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Re: 488 GTB/GTS
noone1:Maybe you should get into an entry level exotic for the time being, like a Cayman GT4 or something like that.
A Cayman GT4 is an exotic? 
Where? In Switzerland? 
I wanted to start with a F12 or Aventador before I got my 991 Turbo S but now I'm more into a used "old" R8 V10 Plus (if you consider this one an exotic) or a used Lamborghini Gallardo LP550-2 because I could afford them.
My heart however goes to the Huracan right now...my wife already gave the green light, just not my bank account. 
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Re: 488 GTB/GTS
2012 Aventadors are under $300K in the US now, though I've heard 2012s are much worse than later cars. Huracan is probably $210-215K after some bargaining. Huracan is the better car and more or less the same straight line performance, but the Aventador is way cooler looking IMO.
They made over 5K Aventadors already, so they are going to get really, really cheap pretty soon IMO.
On eBay, used, there are currently 160 Gallardos, 32 Huracan, 38 Murcielagos, and 81 Aventadors.
On cars.com, used, there are 250 Gallardos, 89 Huracans, 59 Murcielagos, and 131 Aventadors.
That's an insane amount of Aventadors when you think about how long it's been for sale and how much it costs.
Re: 488 GTB/GTS
noone1:2012 Aventadors are under $300K in the US now, though I've heard 2012s are much worse than later cars. Huracan is probably $210-215K after some bargaining. Huracan is the better car and more or less the same straight line performance, but the Aventador is way cooler looking IMO.
They made over 5K Aventadors already, so they are going to get really, really cheap pretty soon IMO.
On eBay, used, there are currently 160 Gallardos, 32 Huracan, 38 Murcielagos, and 81 Aventadors.
On cars.com, used, there are 250 Gallardos, 89 Huracans, 59 Murcielagos, and 131 Aventadors.
That's an insane amount of Aventadors when you think about how long it's been for sale and how much it costs.
Good to know. 
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Re: 488 GTB/GTS
noone1:Maybe you should get into an entry level exotic for the time being, like a Cayman GT4 or something like that.
RC would rather eat his Sportronic rubber slippers than setting his foot in a GT4.
It is too extreme for him anyway. It is a Porsche Motorsport car not some Ford hotrod.
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Re: 488 GTB/GTS
bluelines:noone1:Maybe you should get into an entry level exotic for the time being, like a Cayman GT4 or something like that.
RC would rather eat his Sportronic rubber slippers than setting his foot in a GT4.
I would love a GT4...
It is too extreme for him anyway. It is a Porsche Motorsport car not some Ford hotrod.
Well...we will meet one day...you in a Porsche Motorsport car, I in a simple run of the mill GTS cab. 
The Ford would be too much for you anyway...
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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)
Re: 488 GTB/GTS
RC:bluelines:noone1:Maybe you should get into an entry level exotic for the time being, like a Cayman GT4 or something like that.
RC would rather eat his Sportronic rubber slippers than setting his foot in a GT4.
I would love a GT4...
It is too extreme for him anyway. It is a Porsche Motorsport car not some Ford hotrod.
Well...we will meet one day...you in a Porsche Motorsport car, I in a simple run of the mill GTS cab.
The Ford would be too much for you anyway...
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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)
Be sure to post the video when it happens.
Re: 488 GTB/GTS
Quattroruote Supertest: Ferrari 488 GTB
Vairano Handling Lap Time:
Porsche 918 Spyder - 1:09.54
Ferrari 488 GTB - 1:11.519 (New)
Lamborghini Huracan LP610-4 - 1:11.79 (Trofeo R)
Lamborghini Aventador LP750-4 SV - 1:11.84
Lamborghini Gallardo Squadra Corse - 1:11.85
McLaren 650S - 1:12.29
Ferrari 458 Speciale - 1:12.45
Porsche 991 GT3 - 1:12.88
Lamborghini Aventador LP700-4 - 1:13.86
Ferrari F12 Berlinetta - 1:14.08
Porsche Cayman GT4 - 1:15.01
Ferrari 458 Italia - 1:15.14
Ferrari 458 Spider - 1:15.15
Ferrari 430 Scuderia - 1:15.16
Porsche 997 GT2 - 1:15.53
Ferrari 599 GTO - 1:16.09
Ferrari FF - 1:16.38
Ferrari California T - 1:16.70
Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano - 1:16.81
Ferrari F430 - 1:17.37
Ferrari Enzo - 1:17.45
Ferrari F430 Spider - 1:18.46
Ferrari California - 1:19.58
Ferrari 575 Maranello - 1:21.55
Ferrari 612 Scaglietti - 1:22.10
Ferrari 550 Maranello - 1:23.70
Ferrari F355 - 1:24.08
Acceleration:
0-60: 1,6
0-100: 2,9
0-120: 3,6
0-130: 4,1
0-160: 5,5
0-180: 6,7
0-200: 8,1
0-220: 9,8
0-240: 11,8
400 m: 10,3s @ 225,8 km/h
1000 m: 18,7s @ 283,0 km/h
Top speed: 330,83 km/h
Weight (w/driver): 1,644 kg
Tires: Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2
Re: 488 GTB/GTS
KresoF1:JEANTET:Yes please?
