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Jan 30, 2018 2:35:24 PM

Kobalt: Expert; Loc: Europe , Sweden; Posts: 1819, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 18, 2015; Reply to: Gauss

Re: 991.2 GT3 RS

One dealer told me today that Sweden gets 15 units 991.2 GT3RS.

FWIW: Porsche tells their dealers (at least in Sweden) that the RS-cars are to be given out to people that actually uses the cars. They want to see the cars on track and in traffic - not in garages or on Mobile.de.

I know that the last definitely is true - allocations has been redrawn.

Basically Porsche want these cars and their drivers to be ambassadors for the brand.

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Jan 30, 2018 2:39:38 PM

Kobalt: Expert; Loc: Europe , Sweden; Posts: 1819, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 18, 2015; Reply to: Kobalt

Re: 991.2 GT3 RS

redrawn -> withdrawn (Sorry)

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Jan 30, 2018 2:48:08 PM

LP997: Senior; Loc: Nord/sud , France; Posts: 694, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 30, 2010; Reply to: Kobalt

Re: 991.2 GT3 RS

low volumes...compared to the GT2 RS or special model like 997 GT2 RS / 4.0? you have the information

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Jan 30, 2018 2:50:44 PM

crayphile: Rennteam Pro; Loc: England , United Kingdom; Posts: 2861, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 16, 2004; Reply to: Kobalt

Re: 991.2 GT3 RS

Kobalt:
One dealer told me today that Sweden gets 15 units 991.2 GT3RS.

To calibrate, do you know how this compares to 991.1 GT3RS numbers in Sweden?

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Jan 30, 2018 2:52:55 PM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13737, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: LP997

Re: 991.2 GT3 RS

It looks very similar to the .1. Probably a 25-30 increase in hp. Much will depend on how much more they price it from the .1. If there is $10,000 boast in price that would be appropriate. Beyond that I am not so sure.

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Jan 30, 2018 3:00:43 PM

Kobalt: Expert; Loc: Europe , Sweden; Posts: 1819, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 18, 2015; Reply to: crayphile

Re: 991.2 GT3 RS

crayphile:
Kobalt:
One dealer told me today that Sweden gets 15 units 991.2 GT3RS.

To calibrate, do you know how this compares to 991.1 GT3RS numbers in Sweden?

My guess is that this is maybe 1-5 cars more than the GT2RS.

About the total numbers for Sweden I can not tell with certainty but as a comparison my dealer got 8 units of 991.1 GT3 RS in the first round. This time this dealer will probably get 3-4 units 991.2 GT3RS and presumably no more later - but who knows?

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Jan 30, 2018 3:14:16 PM

Kobalt: Expert; Loc: Europe , Sweden; Posts: 1819, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 18, 2015; Reply to: Kobalt

Re: 991.2 GT3 RS

Some more Sweden numbers to compare with:

911R: 15 Units

Turbo Exclusive: 2 Units

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Jan 30, 2018 3:19:49 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59581, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Kobalt

Re: 991.2 GT3 RS

Kobalt:
One dealer told me today that Sweden gets 15 units 991.2 GT3RS.

FWIW: Porsche tells their dealers (at least in Sweden) that the RS-cars are to be given out to people that actually uses the cars. They want to see the cars on track and in traffic - not in garages or on Mobile.de.

I know that the last definitely is true - allocations has been redrawn.

Basically Porsche want these cars and their drivers to be ambassadors for the brand.

I heard that as well and I would love to be a brand ambassador but only if they rent it to me. Smiley

Just heard that a German vlogger rented a E63 S AMG for 6 months from Mercedes, for a "special rate". Lucky guy. He calls that lease but the car is owned by Mercedes (S license plates, guy is from North Germany), so... Smiley Seems to happen often but I have to admit that this is a clever move. Not sure if the viewers of that vlogger will (or could) actually buy a E63 but it is good (and relatively cheap) advertisement for Mercedes.

On a more serious note: It is pretty much inevitable that some people will get the GT2RS and that not everyone of these people will actually drive the car. Which is sad of course.

One of my neighbors is badly looking for a GT2 RS and he can't get one. He has a huge car collection (mostly Mercedes though) and he really drives them, though not all the time. He would drive the GT2 RS but probably only one weekend...per year. Smiley It is really difficult to decide who gets one and who doesn't but there is never a 100% guarantee that the car will be driven often. Unless they give it to me. Smiley

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Jan 30, 2018 3:33:20 PM

Kobalt: Expert; Loc: Europe , Sweden; Posts: 1819, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 18, 2015; Reply to: RC

Re: 991.2 GT3 RS

RC:
It is really difficult to decide who gets one and who doesn't but there is never a 100% guarantee that the car will be driven often. Unless they give it to me.

Very true Smiley

There is no guarantee but it is better that they use this policy and sometimes cars will change hands too quick or end up in a garage, but most often the cars will hopefully end up with the "right" owners.

