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Re: BMW X6 official pics and pressrelease
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Crash said:
temm, I can understand the rationale for taking the CLS over the E-class, but driving fun? The X6 is a behemoth, wider than the X5. It just seems like a wannabe trend setter to me.
I agree, this car is a piece of ... I wonder who might buy it
Re: BMW X6 official pics and pressrelease
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Crash said:
temm, I can understand the rationale for taking the CLS over the E-class, but driving fun? The X6 is a behemoth, wider than the X5. It just seems like a wannabe trend setter to me.
I agree, this car is a piece of ... I wonder who might buy it
IMO it never really maked sense to buy a SUV anyway. It was some emotional thing -- buyers wanted to appear mighty and to be different, not driving around in some usual limousine/estate. It worked fine some years ago when the X5 was new, but nowadays IMHO to drive around in e.g. an A8 is elegant avantgarde, while Q7/X5/ML/RR/Cayenne are on every corner.
BMW tried to invent the next new cool thing for the bored SUV target audience. It probably would have worked if the X6 would look great, but somehow it does look ridiculous.
Re: BMW X6 official pics and pressrelease
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The X6 is a behemoth, wider than the X5. It just seems like a wannabe trend setter to me.
And the CLS is not a wannabe trendsetter
But it is of course a marketing reason for this as well, Mercedes "invented" the four-door coupe, and now BMW had to find a new niche and "invented" the SUV Coupe.
I can see people who want a vehicle that is good to drive - for a SUV - byuing the X6. But I agree that SUV and driving fun is not the ideal combo. The car I want to see is the new 8-series, based on the CS Concept, with the new twin-turbo and 4wd system, now THAT will a (family) car! And maybe the Panamera, if the looks improve dramatically with the camo off
Re: BMW X6 official pics and pressrelease
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MKSGR said:Quote:
Crash said:
temm, I can understand the rationale for taking the CLS over the E-class, but driving fun? The X6 is a behemoth, wider than the X5. It just seems like a wannabe trend setter to me.
I agree, this car is a piece of ... I wonder who might buy it
IMO it never really maked sense to buy a SUV anyway. It was some emotional thing -- buyers wanted to appear mighty and to be different, not driving around in some usual limousine/estate. It worked fine some years ago when the X5 was new, but nowadays IMHO to drive around in e.g. an A8 is elegant avantgarde, while Q7/X5/ML/RR/Cayenne are on every corner.
BMW tried to invent the next new cool thing for the bored SUV target audience. It probably would have worked if the X6 would look great, but somehow it does look ridiculous.
Absolutely agree
Also, the size and weight of these cars reduces performance and increases fuel consumption. The same engine in a limo and in a SUV results in massively different acceleration, top-speed and mpg. I guess I am not a typical SUV customer 
Re: BMW X6 official pics and pressrelease
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mumbasic said:
Markus and Crash!! please be carefull with your comments - maybe I will buy one! I'm not 100% sure but I like the car.
AM
Uppps
What a beautiful car this X6 is
I'm sure BMW is quite delighted to hear that there's at least one potential buyer!!
Re: BMW X6 official pics and pressrelease
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zzboba said:
IMO it never really maked sense to buy a SUV anyway. It was some emotional thing -- buyers wanted to appear mighty and to be different, not driving around in some usual limousine/estate. It worked fine some years ago when the X5 was new [...]
Apart from that, an SUV simply offers a completely different driving sensation than anything else. In the past, you had different marques with different models and different philosophies. You could differentiate a BMW and Porsche from a Mercedes and Bentley within a second, both in terms of design and driving character. A Citroen 2CV would not be successfully hitting the market nowadays. SUVs still do...
The X6 is about as useful or -less as any other SUV, or any coupe based on a five-seater limousine. Who complains about it? As I mentioned earlier, the car's unique (read: incognisable) appearance will keep onlookers attracted for quite some time.
Re: BMW X6 official pics and pressrelease
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mumbasic said:
Markus and Crash!! please be carefull with your comments - maybe I will buy one! I'm not 100% sure but I like the car.
AM
Uppps
What a beautiful car this X6 is
Absolutely! Now that I am well rested and in a good mood, the car appears to be fantastic!
Sorry, mumbasic!
Re: BMW X6 official pics and pressrelease
I an first on the list for one at my dealer and it suits me perfectly. I still would like to see it in the metal, but it's looking good thus far.
