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    Revolutionary new engine concept from Mercedes

    Mercedes-Benz unveils DiesOtto - the "future of the gasoline engine"

    July 25, 2007

    Don't count out the petrol engine just yet according to motoring giant Mercedes-Benz, which has unveiled a new gasoline engine offering the high torque and fuel economy of a diesel together with extremely clean emissions. The company is highly optimistic, calling it "the future of the gasoline engine." The Mercedes-Benz DiesOtto powertrain is a further development of the spark-ignition engine and includes features such as direct gasoline injection, turbocharging, variable valve timing and variable compression and it will be used in conjunction with a hybrid integrated starter/generator module. At its core lies the controlled auto ignition, a highly efficient combustion process similar to that of a diesel. The result is an 1800cc four-cylinder motor producing 238 bhp (175 kW) with torque of 400 nm while delivering 6 l/100 km (47 UK mpg, 40 US mpg) in an S-class.

    Optimising the internal combustion engine is one of the milestones on the Mercedes-Benz roadmap for sustainable mobility.

    The company's powerful and economical BLUETEC diesel engine diesel has already been available in the US in the E-Class since 2006, and it will also become available in Europe from the end of this year.

    The E 300 BLUETEC will be by far the cleanest diesel in its class, and will meet the requirements of the EU5 exhaust emission standards in full.

    "Our next goal will now be to make the gasoline engine as economical as a diesel. All the preconditions for this are provided by our DiesOtto concept, which incorporates the foremost strengths of both the gasoline engine and diesel engine," says Prof. Dr. Herbert Kohler, Head of Group Research & Advanced Engineering Vehicle and Powertrain; Chief Environmental Officer of DaimlerChrysler.

    The result of this " marriage " is a four-cylinder unit with a displacement of just 1.8 litres, which combines the strengths of the low-emission gasoline engine with the fuel economy of a diesel.

    Despite its considerably reduced displacement - downsizing is one of the major factors for achieving a lower fuel consumption - this compact power unit delivers superior performance together with refinement at the level of the luxury class.

    An output of 175 kW/238 hp and a maximum torque of 400 newton metres are achieved together with the hybridisation a fuel consumption of less than six litres of gasoline per 100 kilometres. This figure by no means relates to a small or compact car, but to a vehicle the size of the current S-Class, with the level of comfort and safety that is typical of a Mercedes.

    " In line with the worldwide success of today's diesel engine, vehicles equipped with gasoline engines will continue to have a long-term attraction for many customers and in many markets. Accordingly we are giving our attention to both engine types - including a full hybrid option for diesel and gasoline vehicles, " says Prof. Kohler. Mercedes-Benz is working on its DiesOtto concept with corresponding emphasis.

    Its key technological features are as follows:

    * Downsizing with fewer cylinders and a smaller displacement * Turbocharging for superior performance * Direct gasoline injection as a further fuel economy measure * Controlled auto ignition, a combustion process similar to that of a diesel * Variable valve control * A variable compression ratio leading to even better fuel economy and, depending on customer needs and the type of operation, * A hybrid module with an integrated starter/generator, which makes the drive unit even more economical.

    When starting and under full load, the fuel/air mixture is ignited by a spark plug, as in a conventional spark-ignition engine (homogeneous combustion). The controlled auto ignition to which the DiesOtto automatically reverts within its working cycle occurs under partial load conditions, i.e. at low and medium engine speeds. The result is the very low nitrogen oxide emissions of homogeneous combustion at reduced reaction temperatures. All further emissions control in the DiesOtto engine is by means of a standard three-way catalytic converter. A highly efficient engine management and control system has also been realised to combine the individual sub-systems into a drive concept.

    The current prospects for the future of the internal combustion engine reveal its great potential, and show that the new drive concept is a feasible proposition in the mid-term according to Benz. Some of the intermediate solutions incorporated, e.g. direct gasoline injection, are already in series production at Mercedes-Benz. Others will be gradually integrated into series-production engines until the overall solution has been realised.

    Re: Revolutionary new engine concept from Mercedes

    I'm excited to see how Mercedes engineers have accomplished the "variable compression ratio" feature. The concept of moving in and out of compression ignition via compression ratio modulation seems theoretically plausible with only the mechanical implementation as the challenge. I can't wait to see some drawings or, better yet, an animation of this feature in action.

    Re: Revolutionary new engine concept from Mercedes

    Damn humans!

    They really start looking into finding solutions of a problem (this time even more fuel efficient engines) only after the sh1t hits the fan (the climate change).

    Re: Revolutionary new engine concept from Mercedes

    The damn humans have NOTHING to do with the weather.

    Mercedes is merely offering good, innovative engineering in the face of rising petroleum costs.

