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Ron (Houston)
Re: Piech would be the perfect CEO...
i would suggest that any new porsche CEO candidate has to present a paper with 5 instant actions he/she will take when in charge. than the registered users of rennteam will vote!
and here are my five points:
* can the cayenne, sell the technology to VW as a kind of "touareg R" model
* offer F1 transmission
* offer a weight-reduced 911 RS and a turbo RS, with carbon hood and roof etc.
* next carrera 400 PS, turbo 550 PS (otherwise the S 600 will be a pain in the ass)
* install a 24 hour road assistance service
so guys, VOTE FOR ME!!
and here are my five points:
* can the cayenne, sell the technology to VW as a kind of "touareg R" model
* offer F1 transmission
* offer a weight-reduced 911 RS and a turbo RS, with carbon hood and roof etc.
* next carrera 400 PS, turbo 550 PS (otherwise the S 600 will be a pain in the ass)
* install a 24 hour road assistance service
so guys, VOTE FOR ME!!
Re: According to zzboba...
...an ordinary five speed automatic transmission [even when it's called tiptronic] makes no sense connected to a high-revs sports engine
even if current F1 systems are far from perfect, it would be a step forward in a sense of "emotion" and i bet a lot of customers would order it.
even if current F1 systems are far from perfect, it would be a step forward in a sense of "emotion" and i bet a lot of customers would order it.
Re: According to zzboba...
Who the hell would order Tiptronic? I won't. The Tiptronic is a normal automatic transmission bought from Mercedes.
I don't see any advantage in a sequential shifting system. BMW seems to have learned that lesson and Ferrari sells F1 only because of their Formula One reputation (dozens of little Schumis out there using F1 in their Modena and Maranello
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I don't see any advantage in a sequential shifting system. BMW seems to have learned that lesson and Ferrari sells F1 only because of their Formula One reputation (dozens of little Schumis out there using F1 in their Modena and Maranello
).
Re: According to zzboba...
I'm not a fan of sequential boxes myself, but I think that instead of giving the option of a Tiptronic as it is in the current range a clutchless manual would suit the character of a 911 better.
I really like the idea of resurrecting the RS name, maybe just for a naturally aspirated model that would make extensive use of carbonfibre and other lightweight materials to keep the weight at around 1250-1300 kg, with a great sounding engine and an uncompromising suspension set up.They could keep the current GT models and make this one a limited edition (even if it means a hefty price tag...).
One point that would be in my list as a possible CEO would have to be the development of an aluminum chassis for the 911, like the Modena's.As Ferrari showed it is possible to do it without loosing money(they do it on even lower production numbers!!!).Considering the more compact dimensions of the 911, we could be looking at a new 997 0r 998 Turbo weighing around 1320-1350 kg.With all modern safety requirements!!!
I really like the idea of resurrecting the RS name, maybe just for a naturally aspirated model that would make extensive use of carbonfibre and other lightweight materials to keep the weight at around 1250-1300 kg, with a great sounding engine and an uncompromising suspension set up.They could keep the current GT models and make this one a limited edition (even if it means a hefty price tag...).
One point that would be in my list as a possible CEO would have to be the development of an aluminum chassis for the 911, like the Modena's.As Ferrari showed it is possible to do it without loosing money(they do it on even lower production numbers!!!).Considering the more compact dimensions of the 911, we could be looking at a new 997 0r 998 Turbo weighing around 1320-1350 kg.With all modern safety requirements!!!
Luigi...
The problem is, that customers who order Tiptronic wouldn't order a F1 system. They love automatic and most customers (which some exceptions) know exactly that Tiptronic is only a nice word for "ordinary automatic tranny". Most Tiptronic drivers I know even never use the buttons on the steering wheel because the automatic works perfect.
I agree regarding the weight but it would imply a lot of cost to lower weightl. I think we should happy if car manufacturers are able to maintain weight.
Most Tiptronic drivers I know even never use the buttons on the steering wheel because the automatic works perfect.I agree regarding the weight but it would imply a lot of cost to lower weightl. I think we should happy if car manufacturers are able to maintain weight.
If I am not mistaken,.......
Porsche designed the "Tiptronic". I would find it very hard for them to use the F1 box in their cars irrespective of how good it eventually gets.
Right now, IMHO, the F1 box is still a gimmick for road cars unless you are using maximum rev gearchages, which for the track is fine. Also I read a while back in an UK magazine of a comparison between two M3 one manual and one SMG, the gearchanges on the manual and 0-60mph times were faster.
To be honest nothing beats the satisfaction and feel good factor of a well executed 5th or 4th to 2nd gear, double de-clutch, heel and toe downchange under threshold braking. Thats what driving is about.
Gavin
Right now, IMHO, the F1 box is still a gimmick for road cars unless you are using maximum rev gearchages, which for the track is fine. Also I read a while back in an UK magazine of a comparison between two M3 one manual and one SMG, the gearchanges on the manual and 0-60mph times were faster.
To be honest nothing beats the satisfaction and feel good factor of a well executed 5th or 4th to 2nd gear, double de-clutch, heel and toe downchange under threshold braking. Thats what driving is about.
Gavin
Re: According to zzboba...
what do you mean by "BMW seems to have learned that lesson..."?
according to autospies, Rolf Scheibner, M cars product manager, says SMG shifting system will soon be the ONLY tranny on all M cars, including next gen M5. Basically says it's better for engine, clutch and transmission.
according to autospies, Rolf Scheibner, M cars product manager, says SMG shifting system will soon be the ONLY tranny on all M cars, including next gen M5. Basically says it's better for engine, clutch and transmission.
Re: According to zzboba...
Hi,
well I also didn't like the SMG on the E36 but I think the SMGII on the E46 is perfect. It's a lot better than the F1 gearbox that comes with the Ferrari. In fact I'm quite sure that SMGII is shifting gears a lot more precise than most human beings can do. Most people don't even know how to tip-toe ...
Cheers
Thomas
well I also didn't like the SMG on the E36 but I think the SMGII on the E46 is perfect. It's a lot better than the F1 gearbox that comes with the Ferrari. In fact I'm quite sure that SMGII is shifting gears a lot more precise than most human beings can do. Most people don't even know how to tip-toe ...
Cheers
Thomas
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