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Sep 27, 2007 10:16:39 PM
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Re: BMW to build CS
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http://4wheelsblog.com/released/future-looks-good-for-bmw
That is good news, I love the CS !
Sep 28, 2007 7:51:17 AM
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Re: BMW to build CS
Cool 
(Thanks Ron)
So far the Concpet CS looks a million times better than the Panamera, but we'll have to wait for the final products come out. I hope they don't change much on the CS, it's looks fantastic the way it is.
And a CS with the rumoured 4.0 litre bi-turbo V8 (410 hp, and a mountain of torque) will be
(Thanks Ron)So far the Concpet CS looks a million times better than the Panamera, but we'll have to wait for the final products come out. I hope they don't change much on the CS, it's looks fantastic the way it is.
And a CS with the rumoured 4.0 litre bi-turbo V8 (410 hp, and a mountain of torque) will be
Re: BMW to build CS
I agree with Dr. Phil and temm, so far it looks better than the Panamera.
I have read from the head designer that each future model of the range will feature its own identity (a little bit like X5/X3 vs Z4 vs 3/5/7 series if you like), OTOH if someone knows a BMW employee who says otherwise...
I have read from the head designer that each future model of the range will feature its own identity (a little bit like X5/X3 vs Z4 vs 3/5/7 series if you like), OTOH if someone knows a BMW employee who says otherwise...
Sep 29, 2007 12:29:51 AM
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Doubt a perf limo will help BMW/P increase their profit margins...
CS is a CLS-styling knock-off....CLS launched some 3-4 yrs ago and is already a "has-been" among the peri-menopausal target buyers...
S65 is arguably leading perf limo/kid-hauler today....but by time CS/Panam launch, S-Class will have undergone its mid-cycle tech updates...and AMG will have retired the elderly, heavy 65 motor w/a latest-tech V12 motor....
Also, my anecdotal sense (mfr warranty repair costs are only hard data to confirm) is that MB's S- and CL-Class are highest-quality/most reliable cars on mkt today, despite their class-leading tech intensity
Until BMW and P show ability to engineer robust, latest-tech cars, warranty costs and lemon-law buyback costs (esp in US) may further pressure BMW and P profit margins (the profit-impacting quality/reliability issues MB grappled w/until its impressive CY06 S-Class launch)....
Continually moving competing targets in a tech-intense auto industry w/limited-to-no ability to raise prices/lease terms, yet ever-shorter tech and fashion cycles (and FX issues vs dollar).....great times for car nuts/consumers...
CS is a CLS-styling knock-off....CLS launched some 3-4 yrs ago and is already a "has-been" among the peri-menopausal target buyers...
S65 is arguably leading perf limo/kid-hauler today....but by time CS/Panam launch, S-Class will have undergone its mid-cycle tech updates...and AMG will have retired the elderly, heavy 65 motor w/a latest-tech V12 motor....
Also, my anecdotal sense (mfr warranty repair costs are only hard data to confirm) is that MB's S- and CL-Class are highest-quality/most reliable cars on mkt today, despite their class-leading tech intensity
Until BMW and P show ability to engineer robust, latest-tech cars, warranty costs and lemon-law buyback costs (esp in US) may further pressure BMW and P profit margins (the profit-impacting quality/reliability issues MB grappled w/until its impressive CY06 S-Class launch)....
Continually moving competing targets in a tech-intense auto industry w/limited-to-no ability to raise prices/lease terms, yet ever-shorter tech and fashion cycles (and FX issues vs dollar).....great times for car nuts/consumers...
Re: BMW to build CS
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That's the most stunning car BMW has designed since the Z8.
A helluvalot more beautiful than what the Panamera promises to be.
Well said...but just how many trips to the "BMW Handler" will the owner go? How many millions of lines of software will be beta'd on first year owners and how many engine blocks (Z8 owners know this!) will prove to be..er "troublesome" ???
I submit that even a hoopty 67 912 targa with rusted floor pans, ghetto wheels and a picture of the Late Marcel Marceau decoupaged on the the hood is more..reliable(!) and engaging! than any product from the Quandt families BMZilla
money machine.
Id rather drive a horse towing a Panamera on runflats than drive any running BMW!
Any Porsche is better than any BMW! Period!
Re: BMW to build CS
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temm said:
Cool
So far the Concpet CS looks a million times better than the Panamera, but we'll have to wait for the final products come out. I hope they don't change much on the CS, it's looks fantastic the way it is.
And a CS with the rumoured 4.0 litre bi-turbo V8 (410 hp, and a mountain of torque) will be
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Dr. Phil said:
That's the most stunning car BMW has designed since the Z8.
A helluvalot more beautiful than what the Panamera promises to be.
I also agree with temm and doc.
BMW is really recovering from its bangle period and has a lot of great product.
Sep 29, 2007 2:31:40 PM
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