    Re: Revolutionary new engine concept from Mercedes

    With regards to the ''variable compression ratio'' it will probably have some electro mechanical piston which is screwed in to the head rather like a spark plug and based on the design of the combustion chamber it moves up and down to adjust the compression ratio.

    Or i soppose there could be an electro mechanical valve (rather like an injector) but which measures the compression ratio and may release compression to adjust the ratio and recirculate it back into the inlet, and it may also add more air to high the ratio.

    Just my theory on how variable compression may work..
    It will be rather funny if i'm right about how it works.

    I should have drawn some specs and patented this and got rich, oh well i've got plenty more of ideas in my head...

    Re: Revolutionary new engine concept from Mercedes

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    W8MM said:
    The damn humans have NOTHING to do with the weather.



    Well,there are many of the most brilliant scientists that don't agree with you...

    And even if we don't have nothing to do with the climate change,that still doesn't mean we shouldn't start to pollute less.

    Re: Revolutionary new engine concept from Mercedes

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    Walter said:And even if we don't have nothing to do with the climate change,that still doesn't mean we shouldn't start to pollute less.



    This is something upon which we can agree

    As long as you don't regard CO2 as a polutant. After all, YOU emit CO2

    Re: Revolutionary new engine concept from Mercedes

    Quote:
    Walter said:
    Quote:
    W8MM said:
    The damn humans have NOTHING to do with the weather.




    And even if we don't have nothing to do with the climate change,that still doesn't mean we shouldn't start to pollute less.




    +1

    Exactly my view too.

    Re: Revolutionary new engine concept from Mercedes

    Interesting technology, although it reamins to been seen if anyone would want to drive around in a Mercedes S180

    Re: Revolutionary new engine concept from Mercedes

    "Interesting technology, although it reamins to been seen if anyone would want to drive around in a Mercedes S180 "

    temm's quote: that's soooooo funny!


    Re: Revolutionary new engine concept from Mercedes

    Guys lets not start a global warming debate here. Please.
    That was not my intention.

    Probably the European Union financial policy is the real "engine" behind all this new wave of engineering (less fuel consumption, less CO2, whatever).

    What I meant is that "the damn humans" are always preferring to react instead of planning. Just my two cents.

    Re: Revolutionary new engine concept from Mercedes

    P.S. Anyway, I hardly see this engine tech as "revolutionary". It's just an optimization.

    Re: Revolutionary new engine concept from Mercedes

    Variable compression ratio could be achieved by controlling the combustion chambers "burn center" using other than mechanical means, ie - forcing in air at certain speeds and patterns into the combustion chambers at certain rates to achieve differing compression ratios. That has never been done in a controlled dynamic manner. Dynamic control of fuel, exhaust and intake has been achieved, but not dynamic control of the combustion profile and the compression ratio.

    So if they have achieved that, it is a breakthrough in thermal efficiency. The claimed output points to that as a given.

    Congratulations Mercedes

    Re: Revolutionary new engine concept from Mercedes

    Well Mercedes is at it again.
    They did also invent the most enivronmentally friendly car back in the 70's with the 300D and now this.

    For those who are wondering how a 300D can be more enivronmentally friendly than a new car here is why.

    The 1970 300D's (aka Beirut Taxi) are still running today. Think about that. That's 37 years. As an alternative assume that normal people replace their cars every 5 years - thats 7 cars ( and thats being generous, most popular leases are 3 year leases that would be 12! cars). Imagine all the energy wasted in manufacturing those 7 cars, plastics, steel, paper, electricity, natural gas, imagine all the emmissions that were part of the entire process of manufacturing 7 cars and compare it to the energy used to make that 1970 300D that is still running today.

    That is where the change needs to take place, we need to stop buying a new car every 3 years.

    Honestly, the combustion engine is really a small polluter when you look at everything. A Hybrid, Ethanol (major energy waster), Hydrogen, or Electric car isn't going to make a hill of beans difference if the majority of electrical plants and steel plants are still running predominantly on coal fired furnaces (particularily in the US).
    All of this global warming is political propaganda. Yes it needs to be addressed, but addressing it with Hybrids and Ethanol is just wasting more energy while the politicians try to look good in front of a poorly educated public.

    Re: Revolutionary new engine concept from Mercedes

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    RR4 said:
    Well Mercedes is at it again.
    They did also invent the most enivronmentally friendly car back in the 70's with the 300D and now this.

    For those who are wondering how a 300D can be more enivronmentally friendly than a new car here is why.

    The 1970 300D's (aka Beirut Taxi) are still running today. Think about that. That's 37 years. As an alternative assume that normal people replace their cars every 5 years - thats 7 cars ( and thats being generous, most popular leases are 3 year leases that would be 12! cars). Imagine all the energy wasted in manufacturing those 7 cars, plastics, steel, paper, electricity, natural gas, imagine all the emmissions that were part of the entire process of manufacturing 7 cars and compare it to the energy used to make that 1970 300D that is still running today.

