Sep 12, 2007 11:15:27 AM
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Sep 12, 2007 11:15:27 AM
Sep 12, 2007 12:23:12 PM
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KresoF1 said:
I can already tell you some little thing... Sport Auto Horst von Saurma will achive 7.3Xmin on the Ring without any problem. Issue 1/2008 or 2/2008...
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SciFrog said:
So now the real question is: can they fix what was messed up on the 997TT? I don't see how the 997GT2 can be 20s faster...
Sep 12, 2007 2:25:44 PM
Sep 12, 2007 2:37:40 PM
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KresoF1 said:
Markus,
Few things... 997 GT2 is developed with new Cup+ tires. RWD plus more agressive LSD and new SC/TC(Stability Control/Traction Control) offers amazing traction. 997 Turbo was on the other hand developed with several street only tires(Michelin Pilot Sport N1, Bridgestone Potenza RE050 N1 etc.) and when they put Cups from GT3 on it final track results were not that good(but, W.Rohrl really did mid 7.4Xmin with manual 997 Turbo with Cups).
AND you seems to forgot that 997 GT3 is the fastest car Sport Auto ever tested on WET handling track-with only RWD and Cups! Several seconds faster then 997 Turbo on the same wet handling track...
New 997 GT2 is IMHO ultimate sportscar(or ultimate second car)... There is just one question for future 997 GT2 owners-first car: Audi RS6 Avant or Porsche Cayenne GTS?
Sep 12, 2007 2:50:35 PM
Quote:It is not necessary to mention this. We all know your point of view. I am looking forward what you will post if HvS drives a 7.3x
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KresoF1 said:
I can already tell you some little thing... Sport Auto Horst von Saurma will achive 7.3Xmin on the Ring without any problem. Issue 1/2008 or 2/2008...
That sounds very promising Looks like the car might be worth buying... However, I have taken the decision to not order any Porsche before having seen the Supertest
Sep 12, 2007 3:39:51 PM
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turbosteff said:Quote:It is not necessary to mention this. We all know your point of view. I am looking forward what you will post if HvS drives a 7.3x
MKSGR said:Quote:
KresoF1 said:
I can already tell you some little thing... Sport Auto Horst von Saurma will achive 7.3Xmin on the Ring without any problem. Issue 1/2008 or 2/2008...
That sounds very promising Looks like the car might be worth buying... However, I have taken the decision to not order any Porsche before having seen the Supertest
Sep 12, 2007 3:42:42 PM
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MKSGR said:Quote:
turbosteff said:Quote:It is not necessary to mention this. We all know your point of view. I am looking forward what you will post if HvS drives a 7.3x
MKSGR said:Quote:
KresoF1 said:
I can already tell you some little thing... Sport Auto Horst von Saurma will achive 7.3Xmin on the Ring without any problem. Issue 1/2008 or 2/2008...
That sounds very promising Looks like the car might be worth buying... However, I have taken the decision to not order any Porsche before having seen the Supertest
Simple answer: if HvS does a sub-7:40 this result would (in my opinion) highlight the rather unfavourable results of the 997TT supertest again. Why? Simply reason. Just assume that HvS is within a 5-8s range compared to the officially claimed Porsche figures with nearly all Porsche cars (Carrera GT, GT3, GT3RS, 997, GT2 etc. etc.). However, he misses Porsche's 997TT claim by nearly 15s. What does that imply? In my opinion that would underline the relevance of the 997TT Supertest and would also confirm my suspicion regarding Porsche's 997TT performance claims.
BTW: if HvS does a below 7:40 time this would clearly highlight what a nice sportscar the new GT2 is Given our enthusiasm in the months before the first test reports on the 997TT and the disappointments that followed I, however, have learned to be cautious about the information available to date. In essence, the info is just based on what Porsche wants us to believe. We need independant verification before we get too excited.
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MKSGR said:Quote:
turbosteff said:Quote:It is not necessary to mention this. We all know your point of view. I am looking forward what you will post if HvS drives a 7.3x
MKSGR said:Quote:
KresoF1 said:
I can already tell you some little thing... Sport Auto Horst von Saurma will achive 7.3Xmin on the Ring without any problem. Issue 1/2008 or 2/2008...
That sounds very promising Looks like the car might be worth buying... However, I have taken the decision to not order any Porsche before having seen the Supertest
Simple answer: if HvS does a sub-7:40 this result would (in my opinion) highlight the rather unfavourable results of the 997TT supertest again. Why? Simply reason. Just assume that HvS is within a 5-8s range compared to the officially claimed Porsche figures with nearly all Porsche cars (Carrera GT, GT3, GT3RS, 997, GT2 etc. etc.). However, he misses Porsche's 997TT claim by nearly 15s. What does that imply? In my opinion that would underline the relevance of the 997TT Supertest and would also confirm my suspicion regarding Porsche's 997TT performance claims.
BTW: if HvS does a below 7:40 time this would clearly highlight what a nice sportscar the new GT2 is Given our enthusiasm in the months before the first test reports on the 997TT and the disappointments that followed I, however, have learned to be cautious about the information available to date. In essence, the info is just based on what Porsche wants us to believe. We need independant verification before we get too excited.
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WBH said:Quote:
MKSGR said:Quote:
turbosteff said:Quote:It is not necessary to mention this. We all know your point of view. I am looking forward what you will post if HvS drives a 7.3x
MKSGR said:Quote:
KresoF1 said:
I can already tell you some little thing... Sport Auto Horst von Saurma will achive 7.3Xmin on the Ring without any problem. Issue 1/2008 or 2/2008...
That sounds very promising Looks like the car might be worth buying... However, I have taken the decision to not order any Porsche before having seen the Supertest
Simple answer: if HvS does a sub-7:40 this result would (in my opinion) highlight the rather unfavourable results of the 997TT supertest again. Why? Simply reason. Just assume that HvS is within a 5-8s range compared to the officially claimed Porsche figures with nearly all Porsche cars (Carrera GT, GT3, GT3RS, 997, GT2 etc. etc.). However, he misses Porsche's 997TT claim by nearly 15s. What does that imply? In my opinion that would underline the relevance of the 997TT Supertest and would also confirm my suspicion regarding Porsche's 997TT performance claims.
BTW: if HvS does a below 7:40 time this would clearly highlight what a nice sportscar the new GT2 is Given our enthusiasm in the months before the first test reports on the 997TT and the disappointments that followed I, however, have learned to be cautious about the information available to date. In essence, the info is just based on what Porsche wants us to believe. We need independant verification before we get too excited.
MKSGR, when's your 599 due?
Looking fwd to upcoming data/impressions re: GT2 and Scud....not sure which will be more enjoyable/safe for use in public mtn twisties driving....esp how useable these nifty track-focused tires are on public roads which occasionally have wet/damp spots...and miscellaneous debris....and how compromised these chassis setups will be if one uses less track-focused, more public road-compatible perf tires like PZeroHero, etc...
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eclou said:
Still a 14 second gap between the 2. With the combination of 400lbs less weight, 325mm vs 305mm rear tires, aggressive alignment and ride height I can believe a 1.x second per mile difference.
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MKSGR said:
Next Feb or March
(The GT2 might complement the 599 well, don't you think. Thinking of track usage...)
So you're going to take both?