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nberry said:
BTW performance at the level of Ferrari or TT,GT2, GT3 is irrelevant for public driving. If you get your jollies off knowing the GT2 does the Ring in 7.31 have the time stenciled on your windshield. See how many people are impressed.
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Those who know cars know speed is not what a car is all about.
I guess most sportscar lovers can agree with that, but it seems (judging from your statement in bold letters) that for you it's all about: look I can afford an F-car, my neighbour in the P can't
Though I agree with you, that for driving in real world conditions NBR-times are irrelevant. W. Röhrl, commenting on the performance of the CGT said: every owner who is sane in his head will use max. 50% of the car's capabilities on public roads.
Hence the buying decision for 99% of the buyers (maybe except hardcore track junkies) is based on other facts - IMO primarily on how well the entire package fits the owners feeling of driving pleasure and driving skills (both very subjective parameters).
Having said that, NBR-times still are an important indicator about any car's performance - of course no mortal driver is able to fully use this capabilities, but they may think: my car would, if I couldThose NBR-numbers are good for the carmakers' marketing departments as well for the ego of some owners
My point is that those of us who own Ferrari's can easily own Porsche's. We choose not to.
Aug 8, 2007 1:08:14 AM
Aug 8, 2007 2:51:18 AM
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SrfCity said:
Can you say projection? P and F ownership is the best of both worlds
P for during the week, F for during the weekend.
SrfCty, I thought you sold your 997S. If so, are you getting another Porsche soon?
Aug 8, 2007 6:03:22 AM
Aug 8, 2007 2:26:27 PM
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Can you say projection? P and F ownership is the best of both worlds
P for during the week, F for during the weekend.
SrfCty, I thought you sold your 997S. If so, are you getting another Porsche soon?
Correct, but then bought a GT3 a few months back
Didn't hear a word about this. 
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ALL FERRARI OWNERS CAN AFFORD TO BUY A PORSCHE IF THEY CHOSE TO DO SO. HOWEVER, NOT ALL PORSCHE OWNERS CAN AFFORD TO BUY A FERRARI EVEN IF THEY WANTED ONE!
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nberry said:
It has nothing to do with ego. My daily drive car is a Mini. Most on this forum drive their PORSCHE'S to work. I have one question for you to answer.
WHO HAS THE EGO? THE PERSON WHO DRIVES AN UNASSUMING CAR ON A DAILY BASIS DESPITE OWNING THE MOST COVETED CAR IN THE WORLD OR THE PERSON THAT DRIVES A HIGH PERFORMANCE PORSCHE ON A DAILY BASIS? TRY TO BE HONEST WITH YOUR RESPONSE. YOUR CREDIBILITY IS AT STAKE.
Regarding leaving myself open, your comments are not new but nevertheless as humorous. However, I will acknowledge that some Porsche owners could afford a 20 year old Ferrari but my discussion was based on new Ferrari's.
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It has nothing to do with ego. My daily drive car is a Mini. Most on this forum drive their PORSCHE'S to work. I have one question for you to answer.
WHO HAS THE EGO? THE PERSON WHO DRIVES AN UNASSUMING CAR ON A DAILY BASIS DESPITE OWNING THE MOST COVETED CAR IN THE WORLD OR THE PERSON THAT DRIVES A HIGH PERFORMANCE PORSCHE ON A DAILY BASIS? TRY TO BE HONEST WITH YOUR RESPONSE. YOUR CREDIBILITY IS AT STAKE.
Regarding leaving myself open, your comments are not new but nevertheless as humorous. However, I will acknowledge that some Porsche owners could afford a 20 year old Ferrari but my discussion was based on new Ferrari's.
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nberry said:
It has nothing to do with ego. My daily drive car is a Mini. Most on this forum drive their PORSCHE'S to work. I have one question for you to answer.
WHO HAS THE EGO? THE PERSON WHO DRIVES AN UNASSUMING CAR ON A DAILY BASIS DESPITE OWNING THE MOST COVETED CAR IN THE WORLD OR THE PERSON THAT DRIVES A HIGH PERFORMANCE PORSCHE ON A DAILY BASIS? TRY TO BE HONEST WITH YOUR RESPONSE. YOUR CREDIBILITY IS AT STAKE.
