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Damn Porsche for this. However I do like the new tail lights but I have to agree with Nick only TT fans will notice the slight changes 
Sep 19, 2007 5:32:54 AM
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Re: 997TT Facelift
tsss...
please, just don't by one if you don't like it... I'm sure others will be happy to fill your place.
P is a company, they exist to make money for the company, not to make your last purchased car depreciate as slow as possible...
and if you don't like this, buy elsewhere, instead of nagging
congrats already 993S, a new F on belgian roads will make life much more beautiful
please, just don't by one if you don't like it... I'm sure others will be happy to fill your place.
P is a company, they exist to make money for the company, not to make your last purchased car depreciate as slow as possible...
and if you don't like this, buy elsewhere, instead of nagging
congrats already 993S, a new F on belgian roads will make life much more beautiful
Re: 997TT Facelift
Thanks Loe , sure will be a great feeling , my first Ferrari ever. I am a fairly patient man and the wait is very enjoyable. Easy for my as I have one of the best cars currently available , a turbo
However , I do not understand why you accuse anybody of nagging. I don't see anybody here doing it. The concerns people express are genuine and justified.
I remember you too sharing your frustration about ordering a '07 Carrera or wait for the facelift. After that you switched to the GT3 but still you get my drift.
I clearly feel the disappointment of someone who just dropped 150K for a dreamcar and in a short time his dreamcar will be "old news".
Remember the BMW M3 E46 , facelift came out of the Coupe but M3 kept the old styling. Did it hurt sales of M3 ? No not al all. Did anybody complain ? Not that I know of. I am 100% convinced that the turbo , GT2 do not need to change to keep selling well. On the other hand it frustrates current customers. It is not normal to facelift a car that is on the market for such a short time (extremely short for Cabrio and GT2)
For me I really do not care if there is a facelift or not. If the turbo 997 would have stayed the same throughout its lifecycle (like the previous ones) I would have kept in my collection. Now I will not and sell it when it is 3 years old (it is a company car and either I sell them on or they go to my private collection).
However , I do not understand why you accuse anybody of nagging. I don't see anybody here doing it. The concerns people express are genuine and justified.
I remember you too sharing your frustration about ordering a '07 Carrera or wait for the facelift. After that you switched to the GT3 but still you get my drift.
I clearly feel the disappointment of someone who just dropped 150K for a dreamcar and in a short time his dreamcar will be "old news".
Remember the BMW M3 E46 , facelift came out of the Coupe but M3 kept the old styling. Did it hurt sales of M3 ? No not al all. Did anybody complain ? Not that I know of. I am 100% convinced that the turbo , GT2 do not need to change to keep selling well. On the other hand it frustrates current customers. It is not normal to facelift a car that is on the market for such a short time (extremely short for Cabrio and GT2)
For me I really do not care if there is a facelift or not. If the turbo 997 would have stayed the same throughout its lifecycle (like the previous ones) I would have kept in my collection. Now I will not and sell it when it is 3 years old (it is a company car and either I sell them on or they go to my private collection).
Re: 997TT Facelift
naah, missed part of the discussion, last thing I read was:
quote "My end comment to Porsche: F*ck you " unquote.
I thought this was a bit nagging...
Although I can perfectly understand people being upset about the facelift, it's not like as some stated earlier that your current car becomes "outdated".
Indeed I was hesitating, and when really believe the facelift was a few months away, I would have waited. But once you take the plunge there no going back, and have a supposedly "outdated" body shell does not matter than anymore.
Re. GT2, I'm pretty sure they will not update the shell.
For all others, in a few months we're all buying the new LED lights (albeit the "old" shape lights
)...
Ps: here in B, is it also that difficult to get a hold of a F? Also have to rub the dealers back a lot?
quote "My end comment to Porsche: F*ck you " unquote.
I thought this was a bit nagging...
Although I can perfectly understand people being upset about the facelift, it's not like as some stated earlier that your current car becomes "outdated".
Indeed I was hesitating, and when really believe the facelift was a few months away, I would have waited. But once you take the plunge there no going back, and have a supposedly "outdated" body shell does not matter than anymore.
Re. GT2, I'm pretty sure they will not update the shell.