For people like me who always choose the most sporting of SUVs the X6 makes sense, although its not perfect. I appreciate BMW's efforts to create an even more dynamic drive, I rarely ever carry more than 4 people and yet it is perfectly suitable for the trekking, long cross-european family journeys and the multi-purpose applications that I have used my previous SUVs for. I go deep off-road along muddy tracks, I venture down unmade roads unafraid of what terrain I might find and I find them a real boon in snowy conditions when fitted with the right tyres. I also live out in the country where we often find our roads impassable to normal cars.
There is nothing compromised about it compared to the X5 (for me) as the space it looses over the X5, I never used anyway.
For people like me who always choose the most sporting of SUVs the X6 makes sense, although its not perfect. I appreciate BMW's efforts to create an even more dynamic drive, I rarely ever carry more than 4 people and yet it is perfectly suitable for the trekking, long cross-european family journeys and the multi-purpose applications that I have used my previous SUVs for. I go deep off-road along muddy tracks, I venture down unmade roads unafraid of what terrain I might find and I find them a real boon in snowy conditions when fitted with the right tyres. I also live out in the country where we often find our roads impassable to normal cars.
There is nothing compromised about it compared to the X5 (for me) as the space it looses over the X5, I never used anyway.
Re: BMW X6 official pics and pressrelease
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Absolutely agree
Just think of the X6 as a jacked-up CL, just with better handling
Re: BMW X6 official pics and pressrelease
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Crash said:
temm, I can understand the rationale for taking the CLS over the E-class, but driving fun? The X6 is a behemoth, wider than the X5. It just seems like a wannabe trend setter to me.
I agree, this car is a piece of ... I wonder who might buy it
IMO it never really maked sense to buy a SUV anyway. It was some emotional thing -- buyers wanted to appear mighty and to be different, not driving around in some usual limousine/estate. It worked fine some years ago when the X5 was new, but nowadays IMHO to drive around in e.g. an A8 is elegant avantgarde, while Q7/X5/ML/RR/Cayenne are on every corner.
BMW tried to invent the next new cool thing for the bored SUV target audience. It probably would have worked if the X6 would look great, but somehow it does look ridiculous.
Well, it's safer, easier to see the traffick from and can get you trough bad and snowed down roads other vehicles can't. I still think most people buy it as a more premium looking estate, but that doesn't mean theres no logical reasons for having one
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Re: BMW X6 official pics and pressrelease
For me the reason is that same as I have used to buy my last six SUVs, namely its go-anywhere, do-anything nature. The X6 looses out to the X5 in terms of absolute versatility (less seats, less commodious trunk), but it provides more than enough in this respect for me. It gains with a lower CofG, better dynamics and a new and fresh style.
Price wise we will not know the absolute premium until we compare the X5 and X6 spec/options side by side.
Price wise we will not know the absolute premium until we compare the X5 and X6 spec/options side by side.
Re: BMW X6 official pics and pressrelease
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Crash said:
temm, I can understand the rationale for taking the CLS over the E-class, but driving fun? The X6 is a behemoth, wider than the X5. It just seems like a wannabe trend setter to me.
I agree, this car is a piece of ... I wonder who might buy it
IMO it never really maked sense to buy a SUV anyway. It was some emotional thing -- buyers wanted to appear mighty and to be different, not driving around in some usual limousine/estate. It worked fine some years ago when the X5 was new, but nowadays IMHO to drive around in e.g. an A8 is elegant avantgarde, while Q7/X5/ML/RR/Cayenne are on every corner.
BMW tried to invent the next new cool thing for the bored SUV target audience. It probably would have worked if the X6 would look great, but somehow it does look ridiculous.
Well, it's safer, easier to see the traffick from and can get you trough bad and snowed down roads other vehicles can't. I still think most people buy it as a more premium looking estate, but that doesn't mean theres no logical reasons for having one
elysium, I can see the rationale for having an SUV in Norway, but the rest of the world? Many of these cars NEVER see snow, nor are they driven off-road.