    That is where the change needs to take place, we need to stop buying a new car every 3 years.

    Honestly, the combustion engine is really a small polluter when you look at everything. A Hybrid, Ethanol (major energy waster), Hydrogen, or Electric car isn't going to make a hill of beans difference if the majority of electrical plants and steel plants are still running predominantly on coal fired furnaces (particularily in the US).
    All of this global warming is political propaganda. Yes it needs to be addressed, but addressing it with Hybrids and Ethanol is just wasting more energy while the politicians try to look good in front of a poorly educated public.




    Issue is perhaps more complicated than just fuel economy/less freq car buying....agree, most of the debate is political nonsense driven by guys w/limited understanding of finance/engineering/risk/rounding-error, etc....

    What is relative active/passive safety of a >3yo car (consider decay curve/obsolescence of various safety systems)? What is relative active/passive safety of many so-called economy cars (or 6000lb SUVs ) vs a new S63? And what are likely increased healthcare costs (and carbon footprint)/lost worker productivity of increm injuries in crashes if safety is compromised?

    What are macroeconomic (and environmental) implics if affluent reduce consumption of goods?...poss increased unemployment in many industries dependent upon discretionary consumer consumption? Does higher unemployment/economic weakness lead to higher risk of socio-political instability/wars/terrorism...and a bigger carbon footprint?

    Should pleasure travel of any type (air/ground) be constrained/heavily taxed to reduce carbon footprint? What would unemployment implics be in many tourism-dpdt regions? Should people not be allowed to have pets and allowed no more than one kid, to reduce carbon footprint...and to reduce need for larger cars/SUVs?

    Doubt most of the vocal Prius proponents have really considered the many macro-issues around environmentalism....and, even if they did, struggle to develop any logical, constructive answers to a rather complex debate....

    Really difficult to take the Prius crowd very seriously....amusingly, SiliconValley has many Prius drivers and alleged environmentalists who also own large private planes like G550 for casual jaunts to one of their wkend houses.....doubt any Prius can help offset the carbon footprint of a G550 family plane used almost every wkend....but all that conspicuous consumption sure creates a lot of global jobs in a "workfare" sense....

    Re: Revolutionary new engine concept from Mercedes

    Quickest way to reduce carbon footprints/sili valley jet use/ fakeoid 599 and Prius owners is to turn the Justice Department and SEC on them en masse.

    Many CEOs on way to jail for insider trading/corporate misfeasance/theft/money laundering etc.. The more that go to jail, the better the environment will be... More should go and go soon!

    Re: Revolutionary new engine concept from Mercedes

    JimFlat6,

    Have you been experimenting with a new (pilfered) style book?

    Re: Revolutionary new engine concept from Mercedes

    Quote:
    JimFlat6 said:
    Quickest way to reduce carbon footprints/sili valley jet use/ fakeoid 599 and Prius owners is to turn the Justice Department and SEC on them en masse.

    Many CEOs on way to jail for insider trading/corporate misfeasance/theft/money laundering etc.. The more that go to jail, the better the environment will be... More should go and go soon!






    Oh well......

    Re: Revolutionary new engine concept from Mercedes

    Quote:
    W8MM said:
    JimFlat6,

    Have you been experimenting with a new (pilfered) style book?



    Is "style book" a new euphemism for .... ummm .... non-tobacco smoking materials?

    Re: Revolutionary new engine concept from Mercedes

    Moi? Pilfered style book? I was just being facetious..

    No THC products were used in the creation of any of my comments, not even one 12% Belgian beer!

    Billion dollar listed NYSE/NASDAQ corporations where execs backdate options, give themselves ridiculous loan and severance packages, bluff and lie to industry analysts,mis state earnings, mis state sales, gild their expenses,gift themselves leases of exotic cars, boats and homes and have their friends on each others compensation committees are all too common in "sili" valley and in the darkly stained financial bowels of Greenwich/NYC/London. I am not impressed by them at all or the objects they reward themselves with. A migrant lawn care guy in a '79 Datsun has more personal integrity!

    Its a very greasey world there!

    Re: Revolutionary new engine concept from Mercedes

    Quote:
    911digital said:
    Oh well......



    I love that movie! "Greed is good!"

    Re: Revolutionary new engine concept from Mercedes

    Quote:
    JimFlat6 said:
    A migrant lawn care guy in a '79 Datsun has more personal integrity!

    Its a very greasey world there!



    Jim, if you are in such a cynical mood shouldn't you be asking yourself if you'd want to trust your lawn to a guy whose other customers don't value highly enough for him to get himself out of a Datsun and into a Nissan?

     
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