For all others, in a few months we're all buying the new LED lights (albeit the "old" shape lights
)...Ps: here in B, is it also that difficult to get a hold of a F? Also have to rub the dealers back a lot?
Re: 997TT Facelift
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993S said:
Are you going to postpone your order Kreso ?
I was convinced a turbo facelift would be impossible , logic dictated this if you consider GT2 and Cabrio release.
Apparently there is no logic anymore at Porsche.
No Dennis, what is done is done...
I fully agree with you-NO logic at all except new quest for money...
Ok. Now, do you plan to trade yours for facelift one next year?
One thing is for sure if you'll never be ahead when trying to time your Porsche purchase to get the most recent model/changes, they'll always win so it's no use trying. No matter how good you try and time your purchase to get the most recent they'll always have something new or changed to hook the next customer in line thinking he just got the newest. Try and get the new Turbo and they'll have a refresh. Try and get the refresh and by the time you take delivery it's even worse because the S is out, get the S and it becomes even worse because not only do you not have the latest in that model you have a previous model because you wont have the car 5 minutes before pictures of the 998 are out. You're best off getting a car and enjoying it longer then trying to wait and get anything in the latest version because it's only the latest for a hot 5 minutes.
Normally this would annoy me, having just ordered a Turbo Cabrio. but honestly glad I did now seeing the possible changes to rear. IMHO the car had a lot of screwy looking changes to the front especially but the rear of the turbo around the rear lights was probably the nicest change they made so to see them screw with that and fail (imo) makes me glad I'm going to get my car before the refresh ( Hopefully)..
Sep 19, 2007 2:27:48 PM
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Re: 997TT Facelift
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However I do like the new tail lights but I have to agree with Nick only TT fans will notice the slight changes
I've been staring at the stupid pictures for the last day now, and I have to say that I'm warming up to the new tailights. But I think Nick misinterprets probably 99% of the people here in that we don't care if OTHER PEOPLE notices the refresh/minor style tweaks. It's that WE care about it. I have to like the style before I buy it.
Just hope that little black stripe at the bottom of the taillights is camo. It's got to be.
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ps: Don't like the new rear tail lights at all. The LED's are going to be cool but the shape is awful imho. Weird, one of the best things about the exterior of the 997 they're going to screw up.
Yeah, I'm not crazy about the new tail lights. It's going to take getting use to. I wonder how the design of such things gets approved.
It looks like a forced change for the sake of a change rather than based on a design improvement. The Turbo is far from a beautiful car but the rear of the car where the wing, tail lights & rear deck lid, back bumper (above the exhaust outlets) meet is my favorite part of the car. imho they're screwing with one of the nicest parts of the turbo for the worse. These new lights look like someone left camo on the car.
Do you really want to say that the black part in the tail lights will still be there when the car comes to the customers?
I always thought this area will be red as in case of the new Cayenne tail lights?
No, but the extra slanty lines, the actual shape of the new taillight looks to me almost like the original design but with camo pieces slapped over it.
W/ the original lights their shape mimic the other shapes in the rear but w/ the new lights the cuts in the lights, the new lines come from no where.
Sep 19, 2007 3:08:04 PM
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Re: 997TT Facelift
i hope that is not the restyling of the Turbo..but a Turbo S mule with new bumper to fit PSE(Aka Gt2 exhaust,becouse this exhaust can't fit the current turbo bumper) and new taillights design becouse the car will come after the launch of the 997 restyling..
Hope that for Turbo and Turbo cabrio they change to Led lights with same shape of current one and they give a Led tail lights retrofit kit for us...
Mr Wiedeking listen me!!!!
Hope that for Turbo and Turbo cabrio they change to Led lights with same shape of current one and they give a Led tail lights retrofit kit for us...
Mr Wiedeking listen me!!!!
Sep 19, 2007 3:25:18 PM
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Suspect P has suddenly revised its 997TT 2.0 launch timing b/c of rumors of launch of Dino in '08....rumored 5-10K/yr Dino sales could easily destabilize global mkt for $150K+ cars, esp in context of a soft US high-end economy.....
Shrewd move to "preannounce"/leak rumors of 997TT 2.0 to put poss Dino buyers in more of a wait-and-see mode....sort of like "vaporware" games in the tech industry, no?