Re: BMW X6 official pics and pressrelease
Here is ze German X6 pricelist:
http://www.bmw.de/de/de/newvehicles/x6/x6/2007/allfacts/downloads/_shared/pdf/x6_preisliste.pdf
Our Californian friends will be happy about this option, 21" wheels in chrome:
Sternspeiche 128, verchromt
10Jx21 mit 285/35 R21 W vorn
11γJx21 mit 325/30 R21 W hinten
Nur in Verbindung mit Nachrüstsatz Radlaufverbreiterungen 5.250,- (euro)
Can't find anything about radar cruise-control (yet) in this pricelist, even though it was mentioned in the pressrelease
http://www.bmw.de/de/de/newvehicles/x6/x6/2007/allfacts/downloads/_shared/pdf/x6_preisliste.pdf
Our Californian friends will be happy about this option, 21" wheels in chrome:
Sternspeiche 128, verchromt
10Jx21 mit 285/35 R21 W vorn
11γJx21 mit 325/30 R21 W hinten
Nur in Verbindung mit Nachrüstsatz Radlaufverbreiterungen 5.250,- (euro)
Can't find anything about radar cruise-control (yet) in this pricelist, even though it was mentioned in the pressrelease
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Re: BMW X6 official pics and pressrelease
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Crash said:Quote:
elysium said:Quote:
zzboba said:Quote:
MKSGR said:Quote:
Crash said:
temm, I can understand the rationale for taking the CLS over the E-class, but driving fun? The X6 is a behemoth, wider than the X5. It just seems like a wannabe trend setter to me.
I agree, this car is a piece of ... I wonder who might buy it
IMO it never really maked sense to buy a SUV anyway. It was some emotional thing -- buyers wanted to appear mighty and to be different, not driving around in some usual limousine/estate. It worked fine some years ago when the X5 was new, but nowadays IMHO to drive around in e.g. an A8 is elegant avantgarde, while Q7/X5/ML/RR/Cayenne are on every corner.
BMW tried to invent the next new cool thing for the bored SUV target audience. It probably would have worked if the X6 would look great, but somehow it does look ridiculous.
Well, it's safer, easier to see the traffick from and can get you trough bad and snowed down roads other vehicles can't. I still think most people buy it as a more premium looking estate, but that doesn't mean theres no logical reasons for having one
elysium, I can see the rationale for having an SUV in Norway, but the rest of the world? Many of these cars NEVER see snow, nor are they driven off-road.
I doubt many SUVs see off-road in Norway either. But they are still as a concept safer than a sedan/estate, and easier to get an overview of traffick from. And when you've gotten stuck in the snow ones with a family filled car on your way to the cabin in -20C, you usually choose to make the safe choice for your next car
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Re: BMW X6 official pics and pressrelease
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elysium said:Quote:
Crash said:Quote:
elysium said:Quote:
zzboba said:Quote:
MKSGR said:Quote:
Crash said:
temm, I can understand the rationale for taking the CLS over the E-class, but driving fun? The X6 is a behemoth, wider than the X5. It just seems like a wannabe trend setter to me.
I agree, this car is a piece of ... I wonder who might buy it
IMO it never really maked sense to buy a SUV anyway. It was some emotional thing -- buyers wanted to appear mighty and to be different, not driving around in some usual limousine/estate. It worked fine some years ago when the X5 was new, but nowadays IMHO to drive around in e.g. an A8 is elegant avantgarde, while Q7/X5/ML/RR/Cayenne are on every corner.
BMW tried to invent the next new cool thing for the bored SUV target audience. It probably would have worked if the X6 would look great, but somehow it does look ridiculous.
Well, it's safer, easier to see the traffick from and can get you trough bad and snowed down roads other vehicles can't. I still think most people buy it as a more premium looking estate, but that doesn't mean theres no logical reasons for having one
elysium, I can see the rationale for having an SUV in Norway, but the rest of the world? Many of these cars NEVER see snow, nor are they driven off-road.
I doubt many SUVs see off-road in Norway either. But they are still as a concept safer than a sedan/estate, and easier to get an overview of traffick from. And when you've gotten stuck in the snow ones with a family filled car on your way to the cabin in -20C, you usually choose to make the safe choice for your next car
That's why I said Norway - for the snow. I absolutely agree, such cars are truly useful if you use their capabilities. Sadly, most SUVs here are urban warriors, terrorizing curbs and the pedestrians on them, instead of being driven in the snow. Regarding the X6, I do like its shape, but it just seems so pointless to have a 2+2 SUV, wouldn't you agree?
Re: BMW X6 official pics and pressrelease
I really don't see why an SUV is only uniquely suitable for Norway.
