Nov 9, 2007 10:02:16 AM
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Whoopsy said:
Wow that exhaust system LOOKS GREAT!!! What is it?
But another major problem arises as with an exhaust like that, I would want a clear rear bumper to show it off, and that set off another can or worms.
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atomic80 said:
Have you even considered cargraphic at all? That's what I have and I still love it. Tubi would be another choice for me if I were to do it all over again.
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STRADALE said:
Thought this may be interesting to some here:
Spoke w/ Alex at SharkWerks. Since they sell AWE, Milltek, tubi thought it would be a good place for exhaust advice.
His comments:
Milltek - Probably the quietest, fitment not that great.
AWE - Probably too deep sounding for a Cabrio. & will probably have the most resonance in a Cabrio.
tubi - Would recommend this system above all others they have installed. Said both the sound & especially fitment / overall quality is the best.
Fabspeed - They don't sell but at first he didn't want to comment, could tell he didn't think highly of this system at all, he said the fitment/quality is not good at all. I know a few guys here have this so no offense.
Asked him if he could choose any exhaust if it were his 997 Turbo Cabrio. & he said tubi. Honestly I don't even know who Alex is but he seemed to know each system very well, they've installed all of the above systems.
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STRADALE said:
Thought this may be interesting to some here:
Spoke w/ Alex at SharkWerks. Since they sell AWE, Milltek, tubi thought it would be a good place for exhaust advice.
His comments:
Milltek - Probably the quietest, fitment not that great.
AWE - Probably too deep sounding for a Cabrio. & will probably have the most resonance in a Cabrio.
tubi - Would recommend this system above all others they have installed. Said both the sound & especially fitment / overall quality is the best.
Fabspeed - They don't sell but at first he didn't want to comment, could tell he didn't think highly of this system at all, he said the fitment/quality is not good at all. I know a few guys here have this so no offense.
Asked him if he could choose any exhaust if it were his 997 Turbo Cabrio. & he said tubi. Honestly I don't even know who Alex is but he seemed to know each system very well, they've installed all of the above systems.
Gregg, Alex "Sharky" Ross is the owner of SharkWerks. He's a prominent member at 6speedonline.com.
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I had a friend listen to both and this is what he had to say. The cargraphic has more of a Porsche sound whereas the Tubi sounds more like a race car. That's a good analogy I'd say so I guess it depends on what you want. And yes, the videos are not a good way to hear what exhausts really sound like in real life. I agree with that sentiment. You can't go wrong with any of these systems. I just personally like both Tubi and cargraphic.
Quote:Both of these are good choices and both are higher priced alternatives. If you're going to spend that amount be sure to look at Europipe too. http://www.europipe.be/1024.html
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I had a friend listen to both and this is what he had to say. The cargraphic has more of a Porsche sound whereas the Tubi sounds more like a race car. That's a good analogy I'd say so I guess it depends on what you want. And yes, the videos are not a good way to hear what exhausts really sound like in real life. I agree with that sentiment. You can't go wrong with any of these systems. I just personally like both Tubi and cargraphic.
For what I want, sounds like the Cargraphic & tubi are the 2 best contenders.
The tips on your car look real nice, who's are they? I'm probably going to keep the stock tips, I like the idea of having a more aggressive sound delivered out of the stock tips. But the quad pipe looks really good too.
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jeffbco said:Quote:Both of these are good choices and both are higher priced alternatives. If you're going to spend that amount be sure to look at Europipe too. http://www.europipe.be/1024.html
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atomic80 said:
I had a friend listen to both and this is what he had to say. The cargraphic has more of a Porsche sound whereas the Tubi sounds more like a race car. That's a good analogy I'd say so I guess it depends on what you want. And yes, the videos are not a good way to hear what exhausts really sound like in real life. I agree with that sentiment. You can't go wrong with any of these systems. I just personally like both Tubi and cargraphic.
For what I want, sounds like the Cargraphic & tubi are the 2 best contenders.
The tips on your car look real nice, who's are they? I'm probably going to keep the stock tips, I like the idea of having a more aggressive sound delivered out of the stock tips. But the quad pipe looks really good too.
Here's what they say about their 997TT system:
Here are some details on our 997 Turbo sport exhaust :
Stock cats are 600 cpsi ( cells per square inch ) size 118mm
Europipe sport cats are 100 cpsi size 153mm / 6 inch ( + 68% cross section )
Stock tailpipes are 60mm
Europipe tailpipes are 76mm / 3 inch ( + 62% cross section )
84mm transition between cats and muffler
Stock exhaust maximum backprssure : 0.44 Bar
Europipe exhaust maximum backpressure : 0.12 Bar ( - 72% )
Powergain : +18hp / +24 Nm
Same weight as stock
There are no Check Engine Light issues because our 100 cpsi cats are huge. The contact area of our cats is identical to the contact area of the stock cats.
