Sep 24, 2007 8:48:43 PM
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nberry said:
What kind a company would undercut its flagship car, the CGT, by building and selling a car (GT2) costing $250,000 less with the same performance parameters?
How does this make the owners of the CGT who have already suffered horrendous depreciation feel?
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nberry said:
The 575 was a GT car. Both the CGT and GT2 are strictly performance cars. The fact that CGT production stopped in 2006 should not allow Porsche to compromise its status one year later. Its nothing more than Porsche grabbing for dollars at the expense of its most loyal customer base.
One other point. If you believe the reputed production numbers, the GT2 will be more limited production than the CGT. Talk about adding insult to injury.
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MKSGR said:Quote:
nberry said:
What kind a company would undercut its flagship car, the CGT, by building and selling a car (GT2) costing $250,000 less with the same performance parameters?
How does this make the owners of the CGT who have already suffered horrendous depreciation feel?
Porsche claimed 7:28 for the CGT vs. 7:32 for the new GT2. Thus, there is a gap of 4s between the claimed times
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nberry said:
What kind a company would undercut its flagship car, the CGT, by building and selling a car (GT2) costing $250,000 less with the same performance parameters?
How does this make the owners of the CGT who have already suffered horrendous depreciation feel?
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MKSGR said:Quote:
nberry said:
The 575 was a GT car. Both the CGT and GT2 are strictly performance cars. The fact that CGT production stopped in 2006 should not allow Porsche to compromise its status one year later. Its nothing more than Porsche grabbing for dollars at the expense of its most loyal customer base.
One other point. If you believe the reputed production numbers, the GT2 will be more limited production than the CGT. Talk about adding insult to injury.
Porsche claimed 7:28 for the CGT vs. 7:32 for the new GT2. Thus, there is a gap of 4s between the claimed times
Sep 24, 2007 11:57:15 PM
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Whoopsy said:Quote:
nberry said:
A good car company with an eye towards the future and progress. If the current car cannot be cheaper and faster than a 3 yr old car, then we will all still be driving Model Ts.
Why is it that I just had to think about the 997TT while reading your post
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nberry said:
The official CGT time at the Ring is 7.32 the same as the GT2.
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nberry said:
What kind a company would undercut its flagship car, the CGT, by building and selling a car (GT2) costing $250,000 less with the same performance parameters?
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nberry said:
What kind a company would undercut its flagship car, the CGT, by building and selling a car (GT2) costing $250,000 less with the same performance parameters?
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ScottL said:Quote:
nberry said:
What kind a company would undercut its flagship car, the CGT, by building and selling a car (GT2) costing $250,000 less with the same performance parameters?
You mean like Ferrari have just done with the Scuderia outperforming the Enzo at Fiorano?
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Erik said:Quote:
nberry said:
What kind a company would undercut its flagship car, the CGT, by building and selling a car (GT2) costing $250,000 less with the same performance parameters?
Than you must obviously feel the same about the new Ferrari Scuderia performing better than the Enzo, as it's faster around Ferrari's Fiorano circuit don't ya know.
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TB993tt said:
My 2 pennyworth.......There is too much obsession with the NBR time being THE definative measure of a Porsche, to some it obviously is, but simply to evaluate the 997GT2 and the CGT based on this measure alone is IMO pretty stupid.
The CGT is a bespoke marvel, a CF exotic built using Porsche principles it is 100% bespoke, georgeous, intoxicating and to drive, it is quite frankly a beast.
Porsche have never before produced a road car with such torque available with this type of throttle response. Yes the 997GT2 will post fast or faster 0-300 times (my 11 y/o 993tt does that) but the power will not be as raw and brutal.
The 997GT2 is "just" a 996/997 even more finely honed, as is said the march of time (development) allows the engineers to make the GT2 close in lap times to the CGT but please they should not be spoken of in the same breath
IMO being able to buy a good second hand CGT for within Pounds100K (147Euro) makes the 997GT2 appear very expensive......
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Turbo Al said:Quote:
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Overall, I agree with this, with minor quibble-the GT2 is the torque monster versus the CGT (501 lb-ft in the GT2 versus 437 in the CGT) which helps explain the GT2's performance versus the CGT despite inferior peak HP in the GT2 (530 bhp) versus 605 in the CGT. Indeed, even the stock 996TTS has more peak torque (457) than does the CGT.
If you notice I purposely said "torque available with this type of throttle response"
It is the immediacy of the (5.7ls worth) torque delivery at all rpm which sets the CGT apart from all other Porsches.... I know about Porsche turbo torque, I run engine dyno 800NM (600lb/ft) in my 1450kg tt daily driver and whilst this makes for quicker "on paper" acceleration times people plainly mistake this for what the CGT can give you -The CGT is a beast