Shrewd move to "preannounce"/leak rumors of 997TT 2.0 to put poss Dino buyers in more of a wait-and-see mode....sort of like "vaporware" games in the tech industry, no?
Sep 19, 2007 3:29:36 PM
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Re: 997TT Facelift
yet again, the re-freshing of a design is, imo several steps backwards, glad mine dosent look like this... i wish their efforts were more engineering directed, turbo s, pdk, sports exhaust etc. etc....sadly time is being spent on abominations like the new "special edition" cayman offering black paint, a brief case and pen for 11k.
Re: 997TT Facelift
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naah, missed part of the discussion, last thing I read was:
quote "My end comment to Porsche: F*ck you " unquote.
I thought this was a bit nagging...
Although I can perfectly understand people being upset about the facelift, it's not like as some stated earlier that your current car becomes "outdated".
Indeed I was hesitating, and when really believe the facelift was a few months away, I would have waited. But once you take the plunge there no going back, and have a supposedly "outdated" body shell does not matter than anymore.
Re. GT2, I'm pretty sure they will not update the shell.
For all others, in a few months we're all buying the new LED lights (albeit the "old" shape lights
Ps: here in B, is it also that difficult to get a hold of a F? Also have to rub the dealers back a lot?
The 996 Turbo was never facelifted. It WAS the facelift and even if you bought the first Turbo in 2000, you had the 'current' model all the way until last year. Apparently not so with the 997 Turbo.
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Suspect P has suddenly revised its 997TT 2.0 launch timing b/c of rumors of launch of Dino in '08....rumored 5-10K/yr Dino sales could easily destabilize global mkt for $150K+ cars, esp in context of a soft US high-end economy.....
Shrewd move to "preannounce"/leak rumors of 997TT 2.0 to put poss Dino buyers in more of a wait-and-see mode....sort of like "vaporware" games in the tech industry, no?
This could make sense.
But a refresh of the GT2 or TT cab already so soon (ie MY 09)?
Re: 997TT Facelift
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loe said:
naah, missed part of the discussion, last thing I read was:
quote "My end comment to Porsche: F*ck you " unquote.
I thought this was a bit nagging...
Although I can perfectly understand people being upset about the facelift, it's not like as some stated earlier that your current car becomes "outdated".
Indeed I was hesitating, and when really believe the facelift was a few months away, I would have waited. But once you take the plunge there no going back, and have a supposedly "outdated" body shell does not matter than anymore.
Re. GT2, I'm pretty sure they will not update the shell.
For all others, in a few months we're all buying the new LED lights (albeit the "old" shape lights
Ps: here in B, is it also that difficult to get a hold of a F? Also have to rub the dealers back a lot?
The 996 Turbo was never facelifted. It WAS the facelift and even if you bought the first Turbo in 2000, you had the 'current' model all the way until last year. Apparently not so with the 997 Turbo.
If I am correct, you are not totally right since upon the 996 facelift the 996TT featured the glovebox also (which was part of the 986/996 facelift).
Re: 997TT Facelift
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WBH said:
Suspect P has suddenly revised its 997TT 2.0 launch timing b/c of rumors of launch of Dino in '08....rumored 5-10K/yr Dino sales could easily destabilize global mkt for $150K+ cars, esp in context of a soft US high-end economy.....
Shrewd move to "preannounce"/leak rumors of 997TT 2.0 to put poss Dino buyers in more of a wait-and-see mode....sort of like "vaporware" games in the tech industry, no?
This could make sense.
But a refresh of the GT2 or TT cab already so soon (ie MY 09)?
Indeed it would make sense, but on the German board RC stated otherwise, i.e. the led taillights were already ready upon the 997 TT launch but PAG stayed with the original design for mainly two reasons: 1) it would increase production costs 2) they didn't want to repeat the same mistake again (launching the 996 TT based on the then-upcoming 996 facelift design) because they realised the design novelty wore off by the time they released the 996 facelift.
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Crash said:Quote:
loe said:
naah, missed part of the discussion, last thing I read was:
quote "My end comment to Porsche: F*ck you " unquote.
I thought this was a bit nagging...
Although I can perfectly understand people being upset about the facelift, it's not like as some stated earlier that your current car becomes "outdated".
Indeed I was hesitating, and when really believe the facelift was a few months away, I would have waited. But once you take the plunge there no going back, and have a supposedly "outdated" body shell does not matter than anymore.