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Jan 30, 2018 3:57:01 PM

Joost: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Dordrecht , Netherlands; Posts: 8054, Gallery; Registered on: May 3, 2004; Reply to: Kobalt

Re: 991.2 GT3 RS

Well, at least one Dutch owner has been driving his .1 RS... to a cars&drinks new years event :-/

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Jan 30, 2018 4:02:34 PM

KresoF1: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Croatia , Croatia; Posts: 7856, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 3, 2005; Reply to: Kobalt

Re: 991.2 GT3 RS

This Porsche GT "Bubble" needs to inflate pretty quickly.

There are at least 5 991.1 GT3 RS on sale in Germany with only delivery kms. All selling for way more then 200k €. You can even get new 991.2 GT3 for immediate delivery in two PZ in Germany for normal price(with options). How is that possible?

Well, market is at least in EU overflooded with 991.1 GT3 RS and 991.2 GT3. All selling for way above list price. But, nobody is buying them.

I was lucky enough to secure spot for RS at one PZ. My salesman there told me that their excellent costumer is about to become a past costumer. Why? He got 991.1 GT3 RS and decided to sell it. Then he got 991.2 GT3 and decide to sell it. Over the top was that he got 991.2 GT2 RS and decided to sell it. He is a top speculator hidden behind a mask of true Porsche enthusiast. But, he is busted. Only problem is that many like him are still No.1 on many waiting lists...

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Jan 30, 2018 5:18:56 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: Kobalt

Re: 991.2 GT3 RS

Kobalt:
Some more Sweden numbers to compare with:

911R: 15 Units

Turbo Exclusive: 2 Units

Canadian number Smiley

911R: 26

Turbo S Exclusive 6 coupes and 6 cabriolets

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Jan 30, 2018 5:19:57 PM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13737, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: KresoF1

Re: 991.2 GT3 RS

KresoF1:
This Porsche GT "Bubble" needs to inflate pretty quickly.

There are at least 5 991.1 GT3 RS on sale in Germany with only delivery kms. All selling for way more then 200k €. You can even get new 991.2 GT3 for immediate delivery in two PZ in Germany for normal price(with options). How is that possible?

Well, market is at least in EU overflooded with 991.1 GT3 RS and 991.2 GT3. All selling for way above list price. But, nobody is buying them.

I was lucky enough to secure spot for RS at one PZ. My salesman there told me that their excellent costumer is about to become a past costumer. Why? He got 991.1 GT3 RS and decided to sell it. Then he got 991.2 GT3 and decide to sell it. Over the top was that he got 991.2 GT2 RS and decided to sell it. He is a top speculator hidden behind a mask of true Porsche enthusiast. But, he is busted. Only problem is that many like him are still No.1 on many waiting lists...

Why would you want the RS over the GT3 if it can be had for $50,000-$60,000 less? Smiley

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Jan 30, 2018 7:06:31 PM

KresoF1: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Croatia , Croatia; Posts: 7856, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 3, 2005; Reply to: nberry

Re: 991.2 GT3 RS

Nick,

Your estimated difference of 50k $ is probably realistic.

With similar options difference in price between 991.2 GT3 and 991.2 GT3 RS will be around 35k € in Germany. Too much?

Depends... RS will offer better traction, high speed straight line and cornering stability and pretty important thing-higher ground clearance. Better rear view visibility comes a bonus😁.

Is it really worth it? For true Porsche fanatic answer is without any doubt yes.

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Jan 30, 2018 8:04:02 PM

the-missile: Rennteam Master; Loc: The World , France; Posts: 3484, Gallery; Registered on: May 10, 2014; Reply to: KresoF1

Re: 991.2 GT3 RS

we have the same issue here...still RS.1 with delivery miles. patiently waiting for the first 2RS to land here and to be on the local site with outrageous markup... broken heart

few gt3.2 on sale already...same story...delivery miles mail

same issue everywhere...few cars go to enthusiast and most cars go to flippers enlightened

at some point, PAG will have to do something before they get trap in this mess, regional office is already calling sellers angry

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Jan 30, 2018 8:51:21 PM

AP911: Senior; Loc: UAE , United Arab Emirates; Posts: 566, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 28, 2017; Reply to: the-missile

Re: 991.2 GT3 RS

the-missile:
we have the same issue here...still RS.1 with delivery miles. patiently waiting for the first 2RS to land here and to be on the local site with outrageous markup...

few gt3.2 on sale already...same story...delivery miles

same issue everywhere...few cars go to enthusiast and most cars go to flippers

at some point, PAG will have to do something before they get trap in this mess, regional office is already calling sellers

So True. I guess they all jumped on the bandwagon that started here in the US. Demand in the UAE have never been high for Porsches, even GT cars. I know a guy who got one of the GT3RS and planned to sell it but didn't make much profit. As you can find, many still with zero miles are for sale and once more Gt3.2 and GT3RS.2 arrive, they will just have to accept they are not gonna make any profit on them. I remember a friends wanted to sell his cayenne and he was willing to sell it for AED 270k, and through the used marked dealers the price for sale was AED330k. Those are the trick that used car dealers are playing amongst each other.

BTW have you seen the 2 PTS GT3RS for sale, one of them in my favorite color Maritime Blue and the other is in Gulf Blue. If I were to pick a GT3RS, I wouldn't pay much more for PTS because the Orange and Violet are really nice.

