Dec 20, 2007 4:54:30 PM
Dec 20, 2007 9:02:47 PM
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Porsche-Jeck said:
Nick, I don't think that it was a record attempt - just some "normal" testing during the so-called Industry Days.
WR recently said in another interview: I'm only putting my helmet on if I'm aiming at a laptime < 8 min.
Do you really believe WR doesn't know how to drive a Ferrari ? (or any other car for that matter)
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nberry said:
I read the same version. However, I was surprised with his time of 7.59 for the 599. Maybe, it is not the type of car WR is accustomed to driving around the Ring.
By that you mean huge overweight luxury touring car?
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nberry said:
Grant call it what you want, but if the 7.47 time is correct, it is faster than the 997GT3RS (7.48) around the Ring. If you want to compare acceleration, it is no contest. The RS would be miles behind.
Dec 20, 2007 9:38:21 PM
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nberry said:
I read the same version. However, I was surprised with his time of 7.59 for the 599. Maybe, it is not the type of car WR is accustomed to driving around the Ring.
I have seen 7.47 for the 599 but not sure who posted it.
Dec 20, 2007 10:18:12 PM
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nberry said:
When compared to a Porsche, other cars (particularly front end) would pose a greater challenge for him.
LoL - did you know that he did win the World Rallye championship with an Italian front end car ?
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MKSGR said:
P.S.: A Porsche test driver told me that Porsche test drivers did 7.42 in the 599.
Dec 20, 2007 11:06:44 PM
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Carlos from Spain said:Quote:
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nberry said:
When compared to a Porsche, other cars (particularly front end) would pose a greater challenge for him.
LoL - did you know that he did win the World Rallye championship with an Italian front end car ?
No kidding!
Nick, do you even know who WR is? anybody who reads you might be led to believe you would be so clueless to think that WR is just a test driver who's experience is limited to Porsches ... when that is only a minuscule and late part of his amazing career and wealth of experience. I suggest you read up on him first and them you will see how after what he has driven, on what surfaces, under what circumstances and conditions, and how he drove them... driving a front engined street car on his backyard (Nring) is not going to be a problem or something new, that is like saying that a go-kart is going to pose a challenge to an F1 driver...
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nberry said: Because he drove rally cars YEARS AGO does not make him the top driver of front engine cars today. He spends all his time in rear engine cars.
Dec 21, 2007 12:03:40 AM
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nberry said:
Carlos I am very familiar with WR. Because he drove rally cars YEARS AGO does not make him the top driver of front engine cars today. He spends all his time in rear engine cars. To say that he WAS good in dirt/uneven pavement circuits in front ehgine cars makes him an expert in today's front engine cars is think narrowly and illogically.
Put WR in a Porsche driving the Ring and there is nobody better. Don't try to extrapolate that fact to performance driving in other type of cars.
Show me one record he holds involving other cars on the Ring other than Porsche, NADA.
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Answer this question and we can put this argument to rest. Who would be faster around the Ring in a Porsche; MS or WR? Be careful how you answer.
Dec 21, 2007 12:21:22 AM
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nberry said: Because he drove rally cars YEARS AGO does not make him the top driver of front engine cars today. He spends all his time in rear engine cars.
Not true, Nick! Walter has spend much time lately on the Ring in the new Panamera prototypes (not to mention Cayennes, in case those count too)...
Dec 21, 2007 12:38:56 AM
Dec 21, 2007 1:53:01 AM
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Leawood911 said:
IMHO - Walters experience at the Ring is his greatest asset and what makes him so quick - there. The type of car he drives makes less of a difference, around THAT track he will be quicker in any equal car against the best drivers.
It's like a golf pro playing at his home course except of all the tracks I can think of the Ring is the one where experience is the biggest factor by far - given it's complexity.
Match him against MS at the Ferrrari home test track, in the same 599, and he would not be passing MS! (but maybe Hamilton)
P.S. I bet MS went to the boys at the factory and had a few extra HP added so this would not happen again! No FIA race stewards on the street or at the Ring! I hope WR is watching out for him next time.
Lastly, what are the odds that the day Porsche is testing the 599 MS shows up to 'race' WR? It seems impossible unless Ferrari sent him there.
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nberry said:
Because he drove rally cars YEARS AGO does not make him the top driver of front engine cars today. He spends all his time in rear engine cars. To say that he WAS good in dirt/uneven pavement circuits in front ehgine cars makes him an expert in today's front engine cars is think narrowly and illogically.
Dec 21, 2007 1:34:55 PM
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nberry said: Finally Carlos, point me to a front engine car that WR drove at the Ring which has the fastest time for that car.
Dec 21, 2007 3:17:15 PM
Dec 21, 2007 4:50:59 PM
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Porsche-Jeck said:
" Edited by Ferdie (Fri Dec 21 2007 02:03 PM) "
Hehe, would be interesting to see the pre-edited version
Guys - I guess this discussion is completely pointless.
Why ? Because Nick simply has to criticise WR - finally WR is part of the dark world of Zuffenhausen, simple as that
Dec 21, 2007 5:39:32 PM
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nberry said:
Not so. He is a legend and rightfully so. But for some reason Europeans want to enshrined him as the permanent god of motorsports. Give him any car and he will outdrive anyone else. Poppycock!
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nberry said:
He is old having spent his last several years developing and driving for one car manufacturer with a very unique configured car. Put him in a Porsche he will beat most. Beyond that you are thinking with your hearts.
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nberry said:
Your right the argument is pointless. Europeans tend to hold on to the past a lot longer than North Americans. Not that it is all bad.
Dec 21, 2007 6:34:33 PM
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nberry said:
Carlos, I know you agree with the disgruntled few. That I cannot change. Nor can I change what I know and feel.
If WR is as good as you all say, why isn't racing for a living?
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nberry said:
Carlos, I know you agree with the disgruntled few. That I cannot change. Nor can I change what I know and feel.
If WR is as good as you all say, why isn't racing for a living?
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nberry said:
Carlos, I know you agree with the disgruntled few. That I cannot change. Nor can I change what I know and feel.
If WR is as good as you all say, why isn't racing for a living?
Well he did race for a while and I beleive he was pretty good at it Why risk your life racing when you can make a lot of money testing Porsche's? Nick this is the stupidest argument I've ever seen you start and thats saying something!
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nberry said:
Carlos, I know you agree with the disgruntled few. That I cannot change. Nor can I change what I know and feel.
If WR is as good as you all say, why isn't racing for a living?
Well he did race for a while and I beleive he was pretty good at it Why risk your life racing when you can make a lot of money testing Porsche's? Nick this is the stupidest argument I've ever seen you start and thats saying something!
Trip, reread what you wrote and think about this.
Kimi makes over $50 million a year for about 15 races a year. Alfonso probably more. MS made over 80 million a year. How much do you think old WR makes a year testing Porsche's?
No great driver quits racing for fear of injury. They quit because the cannot be competitive.