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trip said:
That cgt lap time is either from a day where the circuit was wet or the driver can't handle the car. Look at the lap times for the F40 and F50, 2:25.26 and 2:26.52. Do you really believe those cars are faster than a CGT? Do you really believe the GTR could lap the 'ring or any other circuit as fast as a CGT?
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trip said:
That cgt lap time is either from a day where the circuit was wet or the driver can't handle the car. Look at the lap times for the F40 and F50, 2:25.26 and 2:26.52. Do you really believe those cars are faster than a CGT? Do you really believe the GTR could lap the 'ring or any other circuit as fast as a CGT?
Pretty much, yeah.
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KresoF1 said:
Sorry Nick but, you did not drive new GT-R and your claim that car is amazing is pure speculation influenced by car press(specially USA car press).
What if I told you that GT-R will not achive 7.38min on the Ring as Nissan claimed in press release?
Do you really belive that car with 480hp and weight of 1750kg is faster on any track(and in straight line acceleration) then Porsche 997 GT2 or Ferrari F430 Scuderia?
If you do then buy GT-R when it becomes available in USA.
Car press hysteria over GT-R is little bit too loud for my taste...
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trip said:
That cgt lap time is either from a day where the circuit was wet or the driver can't handle the car. Look at the lap times for the F40 and F50, 2:25.26 and 2:26.52. Do you really believe those cars are faster than a CGT? Do you really believe the GTR could lap the 'ring or any other circuit as fast as a CGT?
Pretty much, yeah.
My above post was in response to Vinnie's, but are you saying you do think the F40, F50, and GTR are faster than the CGT? I'm confused.
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thuggy said:
There are a couple threads around with dyno runs showing early GT-Rs producing way more horse power than advertised. This was a Japanese tradition due to laws preventing high horsepower cars or something like Germany's 155 mph agreement I believe. I just hope that this is actually a normal practice that will continue and not just hopped up press cars.
What difference does it make?As long as the price is the same, the customer benefits.
This car is amazing regardless of how you define it. I wrote about a year ago that once the Japanese enter the market of high performance cars, the landscape will change for Europeans car manufacturers. Either they step up or they will pay the price.
Automobile magazine has a good write up on the car and its specifications. Apparently it is equipped witha tamper proof black box which will give a lot of information regarding speed, mods and other stuff many car enthusiast would not want manufacturers or police to know.
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vinnie said:
I am very impressed with the Suzuka laptime.
Porsche GT 612 hp, curb weight 1380. Laptime: 2:28.42
Nissan GT-R 480 hp, curb weight 1780. Laptime: 2:22.8!
That is over 5.5 seconds faster than the fastest ever Porsche.
Please use your brains 
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KresoF1 said:
Sorry Nick but, you did not drive new GT-R and your claim that car is amazing is pure speculation influenced by car press(specially USA car press).
What if I told you that GT-R will not achive 7.38min on the Ring as Nissan claimed in press release?
Do you really belive that car with 480hp and weight of 1750kg is faster on any track(and in straight line acceleration) then Porsche 997 GT2 or Ferrari F430 Scuderia?
If you do then buy GT-R when it becomes available in USA.
Car press hysteria over GT-R is little bit too loud for my taste...
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edz61 said:
This thing moves. Because of the low price many rich parents will buy this car for their kids. As it is you have know idea how many kids in their highly modified hondas and acuras chase my 997tt and try to challenge me. Can you imagine what they will do in the GTR?
Yeah, and just think about the aftermarket upgrades for this car. I bet they'll sell bigger turbos and ECU flashes for over 800hp...
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thuggy said:
There are a couple threads around with dyno runs showing early GT-Rs producing way more horse power than advertised. This was a Japanese tradition due to laws preventing high horsepower cars or something like Germany's 155 mph agreement I believe. I just hope that this is actually a normal practice that will continue and not just hopped up press cars.
What difference does it make?
This car is amazing regardless of how you define it. I wrote about a year ago that once the Japanese enter the market of high performance cars, the landscape will change for Europeans car manufacturers. Either they step up or they will pay the price.
Automobile magazine has a good write up on the car and its specifications. Apparently it is equipped witha tamper proof black box which will give a lot of information regarding speed, mods and other stuff many car enthusiast would not want manufacturers or police to know.
Nick, the difference would be if customer cars were not running hot like the press cars. If the customer gets the same performance great! It wouldn't be the first time a manufacturer provided a modified car to test that different than what a customer would get.
Dec 20, 2007 12:00:35 AM
) it's costing just 70K!!!!! Let's say in Europe it will cost as much as a standard Carrera... the TT is what, 50% more!!! For what? For half a second or a second or two less? Not worth it. Don't even get me started on comparing the GTR with the 430scud price or Lamborghini G-SL and so on... from time to time Quote:
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On the "european car manufacturers" issue: I don't agree with people that focus so much on the statement "the GTR is faster than the 997TT and so on".
That it's not the big issue. Focus people! Even if the GTR is slower (which I believe is the case on a race track), on real world situations the GTR will be at worst glued to the back of a TT or a similar car BUT (and that is a very big BUT
I believe this is the real issue. I am waiting for a 430scud and yes, I believe a F430 or a Lambo G-SL or a GT3/GT3RS/GT2 or similar cars will make me grin much more than a GTR BUT I will still be pissed big time to see a 20 year old kid staying on my tale thinking that it's a much better driver becaus he is driving a 70K GTR that has auto susp, auto gear box, AWD so basically is just steering, accelerating and hopefully braking
Yes, maybe I am still imature but even so 70K compared with 170K, 200K+ makes me shake my head... too big of a difference...