The sound of the exhaust ( not the volume ) is somewhat like a 935 at low rpm and as a GT3 at high rpm.You hear the turbos spool up during acceleration and there is a very big " woosh " sound in between shifts.
Nov 13, 2007 4:53:41 PM
Nov 13, 2007 4:58:08 PM
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Alex_ said:
I don't know. From those Tubi videos the car sounded more like a tractor starting up and I thought I heard some pretty heavy resonance too at various points.
I know video comparisons are not the best, but my money is still on the Cargraphic middle loudness option I think.
Then again, I am still waiting to hear a stock MY08 exhaust as apparently they sound much better now than earlier models. So might not even need it after all.
Nov 13, 2007 4:59:48 PM
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Alex_ said:
I don't know. From those Tubi videos the car sounded more like a tractor starting up and I thought I heard some pretty heavy resonance too at various points.
I know video comparisons are not the best, but my money is still on the Cargraphic middle loudness option I think.
Then again, I am still waiting to hear a stock MY08 exhaust as apparently they sound much better now than earlier models. So might not even need it after all.
I haven't heard this. Are there any exhaust changes for MY2008?
Nov 13, 2007 5:02:50 PM
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Alex_ said:
I don't know. From those Tubi videos the car sounded more like a tractor starting up and I thought I heard some pretty heavy resonance too at various points.
I know video comparisons are not the best, but my money is still on the Cargraphic middle loudness option I think.
Then again, I am still waiting to hear a stock MY08 exhaust as apparently they sound much better now than earlier models. So might not even need it after all.
I haven't heard this. Are there any exhaust changes for MY2008?
Not officially there aren't. Unofficially Porsche have taken the comments about the vacuum-cleaner-sounding stock exhaust to heart and apparently made some modifications from what I have heard.
Nov 13, 2007 5:04:09 PM
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cannga said:
Exhaust sound: I was afraid, from the many comments, that this car is whisper quiet. On the contrary, stock is loud enough for me (it's not any more quiet than my C2). In fact any more loud (or stiff) would make the car less desirable as a daily driver. This is of course purely personal preference.
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roadtrip said:
im anxious to hear the tubi in person as im leaning in that direction also...i guess its fabed of chrome plated stainless or is it polished ss ..thx
Nov 13, 2007 5:26:25 PM
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Alex_ said:
I don't know. From those Tubi videos the car sounded more like a tractor starting up and I thought I heard some pretty heavy resonance too at various points.
I know video comparisons are not the best, but my money is still on the Cargraphic middle loudness option I think.
Then again, I am still waiting to hear a stock MY08 exhaust as apparently they sound much better now than earlier models. So might not even need it after all.
I haven't heard this. Are there any exhaust changes for MY2008?
Not officially there aren't. Unofficially Porsche have taken the comments about the vacuum-cleaner-sounding stock exhaust to heart and apparently made some modifications from what I have heard.
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atomic80 said:
Are you also planning to get headers too? I'm not sure if headers would make any discernable differences since I'm told that they'd be more of a benefit in non-Turbocharged cars. I could be wrong though.
Nov 13, 2007 5:47:46 PM
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Alex_ said:
I don't know. From those Tubi videos the car sounded more like a tractor starting up and I thought I heard some pretty heavy resonance too at various points.
I know video comparisons are not the best, but my money is still on the Cargraphic middle loudness option I think.
Then again, I am still waiting to hear a stock MY08 exhaust as apparently they sound much better now than earlier models. So might not even need it after all.
I haven't heard this. Are there any exhaust changes for MY2008?
Not officially there aren't. Unofficially Porsche have taken the comments about the vacuum-cleaner-sounding stock exhaust to heart and apparently made some modifications from what I have heard.
Heard from who?
I haven't noticed any changes in exhaust sound & if there was it's definitely not noticeable vs earlier Turbo's .
Nov 13, 2007 6:33:19 PM
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Alex_ said:
I don't know. From those Tubi videos the car sounded more like a tractor starting up and I thought I heard some pretty heavy resonance too at various points.
I know video comparisons are not the best, but my money is still on the Cargraphic middle loudness option I think.
Then again, I am still waiting to hear a stock MY08 exhaust as apparently they sound much better now than earlier models. So might not even need it after all.
I haven't heard this. Are there any exhaust changes for MY2008?
Not officially there aren't. Unofficially Porsche have taken the comments about the vacuum-cleaner-sounding stock exhaust to heart and apparently made some modifications from what I have heard.
Heard from who?
I haven't noticed any changes in exhaust sound & if there was it's definitely not noticeable vs earlier Turbo's .
Lots of magazines have reported this (especially since the Cabriolet release), plus my dealership who have had a LOT of demo/press/customer Turbos through their doors (incl. every Turbo ordered through a UK OPC), plus others I know who have bought late MY07 and MY08 cars.
If you have personally put an early MY07 Turbo next to an MY08 one though and compared the two directly, then I bow to your greater experience.
Nov 13, 2007 6:55:29 PM