I live in the UK. I have never bought an SUV for how it makes me look, nor for being able to harass other road users.
In my experience of owning every type of car, the reason I choose to own an SUV covers a variety of functionally valid reasons;
1) Most SUVs take up no greater road space than a mid-sized family estate car. They are wider, but still not as wide as an A8/7er/S-Class and they are significantly shorter. I find limousine class cars just far to big and too much hassle to park here in the UK.
2) We also go skiing at least twice a year, driving to the French Alps full of family and luggage. I would not even attempt that in a luxury limo, and with best intentions I could not take our Audi RS4 recently - it was not possible to fit snow chains to it without a complete change of wheels and even then when loaded the wheelarches would quickly become clogged with snow. It was useless compared to my AMG ML63.
3) I live away from any cities/towns and my first SUV was bought after I was stranded in floods and had to be rescued by helicopter. I was driving a 5-series BMW, and I watched SUVs and 4x4s drive past whilst I became stuck. Most BMW saloons breath via an intake in the wheelarch, whereas the X5 for example breathes at the 'top' of its grille. So it is designed to wade through 'much' deeper water.
4) I have always found it more useful to load tall square objects (such as a TV) rather than long thin objects, which are better suited for estate cars, so I find the SUV's load-space more practical.
5) As has been already mentioned, its easier to see over hedges and road furniture and therefore make safer overtaking moves. I notice the difference by comparison when I drive my sportscars.
6) What struck me most about SUVs when I first bought one, is that by being higher up and having more headroom I found myself relaxing more on a long journey and being less eager to drive fast. This experience is shared by the rest of my family, we don't mind spending 10-12 hours in the car, whereas when we owned large saloons and limos, despite them being roomy they still felt more claustrophobic than an SUV and became cluttered inside on longer journeys.
7) Due to the increased ride height and better vision I find myself more comfortable exploring traks and roads that are not major roads. If I need to turn around due to a blockage on the path, or if the road becomes less suitable I don't immediately become concerned. I would if I was driving my RS4, or my old 7-series.
I could list many other reasons, but an SUV will remain a permanent fixture in my garage for very 'practical' reasons and has nothing to do with image/ego or stupidity.
I live in the UK. I have never bought an SUV for how it makes me look, nor for being able to harass other road users.
In my experience of owning every type of car, the reason I choose to own an SUV covers a variety of functionally valid reasons;
1) Most SUVs take up no greater road space than a mid-sized family estate car. They are wider, but still not as wide as an A8/7er/S-Class and they are significantly shorter. I find limousine class cars just far to big and too much hassle to park here in the UK.
2) We also go skiing at least twice a year, driving to the French Alps full of family and luggage. I would not even attempt that in a luxury limo, and with best intentions I could not take our Audi RS4 recently - it was not possible to fit snow chains to it without a complete change of wheels and even then when loaded the wheelarches would quickly become clogged with snow. It was useless compared to my AMG ML63.
3) I live away from any cities/towns and my first SUV was bought after I was stranded in floods and had to be rescued by helicopter. I was driving a 5-series BMW, and I watched SUVs and 4x4s drive past whilst I became stuck. Most BMW saloons breath via an intake in the wheelarch, whereas the X5 for example breathes at the 'top' of its grille. So it is designed to wade through 'much' deeper water.
4) I have always found it more useful to load tall square objects (such as a TV) rather than long thin objects, which are better suited for estate cars, so I find the SUV's load-space more practical.
5) As has been already mentioned, its easier to see over hedges and road furniture and therefore make safer overtaking moves. I notice the difference by comparison when I drive my sportscars.
6) What struck me most about SUVs when I first bought one, is that by being higher up and having more headroom I found myself relaxing more on a long journey and being less eager to drive fast. This experience is shared by the rest of my family, we don't mind spending 10-12 hours in the car, whereas when we owned large saloons and limos, despite them being roomy they still felt more claustrophobic than an SUV and became cluttered inside on longer journeys.
7) Due to the increased ride height and better vision I find myself more comfortable exploring traks and roads that are not major roads. If I need to turn around due to a blockage on the path, or if the road becomes less suitable I don't immediately become concerned. I would if I was driving my RS4, or my old 7-series.
I could list many other reasons, but an SUV will remain a permanent fixture in my garage for very 'practical' reasons and has nothing to do with image/ego or stupidity.
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