There must be other variables that will affect the performance.
Dec 20, 2007 1:00:26 AM
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Pentium said:
On the "european car manufacturers" issue: I don't agree with people that focus so much on the statement "the GTR is faster than the 997TT and so on".
That it's not the big issue. Focus people! Even if the GTR is slower (which I believe is the case on a race track), on real world situations the GTR will be at worst glued to the back of a TT or a similar car BUT (and that is a very big BUT
I believe this is the real issue. I am waiting for a 430scud and yes, I believe a F430 or a Lambo G-SL or a GT3/GT3RS/GT2 or similar cars will make me grin much more than a GTR BUT I will still be pissed big time to see a 20 year old kid staying on my tale thinking that it's a much better driver becaus he is driving a 70K GTR that has auto susp, auto gear box, AWD so basically is just steering, accelerating and hopefully braking
Yes, maybe I am still imature but even so 70K compared with 170K, 200K+ makes me shake my head... too big of a difference...
Great post! I will be cruising in my 430 Spider and sleek hair kid in Prada glasses will pull alongside and want to give me a go. I will of course snort with "how dare you" and summarily waive him off (which I always do) as though he was fodder not to be even acknowledge. All the while knowing he would kick my butt.
Joe ,I am not a physicist and not able to dispute the numbers you post. However, if performance was as clear cut as you state i.e. know the weight of the car and its hp will give you its acceleration numbers why do they bother to test these cars?
Dec 20, 2007 3:33:12 AM
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thuggy said:
There are a couple threads around with dyno runs showing early GT-Rs producing way more horse power than advertised. This was a Japanese tradition due to laws preventing high horsepower cars or something like Germany's 155 mph agreement I believe. I just hope that this is actually a normal practice that will continue and not just hopped up press cars.
What difference does it make?
This car is amazing regardless of how you define it. I wrote about a year ago that once the Japanese enter the market of high performance cars, the landscape will change for Europeans car manufacturers. Either they step up or they will pay the price.
Automobile magazine has a good write up on the car and its specifications. Apparently it is equipped witha tamper proof black box which will give a lot of information regarding speed, mods and other stuff many car enthusiast would not want manufacturers or police to know.
Nick, the difference would be if customer cars were not running hot like the press cars. If the customer gets the same performance great! It wouldn't be the first time a manufacturer provided a modified car to test that different than what a customer would get.
Thuggy, Edmonds BORROWED a car from an owner and came up with the terrific numbers which I believe are better than the official numbers of Nissan. Additionally, with Corp fraud on the front page daily, I doubt very much the performance parameters would be substantially altered.
Look, you just have to accept the fact that our beloved high priced European cars have been spanked pretty badly by a Japanese low priced car. The question is whether Porsche owners will continue to buy Porsche (if they do it is because of the Marque and nothing else) or will they give this car a serious look.
Ferrari owners are not interested in the GT-R. Though most of us like performance. it is not the driver (pun) when it comes to purchasing a car. For me you know what they are. None of which exist in either the Porsche or the Nissan.
Dec 20, 2007 8:24:13 AM
Dec 20, 2007 2:18:35 PM
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Joe ,I am not a physicist and not able to dispute the numbers you post. However, if performance was as clear cut as you state i.e. know the weight of the car and its hp will give you its acceleration numbers why do they bother to test these cars?
Dec 20, 2007 11:07:58 PM
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JoeRockhead said:
Here are some more numbers for you:
According to a 1/4 mile calculator, if the Nissan weighs 1780kg, plus I'm assuming a 160lb driver, and did the quarter mile at 11.6 @ 120.9 mph as Edmunds claims, the car would need 666hp.
If the car has 473hp as stated in Edmunds, using the same weight, the car has the power to do a 1/4 mile in 12.6 seconds, within 95% accuracy. The car would have to weigh 1600kg, or 500lbs less than the stated weight to achieve the 11.6 seconds stated in the article.
Further, with a vehicle weight of 4050lbs, curb weight plus driver, and a claimed 473hp with AWD, the car is capable of 4.0088 second 0 - 60 times. This assumes the car hooks up and doesn't include any turbo lag, (full 473hp at launch).
No amount of 'new technology' can overcome the laws of physics. So in other words, someone is lying.
Dec 21, 2007 1:41:28 AM
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KresoF1 said:
If that data is accurate I am wondering how long will gearbox and drivetrain last in GT-R? With that kind of mechanical tension not too long IMHO...
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vinnie said:
Yes, very good point Pierre.
GT2 is 100kg heavier and 75hp less than Carrera GT and laps the ring just as fast.
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KresoF1 said:
If that data is accurate I am wondering how long will gearbox and drivetrain last in GT-R? With that kind of mechanical tension not too long IMHO...
The same can be said about the GT2, huh? To me, such a launch control system doesn't make any sense on a road car anyway. What is it for? Traffic-light racing?... Plain stupid.
About the lap times at the Ring: many people are saying that a heavier car than the 997TT can't be quicker. Well, the same people have no problem accepting that the 997 GT2 is almost as quick around the Ring as the CGT, which is both more powerful and lighter. So? If Porsche does wonders, why couldn't Nissan do some too?
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