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Jan 31, 2018 9:04:48 AM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: KresoF1

Re: 991.2 GT3 RS

KresoF1:
This Porsche GT "Bubble" needs to inflate pretty quickly.

There are at least 5 991.1 GT3 RS on sale in Germany with only delivery kms. All selling for way more then 200k €. You can even get new 991.2 GT3 for immediate delivery in two PZ in Germany for normal price(with options). How is that possible?

Well, market is at least in EU overflooded with 991.1 GT3 RS and 991.2 GT3. All selling for way above list price. But, nobody is buying them.

I was lucky enough to secure spot for RS at one PZ. My salesman there told me that their excellent costumer is about to become a past costumer. Why? He got 991.1 GT3 RS and decided to sell it. Then he got 991.2 GT3 and decide to sell it. Over the top was that he got 991.2 GT2 RS and decided to sell it. He is a top speculator hidden behind a mask of true Porsche enthusiast. But, he is busted. Only problem is that many like him are still No.1 on many waiting lists...

Also, about twelve 991 GT2RS (in Germany!) - no sale has happened over the last weeks. The market even for this new 991 GT2RS seems dead (at least above retail price) Smiley

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Jan 31, 2018 9:08:07 AM

LP997: Senior; Loc: Nord/sud , France; Posts: 694, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 30, 2010; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: 991.2 GT3 RS

A press conference tomorrow with Walter Rohrl for the GT3.2 RS....

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Jan 31, 2018 9:22:17 AM

Anders: Junior; Loc: Sweden , Sweden; Posts: 61, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 9, 2002; Reply to: crayphile

Re: 991.2 GT3 RS

crayphile:
To calibrate, do you know how this compares to 991.1 GT3RS numbers in Sweden?

65 .1 cars delivered so huge difference.

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Jan 31, 2018 12:54:30 PM

Dane: Junior; Loc: Vienna , Austria; Posts: 118, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 8, 2013; Reply to: LP997

Re: 991.2 GT3 RS

LP997:
A press conference tomorrow with Walter Rohrl for the GT3.2 RS....

Levi?

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Jan 31, 2018 1:01:31 PM

LP997: Senior; Loc: Nord/sud , France; Posts: 694, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 30, 2010; Reply to: Dane

Re: 991.2 GT3 RS

Dane:
LP997:
A press conference tomorrow with Walter Rohrl for the GT3.2 RS....

Levi?

yes ;)

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Jan 31, 2018 1:32:17 PM

the-missile: Rennteam Master; Loc: The World , France; Posts: 3484, Gallery; Registered on: May 10, 2014; Reply to: LP997

Re: 991.2 GT3 RS

I can't see anything on the porsche newsroom...that is a bit weird. usually, they are not shy to inform.

Is this an exclusivity for customer currently there?

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Jan 31, 2018 1:59:32 PM

Dane: Junior; Loc: Vienna , Austria; Posts: 118, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 8, 2013; Reply to: the-missile

Re: 991.2 GT3 RS

I just heared the rumor that there will be a "special event" tomorrow

Introduction of the 991.2GT3 RS is just speculation.
I don't believe that we will see/hear anything in the next days. Maybe next week, but we will see ....

What's your last Info?

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Jan 31, 2018 2:37:29 PM

Boxster Coupe GTS: Rennteam Master; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 5884, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 23, 2005; Reply to: Dane

Re: 991.2 GT3 RS

This is the quote about an official Porsche event tomorrow in Levi, Finland...

"Walter Röhrl is here with us in Levi. Tomorrow will be held a Press Event here in Levi. Nobody tells us what will be presented. Also the instructors 'do not know anything'. Top secret, we are told. For sure Walter introduces a GT-car..."

Porsche Driving Center, Levi (Finland)

Smiley

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Jan 31, 2018 4:42:07 PM

Josef: Senior; Loc: Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 658, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 16, 2007; Reply to: Boxster Coupe GTS

Re: 991.2 GT3 RS

A Macan GT5

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Jan 31, 2018 5:24:52 PM

LP997: Senior; Loc: Nord/sud , France; Posts: 694, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 30, 2010; Reply to: Josef

Re: 991.2 GT3 RS

curious!! A GT in snow really fun if its true

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Jan 31, 2018 5:38:39 PM

thierry: Co-Pilot; Loc: Luxemburg , Luxembourg; Posts: 190, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 1, 2005; Reply to: LP997

Re: 991.2 GT3 RS

Guys,

you raised attention and curiosity, what is happening ? What was released ?? I can’t wait now :-)

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Jan 31, 2018 5:45:09 PM

DaveGordon: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Zürich , Switzerland; Posts: 2774, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 20, 2007; Reply to: thierry

Re: 991.2 GT3 RS

Anyone got a contact up there?

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Jan 31, 2018 5:53:43 PM

pmarkow: Rennteam Pro; Loc: cambridge , United Kingdom; Posts: 2277, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 28, 2014; Reply to: DaveGordon

Re: 991.2 GT3 RS

960???????

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Jan 31, 2018 5:56:55 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14171, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: pmarkow

Re: 991.2 GT3 RS

Mission E ?

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