Regarding leaving myself open, your comments are not new but nevertheless as humorous. However, I will acknowledge that some Porsche owners could afford a 20 year old Ferrari but my discussion was based on new Ferrari's.
You didn't say NEW ferrari, you just said ferrari.
How is driving a porsche to work egotistical?
Telling people you drive a mini to work despite owning the "most coveted car in the world" (your opinion) is egotistical.
I would think that if most car enthusiasts were asked which car is the most coveted, I bet I would hear something along the lines of the Veyron
Keep em' coming nick
By the way, I hope your not a "defense" lawyer
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" people who can afford a 911 Turbo can easily afford a ferrari as well.....it's other reasons that make one opt for one marque rather than the other... "
Not in the US. A Ferrari is usually 30 to 50% more costly than the base 997TT.
Aug 9, 2007 6:46:23 AM
Aug 9, 2007 7:41:31 AM
) seem to drive CL some 80-90% of time, both on wkdays and wkends....
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Would guess that, even in the powerful SF/Greenwich/BevHills mkts, there are perhaps only 10-15 guys in each region who consistently get both a new 599 and 65-equivalent every 6-12mos for commuting and wkends....1000's of guys in SF/NYC/LA could easily afford to commute via <1yo 599/65, but 95%++ of guys w/needed resources aren't car guys....
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WBH said:
Would guess that, even in the powerful SF/Greenwich/BevHills mkts, there are perhaps only 10-15 guys in each region who consistently get both a new 599 and 65-equivalent every 6-12mos for commuting and wkends....1000's of guys in SF/NYC/LA could easily afford to commute via <1yo 599/65, but 95%++ of guys w/needed resources aren't car guys....
Interesting that car nuts in your area tend to swap their cars that often. Based on my experience one can be happy if a new car has no serious bugs. If a car is flawless I would be quite reluctant to give it away after 6-12 months already
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nberry said:
" people who can afford a 911 Turbo can easily afford a ferrari as well.....it's other reasons that make one opt for one marque rather than the other... "
Not in the US. A Ferrari is usually 30 to 50% more costly than the base 997TT.
Who cares about the price, what matters is 1/2/3 years depreciation.
So ANY new Porsche owner could buy a new Ferrari at MSRP considering the zero depreciation of Fs...
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I own an F430 Spider, Twin Turbo, Phantom and Quattroporte. I am so egotistical that I drive all 4 cars to work...sometimes all on the same day
But let's be honest. A brand new TT cab costs ~140K whereas a brand new F430 Spider costs ~350K (the REAL market price). So you can buy 2 1/2 TT cabs for each F430 Spider, thus confirming nberry's argument. Here in Bev Hills, a Porsche is common as a Camry elsewhere whereas a Ferrari is still rare.
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Would guess that, even in the powerful SF/Greenwich/BevHills mkts, there are perhaps only 10-15 guys in each region who consistently get both a new 599 and 65-equivalent every 6-12mos for commuting and wkends....1000's of guys in SF/NYC/LA could easily afford to commute via <1yo 599/65, but 95%++ of guys w/needed resources aren't car guys....
Interesting that car nuts in your area tend to swap their cars that often. Based on my experience one can be happy if a new car has no serious bugs. If a car is flawless I would be quite reluctant to give it away after 6-12 months already
Agreed. Did you know that Russians prefer to buy used Volgas (brand of car) to new ones, because the used ones usually have all the bugs sorted out already?
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Rossi said:
Fchat is great for getting the newest information about Ferrari, no doubt about it. And there are also some very interesting and well informed people there. But it seems as if all other cars that don't have the prancing horse on the bonnet are only second class in that community.
We don't have such problems at rennteam, that's why I like that forum so much. Sure, the main subjects are about Porsche and sometimes, but only very, very rarely some Porsche-die-hard feels the need to defend the reputation of Stuttgart Zuffenhausen, especially when some strange user with an even more strange bouncing Italian stallion in the avatar dare to post at the 997tt forum.
But these problems are really negligible and that's what so great about rennteam: fair an objective discussions about all kind of sports cars.
Aug 9, 2007 9:51:32 PM
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