Re. GT2, I'm pretty sure they will not update the shell.
For all others, in a few months we're all buying the new LED lights (albeit the "old" shape lights
Ps: here in B, is it also that difficult to get a hold of a F? Also have to rub the dealers back a lot?
The 996 Turbo was never facelifted. It WAS the facelift and even if you bought the first Turbo in 2000, you had the 'current' model all the way until last year. Apparently not so with the 997 Turbo.
If I am correct, you are not totally right since upon the 996 facelift the 996TT featured the glovebox also (which was part of the 986/996 facelift).
Yes, from the 02 model year onwards. Which in turn made the car slightly heavier. However, such small additions aren't counted as revisions, more like standard improvements you see each year.
In that regard, the 03 with the new PCM could also be regarded as a facelift, but it wasn't
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Re: 997TT Facelift
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Indeed it would make sense, but on the German board RC stated otherwise, i.e. the led taillights were already ready upon the 997 TT launch but PAG stayed with the original design for mainly two reasons: 1) it would increase production costs 2) they didn't want to repeat the same mistake again (launching the 996 TT based on the then-upcoming 996 facelift design) because they realised the design novelty wore off by the time they released the 996 facelift.
This makes a lot of sense too, but then they should have introduced the TT cab and GT2 at least a year earlier then. Had they done that, I would be driving a 997TT cab now instead of getting an AMV8 roadster...
Sep 20, 2007 1:53:39 AM
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Re: 997TT Facelift
more photos on Car Magazine's website
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/secret_new_car.php?sid=1061&page=1
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/secret_new_car.php?sid=1061&page=1
Sep 20, 2007 2:48:12 AM
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more photos on Car Magazine's website
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/secret_new_car.php?sid=1061&page=1
Thanks!
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Well...if the facelift is coming so early...this means that i could put my hands on a 997TT a lot earlier than i was thinking before. That's the only good point.
The drawback is that Porsches will now be losing their value a lot faster than before. Bastards...
My God, you're right! That means that one could get a 2006 car for close to 100k EURO in a year or so
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Sep 20, 2007 9:18:14 AM
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silvershadow said:
Well...if the facelift is coming so early...this means that i could put my hands on a 997TT a lot earlier than i was thinking before. That's the only good point.
The drawback is that Porsches will now be losing their value a lot faster than before. Bastards...
My God, you're right! That means that one could get a 2006 car for close to 100k EURO in a year or so
yes
. At the moment it's already possible to find 997TT with 30K km on at 110k EURO so i think at april, after the facelift announcement, you will find the same cars around 90k: 
Sep 20, 2007 9:21:26 AM
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silvershadow said:Quote:
Crash said:Quote:
silvershadow said:
Well...if the facelift is coming so early...this means that i could put my hands on a 997TT a lot earlier than i was thinking before. That's the only good point.
The drawback is that Porsches will now be losing their value a lot faster than before. Bastards...
My God, you're right! That means that one could get a 2006 car for close to 100k EURO in a year or so
yes
Wow! That's it, for 90.000 Euro I will be definitely getting one
.
Sep 20, 2007 9:26:28 AM
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Crash said:Quote:
silvershadow said:Quote:
Crash said:Quote:
silvershadow said:
Well...if the facelift is coming so early...this means that i could put my hands on a 997TT a lot earlier than i was thinking before. That's the only good point.
The drawback is that Porsches will now be losing their value a lot faster than before. Bastards...
My God, you're right! That means that one could get a 2006 car for close to 100k EURO in a year or so
yes
Wow! That's it, for 90.000 Euro I will be definitely getting one
Me too. 90K euros will be inside my budget
Sep 20, 2007 9:45:05 AM
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silvershadow said:Quote:
Crash said:Quote:
silvershadow said:Quote:
Crash said:Quote:
silvershadow said:
Well...if the facelift is coming so early...this means that i could put my hands on a 997TT a lot earlier than i was thinking before. That's the only good point.
The drawback is that Porsches will now be losing their value a lot faster than before. Bastards...
My God, you're right! That means that one could get a 2006 car for close to 100k EURO in a year or so
yes
Wow! That's it, for 90.000 Euro I will be definitely getting one
Me too. 90K euros will be inside my budget
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