Nov 16, 2007 4:28:18 PM
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Nov 16, 2007 4:28:18 PM
Nov 16, 2007 7:07:01 PM
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nberry said: What I find disturbing is apparently Europeans feel "middle class" is a pejorative term. Middle class in the US means middle in the center. It does not mean poor, cheap or some sort of class categorization. Middle class is main stream.
If that is considered offensive to Europeans, then I am guilty as charged and I apologize. But I will not apologize for designating Porsche as main stream because in my opinion that is what it is. If it makes anyone feel any better, I also believe Ferrari is more of an elitist car and once again I will plead guilty as charged.
Nov 16, 2007 7:27:00 PM
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JimFlat6 said:
Nick you cant be for real saying All SUV's are middle class vehicles? Maybe a Ford Explorer or Chevrolet Jimmy is in the USA, but a RR, Cayenne, X5, M/GL Benzes are def not.
I ask you this and I dare you to answer it. Please point to one person you know who makes 40-50K in the US and has bought a new Porsche this year. Good luck!
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WBH said:
Resale value rankings/calcs are about as statistically accurate/relevant as similarly absurd JDPowers rankings/various crash test data (and claimed overall safety)....
Cost of cars poorly correlates w/owner's income and/or net worth.....most affluent, smart guys are neither interested in cars...nor advertising their wealth to unwashed masses....
Some billionaires in SiliconValley drive Prius; others drive Veyron/CL63/SL55, etc....and many billionaires in NYC are driven around in beat-up S550s (or even POS/dangerous LincTownCars)....choice of private plane often reveals more re: consumption/net worth than mere cars....some of the guys w/the most unassuming, low-profile cars casually fly around in the latest/greatest G550 (or larger).....
In fact, would argue that most buyers of new F are fairly "aspirational"/middle-class in major urban regions like NYC/SF/London/LA....in SF, even dentists daily-commute via new 599......and poseur meccas like LA are full of illiterate/innumerate ricers/rappers who are avid buyers of used (and new) F/P, etc....
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nberry said:
Kelly Blue Book says the five brands with the best overall predicted resale values after 5 years are
1. VW 48.1%
2. BMW 45.6
3. Acura 45.4
4. Honda 45.2
5. Porsche 44.9
The survey excludes low-volume models and most vehicles with sticker prices above $60,000.
Does anyone doubt that Porsche is a middle class car?
Nov 18, 2007 4:50:47 AM
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easy_rider911 said:
What makes Nick think that Ferraris are not middle class cars too? They are middle class cars in the UK since white collar middle class professionals, playboys and poseurs buy Ferraris here in the UK by the truckload.
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DavidSF said:
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David, your post was out of place comepletely and cruel, there will be no personal attacks on the forum. If Nick bothers you then counter-argue his posts with arguments and facts but refrain from insults, and derogatorry judgements about his life, health and what not. With these type of posts and the way you express them you cross the line and does little for proving anything or getting any support here, so tone it down out of respect of the forum and your fellow members.
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John H said:
When I first came on Rennteam one of Nick's anti-Porsche posts really wound me up and I responded accordingly.
I was immediately advised by a long-standing member that, by rising to it, I was, in fact, encouraging him and if everyone simply ignored his controversial posts he would probably revert to his better side.
I think this is probably still good advice.
We've all recently seen his good side and I'm sure there's a sense of humour in there somewhere.
As it is - he's getting off on this response and it all makes no sense whatsoever...
I'm on my seventh Porsche but I don't like every model they've ever made. Some are higher 'class' than others but none are ordinary.
It's all a matter of personal taste and everyone is entitled to an opinion. It's just the way an opinion is expressed that's important.
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nberry said:
Kelly Blue Book says the five brands with the best overall predicted resale values after 5 years are
1. VW 48.1%
2. BMW 45.6
3. Acura 45.4
4. Honda 45.2
5. Porsche 44.9
The survey excludes low-volume models and most vehicles with sticker prices above $60,000.
Does anyone doubt that Porsche is a middle class car?
Nov 24, 2007 5:53:39 AM
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nberry said:
How do you get through the day with your nose always pointed toward the sky? You miss so much.
I am sensing the middle class moniker is not readily accepted by the Porsche owners.
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nberry said:
Kelly Blue Book says the five brands with the best overall predicted resale values after 5 years are
1. VW 48.1%
2. BMW 45.6
3. Acura 45.4
4. Honda 45.2
5. Porsche 44.9
The survey excludes low-volume models and most vehicles with sticker prices above $60,000.
Does anyone doubt that Porsche is a middle class car?
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Whoopsy said:Quote:
nberry said:
Kelly Blue Book says the five brands with the best overall predicted resale values after 5 years are
1. VW 48.1%
2. BMW 45.6
3. Acura 45.4
4. Honda 45.2
5. Porsche 44.9
The survey excludes low-volume models and most vehicles with sticker prices above $60,000.
Does anyone doubt that Porsche is a middle class car?
And you are a lawyer? How did you come to the conclusion that Porsche is middle class cars from that list?
For under $60k the only Porsche one can buy are Boxsters and Caymans and the Cayennes and that does not includes the upper ranges of those models, even the entry level ones have to be lightly equipped to be included, all models 911s are excluded.
Only conclusion I can see from the list is that the Boxsters and Caymans keep their value pretty good.
VW's entire model ranges are good on value, which is actually a surprise to me, same for Acura and Hondas but that's not a big surprise, the BMWs that can be counted are the Z4s and 3 series and since the 3s have always been regarded as a best in class car and are in great demand over the years the resale value is not a surrpise either.
A simple objection from a junior legal aid can throw your point of view out the court window Come on Nick, I know you can do better than that, gives us a better argument.
Nov 24, 2007 9:51:19 PM
Nov 25, 2007 12:42:52 AM
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SoCal Alan said:Quote:
nberry said:
Porsches are the Lexus in the sport car field. Well built, reliable and good value. Nothing to be ashamed about.
That's the best compliment towards Porsche that I've heard from you in a long time, Nick.