Imagine yourself in 488 driving 120km/h on the autobahn and me in 991.2 Turbo S at same 120km/h behind you... Then we both floor it at the same time...
And I watch as 488 drives away...
This is the outcome.
if i could choose new between the 488 GTB and the 458 speciale i'd take the speciale .... a no-brainer for me. i'd trade my GT3RS immediately for a speciale but not for a 488 GTB,
peter
Re: 488 GTB/GTS
Peter,
It is your opinion. I agree almost, but not fully.
Just... Had a chance to test drive 488 GTB last weekend. Impressed as much as possible. Guy who owns it has 458 Speciale as well. He do not share your opinion at all. For him (long time Ferrari mid engine cars enthusiast) 488 GTB is more complete product. And 488 is way faster then 458 Speciale on the road.
Re: 488 GTB/GTS
KresoF1:Just to add some numbers from recent SA tests...
Ferrari 488 GTB
80-160km/h(4/5/6/7 gear) 4.3s/5.1s/6.6s/8.9s
Porsche 991.2 Turbo S
80-160km/h (4/5/6/7 gear) 5.9s/7.4s/9.9s/15.5s
Do I need to explain what this means despite DCT in both cars?
Those numbers are impressive , looks like the cars are in really different leauge, did not expect it to be so fast.
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Re: 488 GTB/GTS
KresoF1:Peter,
It is your opinion. I agree almost, but not fully.
Just... Had a chance to test drive 488 GTB last weekend. Impressed as much as possible. Guy who owns it has 458 Speciale as well. He do not share your opinion at all. For him (long time Ferrari mid engine cars enthusiast) 488 GTB is more complete product. And 488 is way faster then 458 Speciale on the road.
Kreso,
what you say is totally correct but for me the 488GTB lacks character. i can't put my finger on what it is exactly but it lacks....the additional speed (no denial of that) is totally useless, it can only put me behind bars. i do not want the fastest car around but the one that conveys the most feeling. GT4, GT3, GT3 RS and 458speciale - although very different cars - hit the sweetspot for me. i do have a preorder in for the 488speciale, i hope it will solve the character problem. if not i stay with porsche.
peter
Re: 488 GTB/GTS
I see that Ferrari starting using Cup tires on their Non-Challenge Stradale/Scuderia/Speciale models. They didn't do this on the 458 GTB, afaik. Makes a nice improvement!
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Re: 488 GTB/GTS
Peter,
Character? Or to be fully honest idiosyncrasy?
991 GT3 RS is fantastic car that only makes sense if you drive it above 6000rpm. Can you do it daily or in the city traffic? No.
488 feels powerfull at low revs as well. When it gets to 6000rpm you are already way faster then RS at 6000rpm.
I am not saying that 488 is a better sportscar then 991 GT3 RS. It sheer rawness it isn't.
991 GT3 RS is for me fantastic sportscar. But, for me so is 488 GTB. I would like to exploit their differences on daily basis.
Re: 488 GTB/GTS
KresoF1:Peter,
Character? Or to be fully honest idiosyncrasy?
no Kreso. charcater. i mean feeling that the car conveys to you on the road.
991 GT3 RS is fantastic car that only makes sense if you drive it above 6000rpm. Can you do it daily or in the city traffic? No.
not true. the RS is a lot of fun (read conveys feelings of driving the car) even at very low revs.
488 feels powerfull at low revs as well. When it gets to 6000rpm you are already way faster then RS at 6000rpm.
faster, yes, and then so what? more powerful yes and so what? the 488 did not talk to me, the speciale and the RS do.
did you read the ECOTY where the GT4 beat the 488GTB (and the RS)? i fully understand their judgement...
I am not saying that 488 is a better sportscar then 991 GT3 RS. It sheer rawness it isn't.
991 GT3 RS is for me fantastic sportscar. But, for me so is 488 GTB. I would like to exploit their differences on daily basis.
to exploit the speed of the 488GTB you have to remove even more speed limits than for the other contenders. one thing speaks for the 488 GTB though: the looks. just fantastic, the porsche turbo S looks ridiculously common and bland next to it.
peter
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