying about the future of Porsche.........
I could have gone on all night without using a comma.
Quite right Fritz. I am taking delivery of my new 997 in October and have had a 'letter of interest' (AM won't let you leave a deposit at present) registered with AM at Brentwood for nearly two years so quite high on the 'list'. The salesman at AM has been superb but more interestingly stated that 80% of reserves has come from 911 owners............. its a natural competitor doing what it was designed to do.
Re: New Porsche 911 meets Aston Martin AMV8 in Top Gear!
That's odd. I've never gotten better service than what I've received from my AM dealer, but perhaps it was because of making an appointment for even my first visit.
In any case, I had already posted the link to this article on the bottom of this thread yesterday. I guess no one noticed?
http://www.rennteam.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=40161&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1
Hope you don't have to be registered. If so, let me know and I will save the images and forward them to an admin.
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PS: The director at my local AM dealership drives a 911, but that will change soon.
In any case, I had already posted the link to this article on the bottom of this thread yesterday. I guess no one noticed?
http://www.rennteam.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=40161&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1
Hope you don't have to be registered. If so, let me know and I will save the images and forward them to an admin.
- J
PS: The director at my local AM dealership drives a 911, but that will change soon.
Re: New Porsche 911 meets Aston Martin AMV8 in Top Gear!
Quote:Per 8/04 Car&Driver's test of DB9 (first non-Brit review I've seen), DB9 was underwhelming from a dynamic standpoint and full of Mercedes-like electrical gremlins.....so unless Bez can actually start to engineer and build dynamically interesting cars (obviously AM wins the styling war), P needn't be too concerned about this pesky wannabee
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Luke R said:
not that i can afford either of course! i cant even afford a pizza at uni!!
Well Luke, since you are at the uni, you are heading in the right direction. Unless, of course, you die of starvation before you graduate.
Let's just say that AM's Dr Uli Bez has declared his intention to take sales away from the 911, and he has the pedigree to know what makes a 911 tick, which is a big part of getting a competitor right, and AM's latest products suggest that he is pushing the right buttons.
Healthy competition is a good thing.
Re: New Porsche 911 meets Aston Martin AMV8 in Top Gear!
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if i were porsche i would be very worried about the AMV8. if the DB9 is anything to go by this new car could be quite a stormer for 911 money. aston are the only manufacturer competing on porsches level in my eyes, some might say doing it better. ie. quality, price, ideas, execution. for 20 years i have been a 911 fan all my life and this is the first time i am 'swayed'.
not that i can afford either of course! i cant even afford a pizza at uni!!
even tough they say in the article that the aston is for 911 money ,they also say the aston is 20000 pounds(35000 euros) more expensive.i dont get it
is 35000 euros is nothing?the second point is in the first article (versus the aston)he is saying "in six month time the 997 could be scrap iron because of the aston launch" . then in the next few pages he says about the 997: "the best sports car ever" .
i dont get it...for me its lack of professionalism and chauvinism.. sorry for people who like top gear guy , but thats my opinion..he is saying that just because the aston is british made.. poor..
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dhayek said:
..for me its lack of professionalism and chauvinism..
Oh, that must mean that this article was written by Jeremy Clarkson.
Bingo!!!
Thanks for confirming. The fact that I guessed right says more about Clarkson's predictability than my astuteness.
Re: New Porsche 911 meets Aston Martin AMV8 in Top Gear!
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Justin said:
That's odd. I've never gotten better service than what I've received from my AM dealer, but perhaps it was because of making an appointment for even my first visit.
In any case, I had already posted the link to this article on the bottom of this thread yesterday. I guess no one noticed?
http://www.rennteam.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=40161&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1
Hope you don't have to be registered. If so, let me know and I will save the images and forward them to an admin.
- J
PS: The director at my local AM dealership drives a 911, but that will change soon.
Noticed it now...thanks for that, good article, there's only one winner on the style front, especially to the 'man in the street'.
Jul 10, 2004 9:43:08 AM
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Re: New Porsche 911 meets Aston Martin AMV8 in Top Gear!
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dhayek said:...for me its lack of professionalism and chauvinism.. sorry for people who like the top gear guy
Don't worry, you won't find many around here... this is a sportcar performance enthusiast group remember?
but the poseur crowd is four blocks down from here and they will not like you criticising Jeremy... heck they even write down his words and quote them like gospel!
Jul 10, 2004 10:07:38 AM
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dhayek said:...for me its lack of professionalism and chauvinism.. sorry for people who like the top gear guy
Don't worry, you won't find many around here... this is a sportcar performance enthusiast group remember?
But you aren't thinking of anyone in particular, are you Carlos?
Jul 10, 2004 10:45:10 AM
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dhayek said:...for me its lack of professionalism and chauvinism.. sorry for people who like the top gear guy
Don't worry, you won't find many around here... this is a sportcar performance enthusiast group remember?
But you aren't thinking of anyone in particular, are you Carlos?
me? no way
... Nobody in perrtycular, why?
Jul 10, 2004 11:27:23 AM
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carlos fromspain said:Quote:
fritz said:Quote:
carlos fromspain said:Quote:
dhayek said:...for me its lack of professionalism and chauvinism.. sorry for people who like the top gear guy
Don't worry, you won't find many around here... this is a sportcar performance enthusiast group remember?
But you aren't thinking of anyone in particular, are you Carlos?
me? no way
Just making sure.
That's exactly what I thought.
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