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13.11.2007 21:56:41
- Grant
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Re: Precisely!
okay, my $0.02 on this particular off-topic topic.
The Elise and the 997 are different cars, period. People buy them for different reasons. Like everything in life, it's a compromise and at the end of the day it's up to the driver as to which is the better car. I mean, while people complain about the luggage capacity on a 997, a packet of cigarettes is considered luggage in an Elise.
The Elise/Exige are lovely cars and Lotus has done a really good job. But I'd rather not use them on a daily basis whereas I could very easily imagine using a TT everyday. Each manufacturer have their own set of compromises, and that goes witih he brand so it's equally silly, imo, to hope for Lotus to make a Porsche-like Lotus as to hope for Porsche to make a Lotus-like Porsche.
Incidentally, if you really want a light-weight special, wouldn't the GT3, GT3RS or even the GT2 work?
The Elise and the 997 are different cars, period. People buy them for different reasons. Like everything in life, it's a compromise and at the end of the day it's up to the driver as to which is the better car. I mean, while people complain about the luggage capacity on a 997, a packet of cigarettes is considered luggage in an Elise.
The Elise/Exige are lovely cars and Lotus has done a really good job. But I'd rather not use them on a daily basis whereas I could very easily imagine using a TT everyday. Each manufacturer have their own set of compromises, and that goes witih he brand so it's equally silly, imo, to hope for Lotus to make a Porsche-like Lotus as to hope for Porsche to make a Lotus-like Porsche.
Incidentally, if you really want a light-weight special, wouldn't the GT3, GT3RS or even the GT2 work?
Re: Precisely!
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lotus no longer producing a lightweight car.
Well, since a Porsche Turbo weighs about 80% more than an Elise, I'm not sure how you can say that...
If there was a large market worlwide for Elise type of cars, Porsche could come up with something even better. It wouldn't take them more than a week to do it.
Look at the financial state of Lotus to see how viable their product is.
Re: Precisely!
You guys are missing the point. the inital comments was that Lotus build lighter cars. true. my first Elise weighted ~750kg and had 120PS. Now they weigh closer to 950kg but have ~190PS (of course you can supercarge them). My GT3 weighs 1400kg but has also 415PS. Combine the two and you have a great car...
14.11.2007 10:00:35
- Turbo4ever
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Re: Precisely!
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lotus no longer producing a lightweight car.
Well, since a Porsche Turbo weighs about 80% more than an Elise, I'm not sure how you can say that...
all lotus with that 10yrs old alum chassis is underpower imo, that's why i dont feel the car is that light as they claim. their weight increasing is way ahead their hp/t increasing. however the steering feel is still one of the best.
sure the turbo is heavier, but the hp is more than enough to cover that. not to mention all those aftermarket improvement.
14.11.2007 10:04:14
- Grant
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Re: Precisely!
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Grant said:Quote:
Turbo4ever said:
lotus no longer producing a lightweight car.
Well, since a Porsche Turbo weighs about 80% more than an Elise, I'm not sure how you can say that...
190hp vs 480hp
I don't remember you saying Lotus doesn't produce a powerful car
For those who think that you can compensate for adding weight by adding more power, this is simply not true. The driving experience is vastly different.
14.11.2007 10:12:21
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Re: Precisely!
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Turbo4ever said:Quote:
Grant said:Quote:
Turbo4ever said:
lotus no longer producing a lightweight car.
Well, since a Porsche Turbo weighs about 80% more than an Elise, I'm not sure how you can say that...
190hp vs 480hp
I don't remember you saying Lotus doesn't produce a powerful car
For those who think that you can compensate for adding weight by adding more power, this is simply not true. The driving experience is vastly different.
i know what you mean, but most elise/exige are over 1000kg with only 190hp and no torque at all, i dont think the car feel light, nothing like a go-kart anymore.
and have a look on their nre cars, they re adding weight by adding more power like you said.
14.11.2007 11:56:19
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14.11.2007 13:22:08
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Re: HOT: Pictures from Facelift 997!!!!
14.11.2007 13:32:45
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Re: HOT: Pictures from Facelift 997!!!!
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Here is the facelift Turbo video, enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RrIDnoCPSs
I am in Love!
Thanks for posting the link. It's a pretty good video of the Turbo 997 Mk II with a quite good picture quality. I like it very much!
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14.11.2007 23:50:00
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16.11.2007 11:58:10
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16.11.2007 11:58:43
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16.11.2007 17:19:50
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19.11.2007 13:25:17
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27.11.2007 16:52:40
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27.11.2007 16:53:58
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27.11.2007 17:03:30
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07.12.2007 22:21:12
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Re: HOT: Pictures from Facelift 997!!!!
Thanks for the nice pics. The rear looks great. More dynamic and agile than the current 997. The row of LED'a look good. As seen on some of the Audis. Provides for a modern look. I wonder if this is the final version of the taillights. What's with the square red plastic things?
What a challenge to evolve 911... This time I do not think the designers have lost it. We'll see what the next 911 brings. Might be something more revolutionary and less appealing.
What a challenge to evolve 911... This time I do not think the designers have lost it. We'll see what the next 911 brings. Might be something more revolutionary and less appealing.
10.12.2007 07:02:02
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10.12.2007 10:19:57
- reginos
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Re: Facelift timeline
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I had actually those in mind... seen on the Cayman and Boxster and as the whole range generally gets the same mirrors.....
omg, just notice the new mirror is so ugly, anyone comfirm this gonna be the new one for all?
Euro regulations! You can only hope that US buyers will be spared.
10.12.2007 17:32:24
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Re: Facelift timeline
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I had actually those in mind... seen on the Cayman and Boxster and as the whole range generally gets the same mirrors.....
omg, just notice the new mirror is so ugly, anyone comfirm this gonna be the new one for all?
Euro regulations! You can only hope that US buyers will be spared.
nonono.....if thats true i gonna change that nasty thing right after i got the car!
another great creation after the WART. now thats for outside! 
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